Mods, let me know if this needs to be a separate topic, but... If such a thing came to pass, when is it time to bail out? Would there be any warning time before it went into effect?
Judging by German history, the time to bail out is early.
After some point, people weren't even allowed to leave anymore.
Start planning an escape route now - with the hope and prayer of never needing it, but who knows what might happen if the neonazis at the white
House get emergency powers after a terrorist attack
Honestly, this goes for a lot of people. I already made sure my mom has an escape route because she's not a citizen (though she has a permanent green card) and not white.
My wife and I are both native born citizens and I'm still worried. I don't have a ton of faith in "oh this brown person is okay, they're a citizen."
I also don't have a ton of faith that the rest of the population will lift a single finger to help us if the time comes.
That's the problem as I see it.
First will be the immigrants. Immediately following will be citizens of the same ethnic background who might be aiding these immigrants. All will be documented.
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Mods, let me know if this needs to be a separate topic, but... If such a thing came to pass, when is it time to bail out? Would there be any warning time before it went into effect?
Rahmani, you know I'm a Michigander. For what its worth, one of my coworkers, who is former active-duty military and I believe now a reservist, mentioned to me recently that "George Bush II was one of the best presidents, I think, that we've ever had. And Trump scares the hell out of me. I hate that guy."
Ed: What I'm meaning to say is that, in my experience, Trump does not command any respect within the military. I can't know if that will translate to a refusal to enact illegal orders, but I hope.
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Mods, let me know if this needs to be a separate topic, but... If such a thing came to pass, when is it time to bail out? Would there be any warning time before it went into effect?
Judging by German history, the time to bail out is early.
After some point, people weren't even allowed to leave anymore.
Start planning an escape route now - with the hope and prayer of never needing it, but who knows what might happen if the neonazis at the white
House get emergency powers after a terrorist attack
Honestly, this goes for a lot of people. I already made sure my mom has an escape route because she's not a citizen (though she has a permanent green card) and not white.
My wife and I are both native born citizens and I'm still worried. I don't have a ton of faith in "oh this brown person is okay, they're a citizen."
I also don't have a ton of faith that the rest of the population will lift a single finger to help us if the time comes.
That's the problem as I see it.
First will be the immigrants. Immediately following will be citizens of the same ethnic background who might be aiding these immigrants. All will be documented.
And after that, people who helped them not go to the camps.. After that, all political enemies...
And the rightward shift begins, as the rust belt become the only important demographic in America.
...I need a new swear word, the standard set no longer properly convey my absolute disdain anymore.
Wait, what? The rust belt isn't right or left. It's not the only important demographic but working class white voters make up about 40% of the electorate so it's certainly one of the biggest.
From what many posters*, who come from that area, describe that demographic is that culturally they are rightward of liberals/Democrats on important issues - like sexism, racism etc. This is where we lost them this election. An argument has to be made to focus less on those issues to court them back.
They seem not to be hateful jackasses, yet they're not full on liberals either. This is the sweet spot for the GOP and candidates like Donald Trump to pick them up. They've also been a demographic the GOP has tried capturing for years. Why wouldn't they?
Why would you disdain them having a voice?
They can have a voice, but we shouldn't sacrifice too much if they don't want what we're selling.
* and other sources in the media
Someone who would be furious if they heard the n word or saw a gay couple denied service, but who doesn't understand BLM or safe spaces isn't necessarily a hateful jackass (I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this but members of this forum are often so detached from reality that it's like talking to aliens)
More importantly, social issues aren't their primary concern, their day to day life is, and they don't have the privilege of spending all day on the internet reading about social justice. That means they probably have some bad opinions, by our standards, but purity testing the party is a hilariously stupid idea.
They voted for Obama for crying out loud, we're not talking about going after the MAGA rally people, I think we just need to run on a message of 1. this is fucked up 2. these assholes are to blame and 3. we can fix it
That would be 100 percent against everything I have seen.
Edit: like, my refusal to say it outed me as a liberal.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say
You got outed as a liberal by disaffected Obama voters for refusing to say the N word?
That lots of people would be would be furious if they heard the nword.
So you are disagreeing with the concept that disaffected Obama voters would be upset by hearing the N word in public at all?
I'm not sure if continued fealty to the donor class is a winning strategy anymore for the presidency, in many ways I think the election of Trump was kind of a referendum on that kind of thinking
Hillary Clinton didn't lack funds, it didn't mean anything
It's not like calling for much higher taxes on the rich is going to cut you off from all donors either, and I think the difference can be made up in small donations
But the other problem is the voters -- we say wow, such populism, but does that actually translate to voting for higher taxes on the rich and expanded government services? I don't really see it -- people hate "the elites," not the rich; that's why it's cool for the Trump family to do a presser while sitting on literal golden thrones....
