X-Men 2 had a gag equating being a mutant with being gay. "Have you tried... not being a mutant?"
X-Men 1 made that exact argument about 'walking weapons'; people with superhuman powers being equivalent to guns in schools.
Yes, when one dude can turn into living steel and survive a nuke and farts a deadly ultra toxin that kills within seconds, sure, that's a reason to be concerned if you see him going into a Chipotle. But the contrast is generally more that these people are hunted not because of what they've *done*, but what they *could do*. They are judged guilty simply by existing.
The minority comparison also exists with some mutants 'passing' for non-mutant (ie; most of the X-Men except Beast when he's being a furry blue dog thing) and others being obvious (crab claws for hands or translucent skin or whatever).
Luke is known for being bulletproof and exceptionally strong, but he's not going to just 'go off' and destroy city blocks in a few seconds. He's dangerous one on one, or in a crowd, or if he decided to just start tearing into support structures of a building, but he's pretty low end for dangerous compared to hypothetical 'migraine nukes a city', or Kilgrave. He's a brick, and it's not exactly something he hides.
Luke Cage is less dangerous to the public than a guy with an automatic weapon and a bunch of ammo
Sure Luke is harder to take down, but he has to physically catch you
Cottonmouth was demonstrably more dangerous to the people of Harlem for example
X-Men 2 had a gag equating being a mutant with being gay. "Have you tried... not being a mutant?"
X-Men 1 made that exact argument about 'walking weapons'; people with superhuman powers being equivalent to guns in schools.
Yes, when one dude can turn into living steel and survive a nuke and farts a deadly ultra toxin that kills within seconds, sure, that's a reason to be concerned if you see him going into a Chipotle. But the contrast is generally more that these people are hunted not because of what they've *done*, but what they *could do*. They are judged guilty simply by existing.
The minority comparison also exists with some mutants 'passing' for non-mutant (ie; most of the X-Men except Beast when he's being a furry blue dog thing) and others being obvious (crab claws for hands or translucent skin or whatever).
Luke is known for being bulletproof and exceptionally strong, but he's not going to just 'go off' and destroy city blocks in a few seconds. He's dangerous one on one, or in a crowd, or if he decided to just start tearing into support structures of a building, but he's pretty low end for dangerous compared to hypothetical 'migraine nukes a city', or Kilgrave. He's a brick, and it's not exactly something he hides.
Luke Cage is less dangerous to the public than a guy with an automatic weapon and a bunch of ammo
Sure Luke is harder to take down, but he has to physically catch you
Cottonmouth was demonstrably more dangerous to the people of Harlem for example
Luke's street level, an Enhanced less powerful than him has bought down governments.
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X-Men 2 had a gag equating being a mutant with being gay. "Have you tried... not being a mutant?"
X-Men 1 made that exact argument about 'walking weapons'; people with superhuman powers being equivalent to guns in schools.
Yes, when one dude can turn into living steel and survive a nuke and farts a deadly ultra toxin that kills within seconds, sure, that's a reason to be concerned if you see him going into a Chipotle. But the contrast is generally more that these people are hunted not because of what they've *done*, but what they *could do*. They are judged guilty simply by existing.
The minority comparison also exists with some mutants 'passing' for non-mutant (ie; most of the X-Men except Beast when he's being a furry blue dog thing) and others being obvious (crab claws for hands or translucent skin or whatever).
Luke is known for being bulletproof and exceptionally strong, but he's not going to just 'go off' and destroy city blocks in a few seconds. He's dangerous one on one, or in a crowd, or if he decided to just start tearing into support structures of a building, but he's pretty low end for dangerous compared to hypothetical 'migraine nukes a city', or Kilgrave. He's a brick, and it's not exactly something he hides.
Luke Cage is less dangerous to the public than a guy with an automatic weapon and a bunch of ammo
Sure Luke is harder to take down, but he has to physically catch you
Cottonmouth was demonstrably more dangerous to the people of Harlem for example
I think the common theme regarding superpowered threats is that one way or another, regular people are helpless against them. Either their effectively unstoppable (Luke Cage can't destroy a city, but if he's after you, all you can do is run) or their offensive power is off the charts (Cyclops isn't bulletproof, but he can eyeball a building into rubble).
There's probably something interesting you could do there because a similar situation applies when talking about police and their various (mundane and legal) powers. You can't run, they have the resources to catch you eventually, and you can't fight, because even if you survive odds are the situation will only have gotten worse for you.
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Seven episodes into Luke Cage. If you aren't using quality headphones or a good sound system when watching this, you're really missing something important. The use of music (and the music itself) is out of this world.
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I have one episode to go with Luke Cage.
