They dissect how NBC has been subtly (and not so subtly) giving preferential treatment to Trump: giving him the kid's gloves treatment in interviews, giving him the first slot in shows before Clinton, and even how their comedy shows are geared towards validating Trump and attacking Clinton.
The flippant treatment of trump on Fallon pissed me off so much
And in retrospect that SNL invitation was bullshit. It's more horrifying now that he's the actual nominee
This is nothing, Fallon IIRC regularly has a cartoon Hillary on the show to act as a strawman to validate peoples negative perceptions of her by over exaggerating her perceptions of being false and other things. He is a fucking disgusting hack.
Actually, it's Colbert who does the cartoon candidates, and there's one for Trump, too. I mean, it's still shitty, but for awhile, it seemed Stephen was trying to play the "both sides are bad look at me being objective" game. Lately, he has given up and started channeling Jon Stewart.
I don't think he's trying to play the "both sides are the same" game so much as that he doesn't seem to like Clinton.
I'm not a Fallon fan, but I think criticizing him for attempting to entertain and be funny is kind of oversensitive.
I just think there is so much to be outraged about that actually matters that this doesn't raise my hackles at all. My hackles are low-ish.
Yeah I mean, he's a late night talk show host. Some of them are incisive and influential, some are complete fluff with nothing meaningful to say. He's never pretended to be anything other than the second, and expecting it now or any other time is kind of unrealistic.
I imagine the internal situation with Trump and NBC is extremely complex. I doubt there is much love for him among the talent and news teams, but The Apprentice is one of the network's biggest properties.
Would be shocked if there wasn't at least some faction in the network who realize the financial benefits to the network of rehabilitating Trump and that brand. That's not even considering the genuine allies Trump has certainly accrued in his many years working for the network.
They dissect how NBC has been subtly (and not so subtly) giving preferential treatment to Trump: giving him the kid's gloves treatment in interviews, giving him the first slot in shows before Clinton, and even how their comedy shows are geared towards validating Trump and attacking Clinton.
The flippant treatment of trump on Fallon pissed me off so much
And in retrospect that SNL invitation was bullshit. It's more horrifying now that he's the actual nominee
This is nothing, Fallon IIRC regularly has a cartoon Hillary on the show to act as a strawman to validate peoples negative perceptions of her by over exaggerating her perceptions of being false and other things. He is a fucking disgusting hack.
Actually, it's Colbert who does the cartoon candidates, and there's one for Trump, too. I mean, it's still shitty, but for awhile, it seemed Stephen was trying to play the "both sides are bad look at me being objective" game. Lately, he has given up and started channeling Jon Stewart.
I don't think he's trying to play the "both sides are the same" game so much as that he doesn't seem to like Clinton.
Sure, but as demonstrated by his show lately, he can not like someone and still understand how they are a 1000% better option. He's largely drifted away from being critical of Hillary, while every night he's blasting Trump.
I'm not a Fallon fan, but I think criticizing him for attempting to entertain and be funny is kind of oversensitive.
I just think there is so much to be outraged about that actually matters that this doesn't raise my hackles at all. My hackles are low-ish.
Actually, I think we can criticise him for attempting to entertain and be funny. Because he isn't.
But otherwise, complaining that a sideshow emcee didn't rake a fool over the coals is rather silly. I didn't watch either interview, but I doubt I'd have been surprised and any of it. He's just terrible, period.
Seth Meyers routinely incinerates Trump. Hes hard on Hilary but Ive yet to see him even humor emails or cancer bullshit.
Hes not getting huge ratings though.
Fallon got hit because days before Matt Lauer basically gave Trump a blowjob during what was supposed to be a roundtable about issues.
NBC definitely had a huge conflict of interest in regard to Trump and on top of that they cut him loose right before his so called rise to power. Now they are trying to repair that relationship
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I imagine the internal situation with Trump and NBC is extremely complex. I doubt there is much love for him among the talent and news teams, but The Apprentice is one of the network's biggest properties.
Would be shocked if there wasn't at least some faction in the network who realize the financial benefits to the network of rehabilitating Trump and that brand. That's not even considering the genuine allies Trump has certainly accrued in his many years working for the network.