I feel like if there were actual internment camps, you could just hop the boarder to Canada or Europe and claim asylum.
If it comes to that, I strongly suggest Europe.
Yes because Europe has a long and proud heritage of accepting brown people
I half agree but there is no button for it.
The most important thing to remember is that Europe isn't a country - it is a collection of very different countries mostly united through borders and financial agreements / trade.
There are countries over there more friendly to exiles/refugees than others.
And I realize that exile/refugee would actually be an accurate description of a population fleeing my country and now I am fucking sad. I hope it does not come to this.
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Mods, let me know if this needs to be a separate topic, but... If such a thing came to pass, when is it time to bail out? Would there be any warning time before it went into effect?
Judging by German history, the time to bail out is early.
After some point, people weren't even allowed to leave anymore.
Start planning an escape route now - with the hope and prayer of never needing it, but who knows what might happen if the neonazis at the white
House get emergency powers after a terrorist attack
Honestly, this goes for a lot of people. I already made sure my mom has an escape route because she's not a citizen (though she has a permanent green card) and not white.
My wife and I are both native born citizens and I'm still worried. I don't have a ton of faith in "oh this brown person is okay, they're a citizen."
I also don't have a ton of faith that the rest of the population will lift a single finger to help us if the time comes.
That's the problem as I see it.
First will be the immigrants. Immediately following will be citizens of the same ethnic background who might be aiding these immigrants. All will be documented.
What's that holocaust quote? "First they came for the socialists", etc etc? Divide and conquer, destroy the weakest elements of resistance first that the fewest will complain about. Then work your way up until you're at a point where you can just remove the inconvenient white people who did complain.
Not that I think Trump is planning that (not sure he's planning anything really), but I 100% believe that some of his advisers are.
EDIT: The fact I am referencing the fucking holocaust and don't feel like I'm exaggerating makes me numb inside.
I feel like if there were actual internment camps, you could just hop the boarder to Canada or Europe and claim asylum.
If it comes to that, I strongly suggest Europe.
Yes because Europe has a long and proud heritage of accepting brown people
Europe does not have a very large undefended border and one tenth the population of the US.
If it gets to internment camps, Canada is not safe either. Stop here on your way out, by all means, but don't stop.
Look, people being arrested and marched off to camps is a real risk, but it's not the most likely outcome here. The Republicans are led by rich white dudes, and represent white dudes whose problem isn't that they are starving to death and have no food, but that they can't afford a new car, and their kids school is run down, and they didn't like the idea of a woman in the white house.
The Republicans backing trump may have problems, but they are not severe enough to make utter social destruction likely. If they deport all the immigrant labor, their supporters will starve. If they deport all the liberals, their supporters will freeze and the Internet will turn off. These are not opinions, this is the truth.
In Germany the nazis had little to nothing to lose. Here the Republicans have far more to lose than the democrats and are outnumbered. Massively so, unless you think it's harder for an angry white guy to vote than a black guy in the inner city whose one polling station has a 6 hour line. Unless you think rich people have less free time to vote than poor people. Their mandate is razor thin, and could crumble at any instant.
So what we need to concern ourselves about is their attempts to establish a permanent political elite. So you'll be watching for things like...
Voter suppression
Raising the voting age
Increasing the EC votes for smaller states
Decreasing polling stations
Outlawing early voting
National 'no early voting or polling stations staying open late' law
I feel like if there were actual internment camps, you could just hop the boarder to Canada or Europe and claim asylum.
If the USA went fascist, Canada and Europe aren't powerful enough to resist it without WW3, so they'd just send you right back.
Would they want you back? The whole point is to get the undesirables out of the country...
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
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Stop trying to make me feel like I have a future!
(please keep reminding me there's probably a future)
EDIT: I need to get over my own emotional crisis with this whole shitstorm, because there's a ton of people in way more danger than I am from all this.
All it will take is one assclown to pull off another Orlando shooting to set the dominoes falling. ISIS/ISIL/etc is well aware of this and will be trying for it.
At that point, getting the undesirables out of the country won't be the primary goal. Punishing them will be.
All it will take is one assclown to pull off another Orlando shooting to set the dominoes falling. ISIS/ISIL/etc is well aware of this and will be trying for it.
At the point, getting the undesirables out of the country won't be the primary goal. Punishing them will be.
I mean, considering who we just elected, the chances of someone being radicalized in America have probably shot way up. This is the man who said he would kill Muslim women and children to get back at the bad guys. I assure you ISIS already has a sizzle reel for why this is the new holy war and it is time to take up arms.