I feel comfortable nominating Diamondback as the worst MCU villain. Every single thing about him is just awful, from the dialogue to the performance to the basic logic of why he does stuff. Guys like Ronan were boring and one-note, but at least I didn't groan every time they were on screen.
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Seven episodes into Luke Cage. If you aren't using quality headphones or a good sound system when watching this, you're really missing something important. The use of music (and the music itself) is out of this world.
If you like the music in the first place. It just stuck out for me as there.
Seven episodes into Luke Cage. If you aren't using quality headphones or a good sound system when watching this, you're really missing something important. The use of music (and the music itself) is out of this world.
If you like the music in the first place. It just stuck out for me as there.
The music is phenomenal. Always good to learn about new artists, and every one so far has been awesome.
So that Captain Marvel trailer is fake. It was originally made by TrolleySmasher on Youtube. Someone then took that Fan-Made Trailer and uploaded it as a cellphone footage.
So that Captain Marvel trailer is fake. It was originally made by TrolleySmasher on Youtube. Someone then took that Fan-Made Trailer and uploaded it as a cellphone footage.
So that Captain Marvel trailer is fake. It was originally made by TrolleySmasher on Youtube. Someone then took that Fan-Made Trailer and uploaded it as a cellphone footage.
How disappointing.
I'm glad that it was fake because God Damn how confusing and shitty it looked.
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So that Captain Marvel trailer is fake. It was originally made by TrolleySmasher on Youtube. Someone then took that Fan-Made Trailer and uploaded it as a cellphone footage.
Now I'm even more confused, because while a guy named TrolleySmasher made a fake Captain Marvel trailer, it ain't the one we just watched...
I wish I could watch more of this, but I've been listening to Taika's voice on loop for the last three weeks due to one of his previous movies being used for this month's 11 second club.
I feel comfortable nominating Diamondback as the worst MCU villain. Every single thing about him is just awful, from the dialogue to the performance to the basic logic of why he does stuff. Guys like Ronan were boring and one-note, but at least I didn't groan every time they were on screen.
I think he's supposed to be a parody of a Blaxploitation villain because the other characters are always pointing out how nonsensical his plans are.
Especially Shades. Almost every scene between Shades and Diamondback is Shades telling him how his plan won't work.
I feel comfortable nominating Diamondback as the worst MCU villain. Every single thing about him is just awful, from the dialogue to the performance to the basic logic of why he does stuff. Guys like Ronan were boring and one-note, but at least I didn't groan every time they were on screen.
I think he's supposed to be a parody of a Blaxploitation villain because the other characters are always pointing out how nonsensical his plans are.
Especially Shades. Almost every scene between Shades and Diamondback is Shades telling him how his plan won't work.
Yeah... but it just made him look cheesy and stupid. He's a worst disappointment than the Mandarin.
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I don't think Diamondback is meant to be a parody. I think he just kinda sucks.
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Nobody in Luke Cage is meant to be a parody, but almost every non-Claire character is a deliberate archetype demonstrating an issue in Black cultural struggle.
Diamondback is the insidious, characature "Thug," both imagined and real. He's the imagined agenda, and the real Asshole Who Shows Up to the Protest to Start a Riot.
He'sthe work of Western religion that helped us read, and the conservative zeal that poisons our roots.
The world can watch him make a fool of us in the street, on the news (and they do), and he puts us right back in chains in the end.
Nobody in Luke Cage is meant to be a parody, but almost every non-Claire character is a deliberate archetype demonstrating an issue in Black cultural struggle.
Diamondback is the insidious, characature "Thug," both imagined and real. He's the imagined agenda, and the real Asshole Who Shows Up to the Protest to Start a Riot.
He'sthe work of Western religion that helped us read, and the conservative zeal that poisons our roots.
The world can watch him make a fool of us into the street, on the news (and they do), and he puts us right back in chains, in Georgia.
Would you mind expounding on some of the other archetypes you noticed? And as far as Diamondback goes, did you find that the trade off of having a more traditional villain versus highlighting a harmful caricature was worth it? Would it have been as powerful to you if this "thug" was represented by an underling, or flipping Cottonmouth and Diamondback? Did this particular caricature need to be the final boss, I guess is what I'm asking.
Nobody in Luke Cage is meant to be a parody, but almost every non-Claire character is a deliberate archetype demonstrating an issue in Black cultural struggle.
Diamondback is the insidious, characature "Thug," both imagined and real. He's the imagined agenda, and the real Asshole Who Shows Up to the Protest to Start a Riot.
He'sthe work of Western religion that helped us read, and the conservative zeal that poisons our roots.
The world can watch him make a fool of us into the street, on the news (and they do), and he puts us right back in chains, in Georgia.
I didn't get this at all about the character. I just saw a guy who was crazy without the nuts.
If Diamondback isn't a caricature then they screwed up royally.