Didn't they already boot Trump off the apprentice? I thought I heard Schwarzenegger was replacing him.
I'm not a Fallon fan, but I think criticizing him for attempting to entertain and be funny is kind of oversensitive.
I just think there is so much to be outraged about that actually matters that this doesn't raise my hackles at all. My hackles are low-ish.
Actually, I think we can criticise him for attempting to entertain and be funny. Because he isn't.
But otherwise, complaining that a sideshow emcee didn't rake a fool over the coals is rather silly. I didn't watch either interview, but I doubt I'd have been surprised and any of it. He's just terrible, period.
Yeah to be clear Fallon is an unfunny hack. But he's an unfunny hack that doesn't bear the responsibility of a typical political journalist.
They dissect how NBC has been subtly (and not so subtly) giving preferential treatment to Trump: giving him the kid's gloves treatment in interviews, giving him the first slot in shows before Clinton, and even how their comedy shows are geared towards validating Trump and attacking Clinton.
The flippant treatment of trump on Fallon pissed me off so much
And in retrospect that SNL invitation was bullshit. It's more horrifying now that he's the actual nominee
This is nothing, Fallon IIRC regularly has a cartoon Hillary on the show to act as a strawman to validate peoples negative perceptions of her by over exaggerating her perceptions of being false and other things. He is a fucking disgusting hack.
Actually, it's Colbert who does the cartoon candidates, and there's one for Trump, too. I mean, it's still shitty, but for awhile, it seemed Stephen was trying to play the "both sides are bad look at me being objective" game. Lately, he has given up and started channeling Jon Stewart.
I don't think he's trying to play the "both sides are the same" game so much as that he doesn't seem to like Clinton.
Sure, but as demonstrated by his show lately, he can not like someone and still understand how they are a 1000% better option. He's largely drifted away from being critical of Hillary, while every night he's blasting Trump.
I still remember when Comey's announcement thing came, he tore into her ridiculously harshly with just straight GOP nonsense about how she's the most untrustworthy person ever for it, which was incredibly bizarre to me.
Meanwhile, the President is speaking at the opening of the Museum of African-American History at the Smithsonian at the moment. About Jackson and Clay speaking at a slave auction block.
I don't care who you are, if you're normalizing a white supremacist, misogynistic wannabe dictator, go fuck yourself.
I don't know if I 100% agree with this. It's the primary voters who normalized Trump. Now that he's the nominee there's a certain amount of we have to play ball with that. The news media certainly has a very strong obligation to stand up to Trump, but I'm not sure that entertainment media does as well.
I don't care who you are, if you're normalizing a white supremacist, misogynistic wannabe dictator, go fuck yourself.
I don't know if I 100% agree with this. It's the primary voters who normalized Trump. Now that he's the nominee there's a certain amount of we have to play ball with that. The news media certainly has a very strong obligation to stand up to Trump, but I'm not sure that entertainment media does as well.
There's no obligation to have the presidential candidates on your show. Meyers has said that Trump can go fuck himself. That's correct.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
I don't care who you are, if you're normalizing a white supremacist, misogynistic wannabe dictator, go fuck yourself.
I don't know if I 100% agree with this. It's the primary voters who normalized Trump. Now that he's the nominee there's a certain amount of we have to play ball with that. The news media certainly has a very strong obligation to stand up to Trump, but I'm not sure that entertainment media does as well.
I think it's tempting to say this for fear of confronting just how god-damn awful the entire media apparatus of this country is at dealing with the Trump phenomenon and what it simultaneously says about large parts of the population as well.
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Jimmy Fallon is the Junior Jay Leno NBC always wanted.
Dude is never going to rock the boat. Ever. He's the ideal network stooge, and I think it was rather naive and unrealistic of us to expect anything else from Corpsing Jimmy Fallon.
Meh. Fallon and SNL are actually allowed to hide behind "for the ratings." Even if Trump is deplorable enough that they shouldn't, they are explicitly entertainment media, and their business is entertainment and ratings.
Had the news media been doing their job the whole time nobody would really care that Fallon didn't try to nail him. Jimmy Fallon isn't Matt Lauer and should not be expected to do Lauer's job, even if Lauer won't.