I'm disgusted.
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That leaves options pretty slim. I have an Iranian passport, but I give it 50/50 odds that Tehran gets nuked in that scenario.
EDIT: What about Australia? Maybe that could be an option.
I never got my Iranian passport even though my dad has been pushing it for years
If there is a scenario where living in Iran is a brighter prospect for an atheist feminist American who can only speak broken farsi, can't read or write, has no applicable skills for a job in Iran and is a primo target for Evin prison, then shit in America will have to have gone really fucking bad
I don't know if that's on the menu but...i don't know
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All it will take is one assclown to pull off another Orlando shooting to set the dominoes falling. ISIS/ISIL/etc is well aware of this and will be trying for it.
At that point, getting the undesirables out of the country won't be the primary goal. Punishing them will be.
It's distressing on another level that a shooting of queer people contributed to an administration that largely will try to harm queer people.
It turns out being a minority sucks, you guys.
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JARED KUSHNER COMPARED TO ALEXANDER HAMILTON BY TRUMP TEAM. Ugh, fuck all of them.
"a public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement ... any individual who is a relative of the public official."
So, will none of Trump's kids be given executive branch jobs? Or will he change the laws?
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"a public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement ... any individual who is a relative of the public official."
So, will none of Trump's kids be given executive branch jobs? Or will he change the laws?
I'm sorry is there a volume of thick political philosophy and the framework for an enduring economic system that Jared Kushner has produced for us to plumb the inner workings of a genius mind that I'm missing? I missed the part where Jared Kushner has been writing like he's running out of time, all day and night like he's running out of time
That leaves options pretty slim. I have an Iranian passport, but I give it 50/50 odds that Tehran gets nuked in that scenario.
EDIT: What about Australia? Maybe that could be an option.
I never got my Iranian passport even though my dad has been pushing it for years
If there is a scenario where living in Iran is a brighter prospect for an atheist feminist American who can only speak broken farsi, can't read or write, has no applicable skills for a job in Iran and is a primo target for Evin prison, then shit in America will have to have gone really fucking bad
I don't know if that's on the menu but...i don't know
The Bahamas.
Or one of the pacific islands maybe.
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I'm sorry is there a volume of thick political philosophy and the framework for an enduring economic system that Jared Kushner has produced for us to plumb the inner workings of a genius mind that I'm missing? I missed the part where Jared Kushner has been writing like he's running out of time, all day and night like he's running out of time
I dunno, maybe he cheated on Ivanka?
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I'm sorry is there a volume of thick political philosophy and the framework for an enduring economic system that Jared Kushner has produced for us to plumb the inner workings of a genius mind that I'm missing? I missed the part where Jared Kushner has been writing like he's running out of time, all day and night like he's running out of time
I dunno, maybe he cheated on Ivanka?
Jared Kushner walks into the Capitol Building and stares, trembling, sweating, and half-chubbed before the original US Constitution, tantalizingly close behind its thin glass protector
"Lord tell me how to say no to this, I don't know how to say no to this..."
"a public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement ... any individual who is a relative of the public official."
So, will none of Trump's kids be given executive branch jobs? Or will he change the laws?
My guess they are just there and do the jobs without officially being given the jobs all the while running his "blind trust".
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I feel like if there were actual internment camps, you could just hop the boarder to Canada or Europe and claim asylum.
If the USA went fascist, Canada and Europe aren't powerful enough to resist it without WW3, so they'd just send you right back.
Would they want you back? The whole point is to get the undesirables out of the country...
Expatriates can still vote and stir up trouble on the internet.
Why do you think Erdogan is able to stir up shit in Turkey and consolidate authoritarian power and kneecap the military? By pointing the finger at Gulen, who lives in a fucking mansion in Pennsylvania
I'm sorry is there a volume of thick political philosophy and the framework for an enduring economic system that Jared Kushner has produced for us to plumb the inner workings of a genius mind that I'm missing? I missed the part where Jared Kushner has been writing like he's running out of time, all day and night like he's running out of time
That leaves options pretty slim. I have an Iranian passport, but I give it 50/50 odds that Tehran gets nuked in that scenario.
EDIT: What about Australia? Maybe that could be an option.
I never got my Iranian passport even though my dad has been pushing it for years
If there is a scenario where living in Iran is a brighter prospect for an atheist feminist American who can only speak broken farsi, can't read or write, has no applicable skills for a job in Iran and is a primo target for Evin prison, then shit in America will have to have gone really fucking bad
I don't know if that's on the menu but...i don't know
I mean... it might be worth having that passport. Just as an absolute worst case last resort.
