I haven't heard from a single person irl on the right who is cool with the rhetoric from Trump.
Frankly..that's a load of bullshit; they're lying to themselves and/or to you. Republicans have, up until today, been perfectly fine with Trump's rhetoric. They've supported policies directly in line with it for nearly 4 decades. It just wasn't ever quite so..on the nose before..and that's their real problem. Instead of a vanilla, mostly harmless old white dude dropping platitudes with veiled meanings, it's a raging moron giving away the entire game and who's drawing a very harsh light to their rotten as fuck platform.
The same people holding their nose for trump will go right back to supporting the insanely regressive platform next round.
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The Republican party and nominee are where they are because they are only listening to their fringe. It's a sham of a party right now that does not represent the right that I know. And I'm from Alabama.
The only people on the right that I know irl that are gonna vote Trump think it's a necessary evil because of the Supreme Court nominations. The majority of them are not gonna vote Trump at all. I haven't heard from a single person irl on the right who is cool with the rhetoric from Trump.
And yet the vast majority of Republicans and Republican Leaning Independents will be voting/have voted for Trump.
Or at least it would have been had not Public Policy Polling, a North Carolina-based polling firm, brought it back to life. On Tuesday, PPP released a poll that, in addition to showing Clinton leading Trump in North Carolina for the first time since March, found that fully 41 percent of the state’s likely Trump voters believe the Democratic presidential nominee to be the literal incarnation of Satan. “Do you think Hillary Clinton is the Devil, or not?” read question 21 of PPP’s survey, which 830 hapless denizens of the Tar Heel State dutifully answered.
Aaron Black, an associate with Democracy Partners and a former Occupy Wall Street organizer, worked with the pro-Trump site Breitbart, tipping it off about his stunts, exchanging raw video and coordinating coverage, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation.
Black has resurfaced recently as one of the people featured in undercover video from the Project Veritas group. In the video, he claims to work for the Democratic National Committee. Though he does not appear on their payroll, his bio at Democracy Partners credits him with "working closely with the Democratic National Committee" during the 2012 election cycle. Black in the video says he helped organize violent protests in Chicago that led to Trump's cancellation of a rally there in March.
According to the source, Black coordinated with Breitbart via email, phone and in person, including when he dressed up as a robot and trolled Marco Rubio’s events. The relationship was described as very friendly. An article subsequently published on Breitbart featured video footage of a physical confrontation between Black and Rubio's New Hampshire campaign chairman.
"He worked directly with Breitbart’s political team on the ground in the primary states to sabotage Marco Rubio & Ted Cruz, and elect Trump as nominee of [the Republican] party,” the source told POLITICO. “[Black] was coordinating with [Breitbart’s] top staff to rabble rouse against Rubio at rallies."
That's just delicious.
This is the guy you chose. This guy, right here.
Nothing wrong with the party at all... newp, we're fine, everythings fine here now, how are you?
That's just delicious.
This is the guy you chose. This guy, right here.
Nothing wrong with the party at all... newp, we're fine, everythings fine here now, how are you?
The Republican party and nominee are where they are because they are only listening to their fringe. It's a sham of a party right now that does not represent the right that I know. And I'm from Alabama.
The only people on the right that I know irl that are gonna vote Trump think it's a necessary evil because of the Supreme Court nominations. The majority of them are not gonna vote Trump at all. I haven't heard from a single person irl on the right who is cool with the rhetoric from Trump.
And yet the vast majority of Republicans and Republican Leaning Independents will be voting/have voted for Trump.
Man the supreme court nominations thing pisses me right the hell off too. THAT'S NOT EVEN HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK, JUST GO CONFIRM GARLAND LIKE AN ACTUAL LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT WOULD.
I can only pray the fivethirtyeight forecast is right and we take the senate, because it is about damn time the GOP reaps what they've sown.
so... this is the same guy who used the same techniques to create the planned parenthood video, which seems like it at least helped encourage an act of domestic terrorism that resulted in several deaths?
so, there's a bunch of liberals here.
i am not the only one with a fair amount of anger and disgust that the right is supporting this person again, and spreading his now even more obvious lies, right? kinda ensuring that he will continue to make this stuff, which he is probably being compensated for, by members of the right.
Hearing the Keepin it 1600 guys talk about the Wikileaks email leak is really fascinating (particularly because Jon Lovett's emails are actually in the leak).
They've jokingly danced around it a couple times on the podcast, but it definitely sounds like all the emails are pretty much real and unaltered. At the same time, having actually worked in that environment they find it hilarious how sinisterly people try to spin what are actually totally innocuous emails.
Which episode?