Now, granted, I don't watch Fallon, but I assume he's not trying to be the next Jon Stewart. If he is, then yeah he failed, but it's still not the same sin as those in the news media have committed.
Fallon's show is apolitical almost to a fault. They clearly made a decision that they're not going to so much as dip their toes in that water.
Helping to humanize Donald Trump by joking around with him, giving his hair a friendly tussle, is actively participating in making him more likeable and more likely to be elected President. Whether or not anybody has a "responsibility" to not do that strikes me as pretty irrelevant to my judgment that you're aiding and abetting a dangerous shitlord.
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I'm not a Fallon fan, but I think criticizing him for attempting to entertain and be funny is kind of oversensitive.
I just think there is so much to be outraged about that actually matters that this doesn't raise my hackles at all. My hackles are low-ish.
You know, it is this flippant attitude to entertainment (as if it could be completely isolated from society, and as if it can be harmless) that led a low-life, small-handed con man to become a symbol of good business to the mind of tens of millions of Americans
Helping to humanize Donald Trump by joking around with him, giving his hair a friendly tussle, is actively participating in making him more likeable and more likely to be elected President. Whether or not anybody has a "responsibility" to not do that strikes me as pretty irrelevant to my judgment that you're aiding and abetting a dangerous shitlord.
Not to mention at the same time giving lip service to that "Hillary is sick" conspiracy theory, to make her appear less presidential. His skit was not only designed to humanize and help Trump, it was also meant to hinder and discredit Clinton. He's anything but "apolitical".
and yes Cruz's move here made no sense, unless there is some backroom thing that happened that forced his hand. He was already free and clear of consequences for his actions at the convention, would have been able to keep on with his current life AND have the power of "I told you so" come 2020 season... he just gave up his best hand.
That's my bet. It's his last chance to stay relevant in the part going forward, in a Trump centric GOP.
I posted earlier an interesting analysis by pundit Ben Domenech:
Short version - the money people who backed Cruz (including looking to be literal Wall Street vampire Peter Thiel) are all firmly in Camp Trump. If he didn't make nice, he was looking at a lot of people wanting a Cruz skin rug in 2018.
I'm not a Fallon fan, but I think criticizing him for attempting to entertain and be funny is kind of oversensitive.
I just think there is so much to be outraged about that actually matters that this doesn't raise my hackles at all. My hackles are low-ish.
You know, it is this flippant attitude to entertainment (as if it could be completely isolated from society, and as if it can be harmless) that led a low-life, small-handed con man to become a symbol of good business to the mind of tens of millions of Americans
I don't think I was being flippant. I was directing my outrage towards what I consider worthy causes of it. Sure I think Fallon sucks and that he probably shouldn't invite Presidential candidates on his show if he doesn't want his show to be political. It's just that it's not a 10 on my meter. It's, like, a 3.
I will never understand the insistence that the sufficient level of outrage be displayed. I never once said I like Fallon or that what he did was awesome. Just that I won't be flipping out about it.
Someone fill me in on who Mark Cuban and Gennifer Flowers are and what row they are sitting in at?
Mark Cuban is a tech billionaire who has endorsed Clinton and enjoys trolling Trump. He owns the Dallas Mavericks and HD Net, and he's one of the stars of Shark Tank (American version of Dragon's Den). He's really a libertarian asshole, but doesn't like ignorant morons or racists.
Gennifer Flowers is one of the women Bill Clinton slept with during the Clinton marriage.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Someone fill me in on who Mark Cuban and Gennifer Flowers are and what row they are sitting in at?
Mark Cuban: billionaire from the Silicon Valley set, owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team, libertarian douche who, like most other actual billionaires with actual billions, thinks Trump is a clown.
Gennifer Flowers: had a confirmed long-running affair with Bill Clinton, was used as an attack during the 1992 election.
Meh. Fallon and SNL are actually allowed to hide behind "for the ratings." Even if Trump is deplorable enough that they shouldn't, they are explicitly entertainment media, and their business is entertainment and ratings.
Had the news media been doing their job the whole time nobody would really care that Fallon didn't try to nail him. Jimmy Fallon isn't Matt Lauer and should not be expected to do Lauer's job, even if Lauer won't.