Things have changed pretty significantly from the last time I was over there. A lot of the religious ruling stuff seems to have faded to window dressing, for the most part. Tehran especially, you see guys and girls holding hands walking down the street and generally being gherti and nobody cares lol.
All it will take is one assclown to pull off another Orlando shooting to set the dominoes falling. ISIS/ISIL/etc is well aware of this and will be trying for it.
At that point, getting the undesirables out of the country won't be the primary goal. Punishing them will be.
It's distressing on another level that a shooting of queer people contributed to an administration that largely will try to harm queer people.
It turns out being a minority sucks, you guys.
We only care about other motivations when a shooter is white (Angry he lost a job or girlfriend, desperately poor, really hates black people or gay people, mentally disturbed, shockingly easy access to guns, etc). When a shooter is brown, fucking WHO CARES how they got radicalized or if they were born in the US or if they were mentally ill or just desperate because they have no money or job or also hate black people or gay people--they probably clicked their heels three times, whispered "ISIS, ISIS, ISIS" and dialed into the always-open comms line to Al-Baghdadi where they received direct marching orders and an arsenal of guns from heaven to continue the holy war against the West
I know I have been doomsaying a lot lately but this is one my surer prognostications: There will be another attack, and if it is not directly from al Qaeda or ISIS then it will be from a radicalized US citizen, and it will serve as a pretext for crackdowns on a level we've not yet seen
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That leaves options pretty slim. I have an Iranian passport, but I give it 50/50 odds that Tehran gets nuked in that scenario.
EDIT: What about Australia? Maybe that could be an option.
I never got my Iranian passport even though my dad has been pushing it for years
If there is a scenario where living in Iran is a brighter prospect for an atheist feminist American who can only speak broken farsi, can't read or write, has no applicable skills for a job in Iran and is a primo target for Evin prison, then shit in America will have to have gone really fucking bad
I don't know if that's on the menu but...i don't know
I mean... it might be worth having that passport. Just as an absolute worst case last resort.
Things have changed pretty significantly from the last time I was over there. A lot of the religious ruling stuff seems to have faded to window dressing, for the most part. Tehran especially, you see guys and girls holding hands walking down the street and generally being gherti and nobody cares lol.
like, pretty? Well groomed? Fashion Forward?
Google did not help me with your Farsi all that much.
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That's the problem as I see it.
First will be the immigrants. Immediately following will be citizens of the same ethnic background who might be aiding these immigrants. All will be documented.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Rahmani, you know I'm a Michigander. For what its worth, one of my coworkers, who is former active-duty military and I believe now a reservist, mentioned to me recently that "George Bush II was one of the best presidents, I think, that we've ever had. And Trump scares the hell out of me. I hate that guy."
Ed: What I'm meaning to say is that, in my experience, Trump does not command any respect within the military. I can't know if that will translate to a refusal to enact illegal orders, but I hope.
And after that, people who helped them not go to the camps.. After that, all political enemies...
Yeah.
Sorry if I was being inarticulate.
But the other problem is the voters -- we say wow, such populism, but does that actually translate to voting for higher taxes on the rich and expanded government services? I don't really see it -- people hate "the elites," not the rich; that's why it's cool for the Trump family to do a presser while sitting on literal golden thrones....
Wake the fuck up
If it comes to that, I strongly suggest Europe.
Yes because Europe has a long and proud heritage of accepting brown people
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
I half agree but there is no button for it.
The most important thing to remember is that Europe isn't a country - it is a collection of very different countries mostly united through borders and financial agreements / trade.
There are countries over there more friendly to exiles/refugees than others.
And I realize that exile/refugee would actually be an accurate description of a population fleeing my country and now I am fucking sad. I hope it does not come to this.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
What's that holocaust quote? "First they came for the socialists", etc etc? Divide and conquer, destroy the weakest elements of resistance first that the fewest will complain about. Then work your way up until you're at a point where you can just remove the inconvenient white people who did complain.
Not that I think Trump is planning that (not sure he's planning anything really), but I 100% believe that some of his advisers are.
EDIT: The fact I am referencing the fucking holocaust and don't feel like I'm exaggerating makes me numb inside.
I mean, we have a lot of precedents to draw from. No need to limit ourselves.
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
Europe does not have a very large undefended border and one tenth the population of the US.
If it gets to internment camps, Canada is not safe either. Stop here on your way out, by all means, but don't stop.