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Or at least it would have been had not Public Policy Polling, a North Carolina-based polling firm, brought it back to life. On Tuesday, PPP released a poll that, in addition to showing Clinton leading Trump in North Carolina for the first time since March, found that fully 41 percent of the state’s likely Trump voters believe the Democratic presidential nominee to be the literal incarnation of Satan. “Do you think Hillary Clinton is the Devil, or not?” read question 21 of PPP’s survey, which 830 hapless denizens of the Tar Heel State dutifully answered.
I've acknowledged that non-violent protest has its place, but also pointed out that, imo, literal goading for the purposes and intent of causing violence isn't good.
Here's the thing, though - your opinion runs contrary to the historical record. One of the strongest ways that the civil rights movement shifted the public view in their favor was through the images of Bull Connor unleashing the firehoses and dogs on protestors who were only showing their organization in favor of civil rights. And the protestors knew that response was to be expected, which was part of why they did it. The point of going there and making themselves targets is to show how far gone Trump's base of support is - that they will respond to even the base demonstration of dissent with violence, which is inimical to democracy.
As for your right leaning friends upset about the "provocation" of violence, my point is that perhaps they should be asking themselves what it means when a faction sees peaceful protest as incitement to violence.
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I remain unconvinced that 41% of the people in that poll literally think Hillary is Satan, versus them being metaphorical, or just having funsies.
If I answered a survey that asked if Trump was the devil, I would be strongly tempted to say yes.
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The Republican party and nominee are where they are because they are only listening to their fringe. It's a sham of a party right now that does not represent the right that I know. And I'm from Alabama.
The only people on the right that I know irl that are gonna vote Trump think it's a necessary evil because of the Supreme Court nominations. The majority of them are not gonna vote Trump at all. I haven't heard from a single person irl on the right who is cool with the rhetoric from Trump.
And yet the vast majority of Republicans and Republican Leaning Independents will be voting/have voted for Trump.
Man the supreme court nominations thing pisses me right the hell off too. THAT'S NOT EVEN HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK, JUST GO CONFIRM GARLAND LIKE AN ACTUAL LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT WOULD.
I can only pray the fivethirtyeight forecast is right and we take the senate, because it is about damn time the GOP reaps what they've sown.
They think RBG doesn't have another 4-8 years left in her.
I do honestly wonder whether or not the GOP survives this election.
The demographics really don't look good for them: over time the country is only going to get more Democrat-leaning from here. I don't know what they do to grow their base without alienating the deplorables.
I do honestly wonder whether or not the GOP survives this election.
The demographics really don't look good for them: over time the country is only going to get more Democrat-leaning from here. I don't know what they do to grow their base without alienating the deplorables.
They'll be fine
They'll come back in 4 years with the exact same game plan as this year only more 'polite'
I remain unconvinced that 41% of the people in that poll literally think Hillary is Satan, versus them being metaphorical, or just having funsies.
If I answered a survey that asked if Trump was the devil, I would be strongly tempted to say yes.
Given the outsized proportion of Evangelicals in the subgroup of self identified Republicans, and after talking about weird stuff that friends grew up with on the far side of Christianity...I honestly don't know.
Side note, some of you Protestants are weird. Like the Church has its oddities, but damn.
Honestly, I think there may be a degree of talking past each other here. If you don't think that O'Keffe is a reputable source, than what exactly, is your argument here @ObiFett ? Are you just playing devil's advocate?
I remain unconvinced that 41% of the people in that poll literally think Hillary is Satan, versus them being metaphorical, or just having funsies.
If I answered a survey that asked if Trump was the devil, I would be strongly tempted to say yes.
I can say unequivocally that I would answer yes
There's temptation and then there's, "Well of course I'm going to do this thing"
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The republican party is going to have to very seriously reorganize their entire structure and platform to remain competitive on a presidential scale.
Or, continue in their current course but also find a fascist that's more palatable than Trump with less baggage and who is better able to cover the fascism with your standard politickin dogwhistle bullshit.
Oh my God! They're saying the Clinton campaign is responsible for that?! GodfuckingDAMMIT I would expect something like that from the Trump campaign but FFS the Clinton campaign should be better than that. They should know there's an apostrophe after that K!
Honestly, I think there may be a degree of talking past each other here. If you don't think that O'Keffe is a reputable source, than what exactly, is your argument here @ObiFett ? Are you just playing devil's advocate?
I do honestly wonder whether or not the GOP survives this election.
The demographics really don't look good for them: over time the country is only going to get more Democrat-leaning from here. I don't know what they do to grow their base without alienating the deplorables.