Now, granted, I don't watch Fallon, but I assume he's not trying to be the next Jon Stewart. If he is, then yeah he failed, but it's still not the same sin as those in the news media have committed.
Fallon's show is apolitical almost to a fault. They clearly made a decision that they're not going to so much as dip their toes in that water.
What I usually take "apolitical" to mean is "unwilling to call out Republicans on their heinous, beyond the pale bigoted horseshit" because Republicans get their feathers ruffled easily and scream bias.
So would I, but it's almost a guarantee his response would be something about the "Clinton sold uranium to Russia" conspiracy theory.
That's ridiculous. Clinton would never give nuclear materials to the Russians.
However, I have video evidence showing her giving billions of dollars in aid to a mouse claiming to be the leader of an island nation that doesn't even exist.
Terrible vetting. Sad.
I'm not a Fallon fan, but I think criticizing him for attempting to entertain and be funny is kind of oversensitive.
I just think there is so much to be outraged about that actually matters that this doesn't raise my hackles at all. My hackles are low-ish.
You know, it is this flippant attitude to entertainment (as if it could be completely isolated from society, and as if it can be harmless) that led a low-life, small-handed con man to become a symbol of good business to the mind of tens of millions of Americans
I don't think I was being flippant. I was directing my outrage towards what I consider worthy causes of it. Sure I think Fallon sucks and that he probably shouldn't invite Presidential candidates on his show if he doesn't want his show to be political. It's just that it's not a 10 on my meter. It's, like, a 3.
I will never understand the insistence that the sufficient level of outrage be displayed. I never once said I like Fallon or that what he did was awesome. Just that I won't be flipping out about it.
Because it's a lot more serious than you think. Cracked did a piece worth reading about how NBC is tacitly supporting Trump for president, and they discuss this:
Also, think about the single moment that was used to promote each of the candidates' most recent drop-ins on The Tonight Show. The thing that you saw in the accompanying pictures under the headlines about each appearance the next day. For Trump, it was Fallon tousling his hair.
For Clinton, though, it was Fallon wearing a surgical mask.
That's a nod to the rumors about Clinton's health. They're both jokes, obviously, but only one of them is built on a premise that originated with pro-Trump conspiracy theorists online.
Fallon doing that normalizes both the view of Trump as harmless and the conspiracy theories about Clinton. And that is a fucking huge problem.
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I just think there is so much to be outraged about that actually matters that this doesn't raise my hackles at all. My hackles are low-ish.
I don't think he's trying to play the "both sides are the same" game so much as that he doesn't seem to like Clinton.
Yeah I mean, he's a late night talk show host. Some of them are incisive and influential, some are complete fluff with nothing meaningful to say. He's never pretended to be anything other than the second, and expecting it now or any other time is kind of unrealistic.
Would be shocked if there wasn't at least some faction in the network who realize the financial benefits to the network of rehabilitating Trump and that brand. That's not even considering the genuine allies Trump has certainly accrued in his many years working for the network.
Sure, but as demonstrated by his show lately, he can not like someone and still understand how they are a 1000% better option. He's largely drifted away from being critical of Hillary, while every night he's blasting Trump.
Actually, I think we can criticise him for attempting to entertain and be funny. Because he isn't.
But otherwise, complaining that a sideshow emcee didn't rake a fool over the coals is rather silly. I didn't watch either interview, but I doubt I'd have been surprised and any of it. He's just terrible, period.
Hes not getting huge ratings though.
Fallon got hit because days before Matt Lauer basically gave Trump a blowjob during what was supposed to be a roundtable about issues.
NBC definitely had a huge conflict of interest in regard to Trump and on top of that they cut him loose right before his so called rise to power. Now they are trying to repair that relationship
Because I can guarantee you a bunch of black dudes from Philly would have been really interesting to watch during that interview.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Didn't they already boot Trump off the apprentice? I thought I heard Schwarzenegger was replacing him.
Yeah to be clear Fallon is an unfunny hack. But he's an unfunny hack that doesn't bear the responsibility of a typical political journalist.