We learn that Willis Stryker is the illegitimate child of Luke/Carl's father and he was treated like crap because of it. He never had the love, respect, or even acknowledgement of his father. After he stole a car with Luke, he went to juvie while Luke's father used his influence to give Luke a second chance by letting him join the marines. Willis killed someone in self defense in juvie and was sent to do hard time in prison. All the while, his father abandoned his mother and she died penniless and alone. Willis became Diamondback because of the terrible circumstance of his life. And instead of addressing the issue of their disparate upbringings, what was the final message of the show? "Am I my brothers keeper, no I'm not."
That's kind of a terrible message. Luke, the son of a rich and powerful pastor, who had a life of privilege and was given a second chance, washing his hands of his half brother, who was born of the indiscretions of his father and became a criminal because of the terrible way he was treated by the system and his own father.
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I've said it before, but Luke Cage is my favorite show to come out of the Netflix deal. I wasn't expecting that. I enjoyed most of the actors involved. I loved the style, the music, the overall story, Luke's journey from trying to hide and keep to himself to being the only out and out hero of all of the Netflix characters. The action was fun. Cottonmouth was amazing. Shades is probably one of my favorite villains introduced besides Fisk.
The only downside is Diamondback. He was just boring and one note. He was just a loon and paled in comparison to other villains in the show (Shades, Cottonmouth, Mariah all were just are so much more interesting than Diamondback ever could be.)
But overall the show was just amazing.
Very much looking forward to Iron Fist and Defenders. I just hope they can get that bromance going between Danny and Luke. I need to see them paint the town red and take on a gang together.
If Diamondback isn't a caricature then they screwed up royally.
We learn that Willis Stryker is the illegitimate child of Luke/Carl's father and he was treated like crap because of it. He never had the love, respect, or even acknowledgement of his father. After he stole a car with Luke, he went to juvie while Luke's father used his influence to give Luke a second chance by letting him join the marines. Willis killed someone in self defense in juvie and was sent to do hard time in prison. All the while, his father abandoned his mother and she died penniless and alone. Willis became Diamondback because of the terrible circumstance of his life. And instead of addressing the issue of their disparate upbringings, what was the final message of the show? "Am I my brothers keeper, no I'm not."
That's kind of a terrible message. Luke, the son of a rich and powerful pastor, who had a life of privilege and was given a second chance, washing his hands of his half brother, who was born of the indiscretions of his father and became a criminal because of the terrible way he was treated by the system and his own father.
I think the idea is that Luke, who's gone through much of the same, is not in fact responsible for the other's actions, and is not obligated to accept harm at his hands.
Diamondback did, rather undeniably, make something of himself from his troubled beginnings. He just did everything in exactly the wrong way for his experiences to make him a better person.
The thing is that Luke didn't go through the same thing as Diamondback.
Willis went to juvie and prison when he was just a teenager. Luke/Carl Lucas was spared that fate because of his father's influence. He didn't go to prison until he was a fully grown adult with plenty of life experience and training in the marines.
The whole message about personal responsibility doesn't work very well when you have someone who lived a more privileged life lecturing someone who turned out bad because they had a shitty life. It boils a very complex issue down to something way too simplistic.
Except Luke has had every opportunity to be just as big a dirtbag. And, with superpowers, he could've easily done so. But, as his appearance on Jessica Jones even showed, Luke generally actively chooses the higher ground.
There was a lot of work toward Luke accepting Great Responsibility here. He even accepts the truth of how horrible his father was. But the one thing he chooses not to accept responsibility for, and rightly so, is the actions and choices of another man whose sole legacy is destruction and violence.
Except Luke has had every opportunity to be just as big a dirtbag. And, with superpowers, he could've easily done so. But, as his appearance on Jessica Jones even showed, Luke generally actively chooses the higher ground.
There was a lot of work toward Luke accepting Great Responsibility here. He even accepts the truth of how horrible his father was. But the one thing he chooses not to accept responsibility for, and rightly so, is the actions and choices of another man whose sole legacy is destruction and violence.
Except Luke also had more opportunities to not be a dirtbag.
A rich person has the opportunity to turn to crime but since they're rich, they also have the resources to not turn to crime. Compare that to a poor person, who lacks those resources and are often faced with situations where they either have to turn to crime or starve, get beaten, maybe even die.
Yes, Luke can misuse his super powers but hey, they're super powers! They're a huge resource that can be used to earn money legitimately.
The series is pretty sympathetic to people who were screwed over by the system in general. But really what do you do with someone like Diamondback?
I mean really what could Luke have done? Apologise for being born?
Don't write Diamondback as an insane thug with no redeeming qualities. If they actually wanted to play the character seriously, then write him with some depth and nuance.