They'll be fine
They'll come back in 4 years with the exact same game plan as this year only more 'polite'
That's bad news for them, though. It's hard to tell this election because Trump is an unmitigated disaster, but the demographics are just plain starting to favor Democrats due to increasing latino population and a shift towards Democrat in the younger generations. If they just keep playing the same game they've been playing, they'll continue to lose presidential elections (though retain an advantage in local/midterms), and it only gets worse for them moving forward.
I remain unconvinced that 41% of the people in that poll literally think Hillary is Satan, versus them being metaphorical, or just having funsies.
If I answered a survey that asked if Trump was the devil, I would be strongly tempted to say yes.
Given the outsized proportion of Evangelicals in the subgroup of self identified Republicans, and after talking about weird stuff that friends grew up with on the far side of Christianity...I honestly don't know.
Side note, some of you Protestants are weird. Like the Church has its oddities, but damn.
I like being a weird Protestant. Somebody needs to be covertly liberal, slowly converting the younger ranks of the church towards progressive thinking.
Really though, I think the Protestants that are voting against helping people, radical love, acceptance, and voting for being wildly judgmental against genders, nationalities, ethnicities and sexual orientations are the ones that are weird. If you're a Christian and you vote for Trump you don't really get it, IMO.
I do honestly wonder whether or not the GOP survives this election.
The demographics really don't look good for them: over time the country is only going to get more Democrat-leaning from here. I don't know what they do to grow their base without alienating the deplorables.
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They'll be fine
They'll come back in 4 years with the exact same game plan as this year only more 'polite'
That's bad news for them, though. It's hard to tell this election because Trump is an unmitigated disaster, but the demographics are just plain starting to favor Democrats due to increasing latino population and a shift towards Democrat in the younger generations. If they just keep playing the same game they've been playing, they'll continue to lose presidential elections (though retain an advantage in local/midterms), and it only gets worse for them moving forward.
If they can retain local control through 2020 they can easily counteract demographics through policy long enough for the national party to find a message that resonates with non-deplorables without depressing their base.
The republican party is going to have to very seriously reorganize their entire structure and platform to remain competitive on a presidential scale.
Or, continue in their current course but also find a fascist that's more palatable than Trump with less baggage and who is better able to cover the fascism with your standard politickin dogwhistle bullshit.
I get the strong feeling that there is going to be a rebound against the whole fascism thing after Trump loses. If someone tries to run in the same manner but smarter I think it's possible you could sink him with Trump comparisons, definitely in the primary where the GOP establishment is going to be far more vigilant moving forward.
Looking at this from a political perspective, has there been any modern country that has successfully walked back certain rights after they've been won, without a revolution occurring beforehand?
Like, sure, Iran went super Theocracy, but it required a revolution and walked back a bunch of rights, but has any democracy ever done so? That's what I don't get about the conservative party and gay rights, abortion, etc. Like, I can't think of a single instance where the genie was put back in the lamp. About the only example I can actually think of is Duterte right now, but he's bypassed the democracy/legislation part completely and just gone full Stalin.
I do honestly wonder whether or not the GOP survives this election.
The demographics really don't look good for them: over time the country is only going to get more Democrat-leaning from here. I don't know what they do to grow their base without alienating the deplorables.
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They'll be fine
They'll come back in 4 years with the exact same game plan as this year only more 'polite'
That's bad news for them, though. It's hard to tell this election because Trump is an unmitigated disaster, but the demographics are just plain starting to favor Democrats due to increasing latino population and a shift towards Democrat in the younger generations. If they just keep playing the same game they've been playing, they'll continue to lose presidential elections (though retain an advantage in local/midterms), and it only gets worse for them moving forward.
If they can retain local control through 2020 they can easily counteract demographics through policy long enough for the national party to find a message that resonates with non-deplorables without depressing their base.
I shrug since I just don't see what that message is yet. Almost certainly, they'll have to move left somehow.
One thing that excited me was that apparently once he's out of a job Obama's going to shift his focus onto aggressive targeted redistricting campaigns that should help Dems with the local stuff.
The idea of an Obama unleashed from the presidency continues to hype me up. If there's anyone who can summon voters to polls, it's him. I hope he pushes the midterm elections as hard as possible.
I remain unconvinced that 41% of the people in that poll literally think Hillary is Satan, versus them being metaphorical, or just having funsies.
If I answered a survey that asked if Trump was the devil, I would be strongly tempted to say yes.
Given the outsized proportion of Evangelicals in the subgroup of self identified Republicans, and after talking about weird stuff that friends grew up with on the far side of Christianity...I honestly don't know.
Side note, some of you Protestants are weird. Like the Church has its oddities, but damn.