I still remember when Comey's announcement thing came, he tore into her ridiculously harshly with just straight GOP nonsense about how she's the most untrustworthy person ever for it, which was incredibly bizarre to me.
Yeah, if Fallon had David Duke on I would be pretty ticked off too.
I don't know if I 100% agree with this. It's the primary voters who normalized Trump. Now that he's the nominee there's a certain amount of we have to play ball with that. The news media certainly has a very strong obligation to stand up to Trump, but I'm not sure that entertainment media does as well.
There's no obligation to have the presidential candidates on your show. Meyers has said that Trump can go fuck himself. That's correct.
I think it's tempting to say this for fear of confronting just how god-damn awful the entire media apparatus of this country is at dealing with the Trump phenomenon and what it simultaneously says about large parts of the population as well.
Dude is never going to rock the boat. Ever. He's the ideal network stooge, and I think it was rather naive and unrealistic of us to expect anything else from Corpsing Jimmy Fallon.
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Fallon's show is apolitical almost to a fault. They clearly made a decision that they're not going to so much as dip their toes in that water.
You know, it is this flippant attitude to entertainment (as if it could be completely isolated from society, and as if it can be harmless) that led a low-life, small-handed con man to become a symbol of good business to the mind of tens of millions of Americans
Not to mention at the same time giving lip service to that "Hillary is sick" conspiracy theory, to make her appear less presidential. His skit was not only designed to humanize and help Trump, it was also meant to hinder and discredit Clinton. He's anything but "apolitical".
He had originally typed the name as "Jennifer Flowers."
Could he be easier to bait?
That's simply not how it works.
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Shit gets a little blurred when you factor in that Donald's celebrity exists outside of his political ambitions/campaign.
No, not really!
Especially since Donald Trump has a history of making everything about him into a political thing!
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Also, still amazed at how LOW Trump can get, like holy shit at the Gennifer Flowers tweet
I posted earlier an interesting analysis by pundit Ben Domenech:
Short version - the money people who backed Cruz (including looking to be literal Wall Street vampire Peter Thiel) are all firmly in Camp Trump. If he didn't make nice, he was looking at a lot of people wanting a Cruz skin rug in 2018.
I don't think I was being flippant. I was directing my outrage towards what I consider worthy causes of it. Sure I think Fallon sucks and that he probably shouldn't invite Presidential candidates on his show if he doesn't want his show to be political. It's just that it's not a 10 on my meter. It's, like, a 3.
I will never understand the insistence that the sufficient level of outrage be displayed. I never once said I like Fallon or that what he did was awesome. Just that I won't be flipping out about it.
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Mark Cuban is a very rich person who owns the Mavs
Mark Cuban is a tech billionaire who has endorsed Clinton and enjoys trolling Trump. He owns the Dallas Mavericks and HD Net, and he's one of the stars of Shark Tank (American version of Dragon's Den). He's really a libertarian asshole, but doesn't like ignorant morons or racists.
Gennifer Flowers is one of the women Bill Clinton slept with during the Clinton marriage.
Is he having the steak or the fish at her fundraisers?
I just want to know if I get to make a Cuban Gristle Crisis joke.
And successful sports owner. Also note that Trump remembered and hit Cuban for his failed Apprentice knock off. He's a creature of television.
Mark Cuban: billionaire from the Silicon Valley set, owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team, libertarian douche who, like most other actual billionaires with actual billions, thinks Trump is a clown.
Gennifer Flowers: had a confirmed long-running affair with Bill Clinton, was used as an attack during the 1992 election.
Donald Trump: forever an asshole.
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What I usually take "apolitical" to mean is "unwilling to call out Republicans on their heinous, beyond the pale bigoted horseshit" because Republicans get their feathers ruffled easily and scream bias.
However, I have video evidence showing her giving billions of dollars in aid to a mouse claiming to be the leader of an island nation that doesn't even exist.
Terrible vetting. Sad.
Because it's a lot more serious than you think. Cracked did a piece worth reading about how NBC is tacitly supporting Trump for president, and they discuss this:
Fallon doing that normalizes both the view of Trump as harmless and the conspiracy theories about Clinton. And that is a fucking huge problem.