If the USA went fascist, Canada and Europe aren't powerful enough to resist it without WW3, so they'd just send you right back.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/27/on-views-of-race-and-inequality-blacks-and-whites-are-worlds-apart/
Of particular importance 17 (!) percent of white highschool or less thought their race was an advantage.
EDIT: What about Australia? Maybe that could be an option.
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
The Republicans backing trump may have problems, but they are not severe enough to make utter social destruction likely. If they deport all the immigrant labor, their supporters will starve. If they deport all the liberals, their supporters will freeze and the Internet will turn off. These are not opinions, this is the truth.
In Germany the nazis had little to nothing to lose. Here the Republicans have far more to lose than the democrats and are outnumbered. Massively so, unless you think it's harder for an angry white guy to vote than a black guy in the inner city whose one polling station has a 6 hour line. Unless you think rich people have less free time to vote than poor people. Their mandate is razor thin, and could crumble at any instant.
So what we need to concern ourselves about is their attempts to establish a permanent political elite. So you'll be watching for things like...
Voter suppression
Raising the voting age
Increasing the EC votes for smaller states
Decreasing polling stations
Outlawing early voting
National 'no early voting or polling stations staying open late' law
And in the end a scapegoat will be needed, and it will be Muslims.
If a major terror attack happens, too, you probably will truly see something like the enabling act of 1933
Would they want you back? The whole point is to get the undesirables out of the country...
(please keep reminding me there's probably a future)
EDIT: I need to get over my own emotional crisis with this whole shitstorm, because there's a ton of people in way more danger than I am from all this.
At that point, getting the undesirables out of the country won't be the primary goal. Punishing them will be.
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
I mean, considering who we just elected, the chances of someone being radicalized in America have probably shot way up. This is the man who said he would kill Muslim women and children to get back at the bad guys. I assure you ISIS already has a sizzle reel for why this is the new holy war and it is time to take up arms.
I'm disgusted.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I never got my Iranian passport even though my dad has been pushing it for years
If there is a scenario where living in Iran is a brighter prospect for an atheist feminist American who can only speak broken farsi, can't read or write, has no applicable skills for a job in Iran and is a primo target for Evin prison, then shit in America will have to have gone really fucking bad
I don't know if that's on the menu but...i don't know
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It's distressing on another level that a shooting of queer people contributed to an administration that largely will try to harm queer people.
It turns out being a minority sucks, you guys.
Also,
So, will none of Trump's kids be given executive branch jobs? Or will he change the laws?
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I'm sorry is there a volume of thick political philosophy and the framework for an enduring economic system that Jared Kushner has produced for us to plumb the inner workings of a genius mind that I'm missing? I missed the part where Jared Kushner has been writing like he's running out of time, all day and night like he's running out of time
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This was primarily aimed at turks because of recent developments there but applies just as much to anyone else.
Expatriates can still vote and stir up trouble on the internet.
The Bahamas.
Or one of the pacific islands maybe.
I dunno, maybe he cheated on Ivanka?
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Jared Kushner walks into the Capitol Building and stares, trembling, sweating, and half-chubbed before the original US Constitution, tantalizingly close behind its thin glass protector
"Lord tell me how to say no to this, I don't know how to say no to this..."
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My guess they are just there and do the jobs without officially being given the jobs all the while running his "blind trust".
Why do you think Erdogan is able to stir up shit in Turkey and consolidate authoritarian power and kneecap the military? By pointing the finger at Gulen, who lives in a fucking mansion in Pennsylvania
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He drank a Hurricane in the Caribbean once.
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I mean... it might be worth having that passport. Just as an absolute worst case last resort.
Things have changed pretty significantly from the last time I was over there. A lot of the religious ruling stuff seems to have faded to window dressing, for the most part. Tehran especially, you see guys and girls holding hands walking down the street and generally being gherti and nobody cares lol.
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
We only care about other motivations when a shooter is white (Angry he lost a job or girlfriend, desperately poor, really hates black people or gay people, mentally disturbed, shockingly easy access to guns, etc). When a shooter is brown, fucking WHO CARES how they got radicalized or if they were born in the US or if they were mentally ill or just desperate because they have no money or job or also hate black people or gay people--they probably clicked their heels three times, whispered "ISIS, ISIS, ISIS" and dialed into the always-open comms line to Al-Baghdadi where they received direct marching orders and an arsenal of guns from heaven to continue the holy war against the West
I know I have been doomsaying a lot lately but this is one my surer prognostications: There will be another attack, and if it is not directly from al Qaeda or ISIS then it will be from a radicalized US citizen, and it will serve as a pretext for crackdowns on a level we've not yet seen
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like, pretty? Well groomed? Fashion Forward?
Google did not help me with your Farsi all that much.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...