You all know what I'm talking about. I think you all owe me a coke.:winky:
How about a
If being not being "labeled as a loser" is so worth it to you, then maybe these games aren't for you. There's got to be a winner and a loser in these types of games.
And the thing here is that you can't use what you want and be labeled a loser. No one else is making that claim. I'm taking a dreadnought in my Thousand Sons army. Is the most effective points buy? Probably not, but I like the model I made for it, and I think it's cool that it goes batshit insane and can shoot my own guys. It's fun, and if someone calls me a "loser" so be it. I like my dread.
I'm going to crawl back under my rock and observe. Admins , please step in and put the foot down, because we've already killed two pages talking about emotions, and feelnigs, and shit....
So, I after taking in suggestions and reading the thread, I decided that Grey Knights would probably be a bad idea for me, especially because I'd probably be tempted to run like an 11 model army with too many upgrades. I keep hearing mention that Necrons are an easy army to learn and an inexpensive one to boot. Plus, I can freely paint them metallic without feeling bad. So, I've been giving the immortal machines a good looking at as a starting army according to you guys' advice.
Does anyone have any suggestions regarding Necrons at 500 points? Is the the starter set a good idea for them? (I'm at work, so can't check if there is even one for necrons.)
Also, I'm worried my list will essentially be 1xNecron Lord, 1xHeavy Destroyer, 40xNecron Warriors. I just want some variation in my models. Is this an unfounded or a reasonable fear for Necrons at small points?
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I'm honestly trying to be better than I was back then. I don't mean to be ungrateful, it's just how am I supposed to have fun when I can't take anythingI like? or, perhaps a more jarring question would be, how come the things I like are so "wrong" or "unworkable"?
Two reasons it appears that way to you, Shrimpy:
1) You exagerrate every suggestion made to alter your list as an authoratative demand to turn it into a min/maxed powergamer list.
2) Your ideas in previous cases of adding 'what you want' has consistently involved loading units with an excess of a specialized option, equiping a unit for multiple contradictory roles, including too many elite/specialized units and too few core units, attempting to maintain symmetry or numbers that aren't necessary, or just trying to overplay exagerrated or just plain misunderstood themes and strategies you think the army has (see point one).
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I get the impression I'm the only one who finds these long clawshrimpy debates amusing.
Pretty good starter force I think. I would think Necron at smaller point levels would be about what you described. A couple Squads of Warriors, Lord, and either Destoyer variant. My Necron knowledge is purely theory. 500 points isn't that big and Necrons aren't cheap points wise, and phase out might be more of an issue at those smaller points values.
So, I after taking in suggestions and reading the thread, I decided that Grey Knights would probably be a bad idea for me, especially because I'd probably be tempted to run like an 11 model army with too many upgrades. I keep hearing mention that Necrons are an easy army to learn and an inexpensive one to boot. Plus, I can freely paint them metallic without feeling bad. So, I've been giving the immortal machines a good looking at as a starting army according to you guys' advice.
Does anyone have any suggestions regarding Necrons at 500 points? Is the the starter set a good idea for them? (I'm at work, so can't check if there is even one for necrons.)
Also, I'm worried my list will essentially be 1xNecron Lord, 1xHeavy Destroyer, 40xNecron Warriors. I just want some variation in my models. Is this an unfounded or a reasonable fear for Necrons at small points?
You usually have a large core of warriors, the big variation is 'do I want to teleport around with warriors/immortals' or 'do I want to use a ton of regular Destroyers' - they are both fun lists. I wouldn't personally recommend the 'cron army box, IIRC it comes with alot of stuff you won't wind up using.
Edit: That's actually a pretty good army box. 500pts is gonna be a 10-minute game anyway, so start with whatever helps you learn the basic units the best.
I get the impression I'm the only one who finds these long clawshrimpy debates amusing.
They're pretty funny, it's just sad because a solid chunk of the gamer population takes the same approach to army design/gameplay that he does.
FYI shrimpy, you can have a decent list without it being this horrific nightmare of minmaxing cheese that you describe (not that it would matter, those lists are usually fun to play, and make your opponent bring a better list, which usually helps you both grow as players)
I get the impression I'm the only one who finds these long clawshrimpy debates amusing.
They're pretty funny, it's just sad because a solid chunk of the gamer population takes the same approach to army design/gameplay that he does.
FYI shrimpy, you can have a decent list without it being this horrific nightmare of minmaxing cheese that you describe (not that it would matter, those lists are usually fun to play, and make your opponent bring a better list, which usually helps you both grow as players)
It mostly came from me beign afraid, like with Blood Angels, that I wanted to assault a lot, but bringing a lot of Assault Cannons was more effective, because it's beardy. I liked my Terminators with Thunder Hammers and Lightning Claws. but, they werent effective, so I just kitbashed and sold my army, hell, maybe I better sell my Tyranids and find something better to do with my money. I don't know, though, I want something fun to do with people in my area. I really wish CCG's hadn't died.