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Good. I sure hope it is.
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She should have asked him about the calibrations of the machine that would have gotten her out of it
I don't know. Simmons is flexible enough to spin that yarn, but that agent had better reach.
the Captain Marvel one? I don't see that anywhere...
Luke Cage is less dangerous to the public than a guy with an automatic weapon and a bunch of ammo
Sure Luke is harder to take down, but he has to physically catch you
Cottonmouth was demonstrably more dangerous to the people of Harlem for example
Luke's street level, an Enhanced less powerful than him has bought down governments.
I think the common theme regarding superpowered threats is that one way or another, regular people are helpless against them. Either their effectively unstoppable (Luke Cage can't destroy a city, but if he's after you, all you can do is run) or their offensive power is off the charts (Cyclops isn't bulletproof, but he can eyeball a building into rubble).
There's probably something interesting you could do there because a similar situation applies when talking about police and their various (mundane and legal) powers. You can't run, they have the resources to catch you eventually, and you can't fight, because even if you survive odds are the situation will only have gotten worse for you.
Yeah, that Spider-Man thing at least looked vaguely plausible. The Captain Marvel thing looked like 100% ass top to bottom.
I feel comfortable nominating Diamondback as the worst MCU villain. Every single thing about him is just awful, from the dialogue to the performance to the basic logic of why he does stuff. Guys like Ronan were boring and one-note, but at least I didn't groan every time they were on screen.
If you like the music in the first place. It just stuck out for me as there.
The music is phenomenal. Always good to learn about new artists, and every one so far has been awesome.
How disappointing.
I'm glad that it was fake because God Damn how confusing and shitty it looked.
Now I'm even more confused, because while a guy named TrolleySmasher made a fake Captain Marvel trailer, it ain't the one we just watched...
I mean, I'm ready to believe it's fake since no one at ComicCon is talking about it, but not from that specific guy?
I wish I could watch more of this, but I've been listening to Taika's voice on loop for the last three weeks due to one of his previous movies being used for this month's 11 second club.
I think he's supposed to be a parody of a Blaxploitation villain because the other characters are always pointing out how nonsensical his plans are.
Yeah... but it just made him look cheesy and stupid. He's a worst disappointment than the Mandarin.
Diamondback is the insidious, characature "Thug," both imagined and real. He's the imagined agenda, and the real Asshole Who Shows Up to the Protest to Start a Riot.
He'sthe work of Western religion that helped us read, and the conservative zeal that poisons our roots.
The world can watch him make a fool of us in the street, on the news (and they do), and he puts us right back in chains in the end.
Would you mind expounding on some of the other archetypes you noticed? And as far as Diamondback goes, did you find that the trade off of having a more traditional villain versus highlighting a harmful caricature was worth it? Would it have been as powerful to you if this "thug" was represented by an underling, or flipping Cottonmouth and Diamondback? Did this particular caricature need to be the final boss, I guess is what I'm asking.
I didn't get this at all about the character. I just saw a guy who was crazy without the nuts.
That's kind of a terrible message. Luke, the son of a rich and powerful pastor, who had a life of privilege and was given a second chance, washing his hands of his half brother, who was born of the indiscretions of his father and became a criminal because of the terrible way he was treated by the system and his own father.
The only downside is Diamondback. He was just boring and one note. He was just a loon and paled in comparison to other villains in the show (Shades, Cottonmouth, Mariah all were just are so much more interesting than Diamondback ever could be.)
But overall the show was just amazing.
Very much looking forward to Iron Fist and Defenders. I just hope they can get that bromance going between Danny and Luke. I need to see them paint the town red and take on a gang together.
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I think the idea is that Luke, who's gone through much of the same, is not in fact responsible for the other's actions, and is not obligated to accept harm at his hands.
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The whole message about personal responsibility doesn't work very well when you have someone who lived a more privileged life lecturing someone who turned out bad because they had a shitty life. It boils a very complex issue down to something way too simplistic.
There was a lot of work toward Luke accepting Great Responsibility here. He even accepts the truth of how horrible his father was. But the one thing he chooses not to accept responsibility for, and rightly so, is the actions and choices of another man whose sole legacy is destruction and violence.
I mean really what could Luke have done? Apologise for being born?
Except Luke also had more opportunities to not be a dirtbag.
A rich person has the opportunity to turn to crime but since they're rich, they also have the resources to not turn to crime. Compare that to a poor person, who lacks those resources and are often faced with situations where they either have to turn to crime or starve, get beaten, maybe even die.
Yes, Luke can misuse his super powers but hey, they're super powers! They're a huge resource that can be used to earn money legitimately.
Don't write Diamondback as an insane thug with no redeeming qualities. If they actually wanted to play the character seriously, then write him with some depth and nuance.