I like being a weird Protestant. Somebody needs to be covertly liberal, slowly converting the younger ranks of the church towards progressive thinking.
Really though, I think the Protestants that are voting against helping people, radical love, acceptance, and voting for being wildly judgmental against genders, nationalities, ethnicities and sexual orientations are the ones that are weird. If you're a Christian and you vote for Trump you don't really get it, IMO.
I'm meaning more weird like 'spiritual combat' where angels and demons "literally" battle each other over their ability to influence you throughout the day. Not just the banal 'The Pope is the Antichrist stuff.'
Looking at this from a political perspective, has there been any modern country that has successfully walked back certain rights after they've been won, without a revolution occurring beforehand?
Like, sure, Iran went super Theocracy, but it required a revolution and walked back a bunch of rights, but has any democracy ever done so? That's what I don't get about the conservative party and gay rights, abortion, etc. Like, I can't think of a single instance where the genie was put back in the lamp. About the only example I can actually think of is Duterte right now, but he's bypassed the democracy/legislation part completely and just gone full Stalin.
Yes, America and abortion rights. Access now is significantly worse than 10-15 years ago. Same with voting rights.*
E: Voting rights have improved in some areas thanks to improved early/mail-in voting, but been degraded significantly in other areas by striking down the VRA and voter-ID/registration purges.
I remain unconvinced that 41% of the people in that poll literally think Hillary is Satan, versus them being metaphorical, or just having funsies.
If I answered a survey that asked if Trump was the devil, I would be strongly tempted to say yes.
Given the outsized proportion of Evangelicals in the subgroup of self identified Republicans, and after talking about weird stuff that friends grew up with on the far side of Christianity...I honestly don't know.
Side note, some of you Protestants are weird. Like the Church has its oddities, but damn.
I like being a weird Protestant. Somebody needs to be covertly liberal, slowly converting the younger ranks of the church towards progressive thinking.
Really though, I think the Protestants that are voting against helping people, radical love, acceptance, and voting for being wildly judgmental against genders, nationalities, ethnicities and sexual orientations are the ones that are weird. If you're a Christian and you vote for Trump you don't really get it, IMO.
I'm meaning more weird like 'spiritual combat' where angels and demons "literally" battle each other over their ability to influence you throughout the day. Not just the banal 'The Pope is the Antichrist stuff.'
Oh my God! They're saying the Clinton campaign is responsible for that?! GodfuckingDAMMIT I would expect something like that from the Trump campaign but FFS the Clinton campaign should be better than that. They should know there's an apostrophe after that K!
What? Why would there be an apostrophe? They aren't saying "Donald Duck is releasing his tax returns." They saying that Donald (Trump) ducks (is avoiding) releasing his tax returns. It's just a pun.
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Frankly..that's a load of bullshit; they're lying to themselves and/or to you. Republicans have, up until today, been perfectly fine with Trump's rhetoric. They've supported policies directly in line with it for nearly 4 decades. It just wasn't ever quite so..on the nose before..and that's their real problem. Instead of a vanilla, mostly harmless old white dude dropping platitudes with veiled meanings, it's a raging moron giving away the entire game and who's drawing a very harsh light to their rotten as fuck platform.
The same people holding their nose for trump will go right back to supporting the insanely regressive platform next round.
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This is what happens when not only do you support a candidate, but you start taking legal advice from him.
how have I not seen this before
And yet the vast majority of Republicans and Republican Leaning Independents will be voting/have voted for Trump.
Why do they assume they're hapless?
I'm not thrilled by them, but I appreciate a fully staffed government more.
This is the guy you chose. This guy, right here.
Nothing wrong with the party at all... newp, we're fine, everythings fine here now, how are you?
I'm super, thanks for asking.
Man the supreme court nominations thing pisses me right the hell off too. THAT'S NOT EVEN HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK, JUST GO CONFIRM GARLAND LIKE AN ACTUAL LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT WOULD.
I can only pray the fivethirtyeight forecast is right and we take the senate, because it is about damn time the GOP reaps what they've sown.
so, there's a bunch of liberals here.
i am not the only one with a fair amount of anger and disgust that the right is supporting this person again, and spreading his now even more obvious lies, right? kinda ensuring that he will continue to make this stuff, which he is probably being compensated for, by members of the right.
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Most likely due to their extreme lack of hap.
Also, apropos of nothing, this: https://thinkprogress.org/trump-supporters-think-minorities-have-too-much-influence-polling-says-deplorable-151d0038b50a#.om9f7r5a6
Yeah yeah think progress is a totally liberal rag and all, but they cite polls and stuff.
Here's the thing, though - your opinion runs contrary to the historical record. One of the strongest ways that the civil rights movement shifted the public view in their favor was through the images of Bull Connor unleashing the firehoses and dogs on protestors who were only showing their organization in favor of civil rights. And the protestors knew that response was to be expected, which was part of why they did it. The point of going there and making themselves targets is to show how far gone Trump's base of support is - that they will respond to even the base demonstration of dissent with violence, which is inimical to democracy.
As for your right leaning friends upset about the "provocation" of violence, my point is that perhaps they should be asking themselves what it means when a faction sees peaceful protest as incitement to violence.
If I answered a survey that asked if Trump was the devil, I would be strongly tempted to say yes.
They think RBG doesn't have another 4-8 years left in her.
They're probably right.
The demographics really don't look good for them: over time the country is only going to get more Democrat-leaning from here. I don't know what they do to grow their base without alienating the deplorables.
They'll be fine
They'll come back in 4 years with the exact same game plan as this year only more 'polite'
Given the outsized proportion of Evangelicals in the subgroup of self identified Republicans, and after talking about weird stuff that friends grew up with on the far side of Christianity...I honestly don't know.
Side note, some of you Protestants are weird. Like the Church has its oddities, but damn.
I can say unequivocally that I would answer yes
There's temptation and then there's, "Well of course I'm going to do this thing"
Or, continue in their current course but also find a fascist that's more palatable than Trump with less baggage and who is better able to cover the fascism with your standard politickin dogwhistle bullshit.
Oh my God! They're saying the Clinton campaign is responsible for that?! GodfuckingDAMMIT I would expect something like that from the Trump campaign but FFS the Clinton campaign should be better than that. They should know there's an apostrophe after that K!
He's not. Everybody else is.
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That's bad news for them, though. It's hard to tell this election because Trump is an unmitigated disaster, but the demographics are just plain starting to favor Democrats due to increasing latino population and a shift towards Democrat in the younger generations. If they just keep playing the same game they've been playing, they'll continue to lose presidential elections (though retain an advantage in local/midterms), and it only gets worse for them moving forward.
Satan make very coherent arguments in Job.
I like being a weird Protestant. Somebody needs to be covertly liberal, slowly converting the younger ranks of the church towards progressive thinking.
Really though, I think the Protestants that are voting against helping people, radical love, acceptance, and voting for being wildly judgmental against genders, nationalities, ethnicities and sexual orientations are the ones that are weird. If you're a Christian and you vote for Trump you don't really get it, IMO.
If they can retain local control through 2020 they can easily counteract demographics through policy long enough for the national party to find a message that resonates with non-deplorables without depressing their base.
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I get the strong feeling that there is going to be a rebound against the whole fascism thing after Trump loses. If someone tries to run in the same manner but smarter I think it's possible you could sink him with Trump comparisons, definitely in the primary where the GOP establishment is going to be far more vigilant moving forward.
Like, sure, Iran went super Theocracy, but it required a revolution and walked back a bunch of rights, but has any democracy ever done so? That's what I don't get about the conservative party and gay rights, abortion, etc. Like, I can't think of a single instance where the genie was put back in the lamp. About the only example I can actually think of is Duterte right now, but he's bypassed the democracy/legislation part completely and just gone full Stalin.
I shrug since I just don't see what that message is yet. Almost certainly, they'll have to move left somehow.
One thing that excited me was that apparently once he's out of a job Obama's going to shift his focus onto aggressive targeted redistricting campaigns that should help Dems with the local stuff.
The idea of an Obama unleashed from the presidency continues to hype me up. If there's anyone who can summon voters to polls, it's him. I hope he pushes the midterm elections as hard as possible.
I'm meaning more weird like 'spiritual combat' where angels and demons "literally" battle each other over their ability to influence you throughout the day. Not just the banal 'The Pope is the Antichrist stuff.'
Yes, America and abortion rights. Access now is significantly worse than 10-15 years ago. Same with voting rights.*
E: Voting rights have improved in some areas thanks to improved early/mail-in voting, but been degraded significantly in other areas by striking down the VRA and voter-ID/registration purges.
...What. That's... what. No. That's not... what.
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That's a great pun. 100% worth subverting democracy by the heinous act of dressing up as a disney character.
What? Why would there be an apostrophe? They aren't saying "Donald Duck is releasing his tax returns." They saying that Donald (Trump) ducks (is avoiding) releasing his tax returns. It's just a pun.
He's not dressed up as a Disney character, he's just a duck, mocking Donald Trump.
Because Donald is DUCKing releasing his tax returns.
So the lack of apostrophe is actually appropriate.
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