I'll post again, since it got lost in the rabble rabble.
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I'm looking into a small Ravenwing list that I might be tempted to actually buy as a second force..
Master of Ravenwing on Jetbike
6 Bikes - 2* Plasma gun
6 Bikes - 2* Plasma gun
3 Landspeeders
999pts (It also comes to £115 so it isn't TOO expensive)
I know the ravenwing this way is mobile, but what do you think of this list for a 1000pts? In friendly battle I would be playing, only one list has one tank so i'm not too worried about tanks.. I mean !one! (all 10pts of it) of my ferinisian Wolves managed to immobilize it for a turn. so I would assume enough bike dakka dakka could poke some holes into things.
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So, I after taking in suggestions and reading the thread, I decided that Grey Knights would probably be a bad idea for me, especially because I'd probably be tempted to run like an 11 model army with too many upgrades. I keep hearing mention that Necrons are an easy army to learn and an inexpensive one to boot. Plus, I can freely paint them metallic without feeling bad. So, I've been giving the immortal machines a good looking at as a starting army according to you guys' advice.
Does anyone have any suggestions regarding Necrons at 500 points? Is the the starter set a good idea for them? (I'm at work, so can't check if there is even one for necrons.)
Also, I'm worried my list will essentially be 1xNecron Lord, 1xHeavy Destroyer, 40xNecron Warriors. I just want some variation in my models. Is this an unfounded or a reasonable fear for Necrons at small points?
At 500 points you've really only got room for your required two Warrior units and a Lord, so you don't really have room to worry about variety until medium games. From there you can tack on Immortals, two types of scarabs and destroyers (can't comment on the effectiveness of the former, but it's at least variety), Maybe Wraiths or Pariahs if you fidn a use for them, and everyone's favorite, the Monolith.
Including C'tan as units is dumb and they shouldn't have even been mentioned in the fluff.
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He could always do what I do. I go into a game fully expecting to loose horribly. As it becomes evident what I will in fact loose, I start making objectives for my self like, "I MUST kill that unit," or their HQ or something like that. If all else fails, I simply shout, "fix bayonets" and charge all my guys into assault.
Whatever happens I'm having a blast. Of course I play more for the narrative and fluff than anything else, so I may be unique. 8-)
I'll post again, since it got lost in the rabble rabble.
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I'm looking into a small Ravenwing list that I might be tempted to actually buy as a second force..
Master of Ravenwing on Jetbike
6 Bikes - 2* Plasma gun
6 Bikes - 2* Plasma gun
3 Landspeeders
999pts (It also comes to £115 so it isn't TOO expensive)
I know the ravenwing this way is mobile, but what do you think of this list for a 1000pts? In friendly battle I would be playing, only one list has one tank so i'm not too worried about tanks.. I mean !one! (all 10pts of it) of my ferinisian Wolves managed to immobilize it for a turn. so I would assume enough bike dakka dakka could poke some holes into things.
If your interested, I have a ravenwing battleforce box sitting in my basement minus a single biker. I could give you a discount on it. :P
He could always do what I do. I go into a game fully expecting to loose horribly. As it becomes evident what I will in fact loose, I start making objectives for my self like, "I MUST kill that unit," or their HQ or something like that. If all else fails, I simply shout, "fix bayonets" and charge all my guys into assault.
Whatever happens I'm having a blast. Of course I play more for the narrative and fluff than anything else, so I may be unique. 8-)
I'm honestly trying to be better than I was back then. I don't mean to be ungrateful, it's just how am I supposed to have fun when I can't take anythingI like? or, perhaps a more jarring question would be, how come the things I like are so "wrong" or "unworkable"?
The consensus seems to be that your tyranid lists are fine, and it's probably your tactics that need work. A couple of detailed battle reports might help us diagnose why you're losing.
At 500 points you've really only got room for your required two Warrior units and a Lord, so you don't really have room to worry about more warriors until medium games. From there you can tack on Immortals, two types of scarabs and destroyers (can't comment on the effectiveness of the former, but it's at least variety, killer of all things necron), Maybe Wraiths or Pariahs if you are clinically insane, and everyone's favorite, the Monolith.
I'm honestly trying to be better than I was back then. I don't mean to be ungrateful, it's just how am I supposed to have fun when I can't take anythingI like? or, perhaps a more jarring question would be, how come the things I like are so "wrong" or "unworkable"?
The consensus seems to be that your tyranid lists are fine, and it's probably your tactics that need work. A couple of detailed battle reports might help us diagnose why you're losing.
No, his lists are bad too, we just haven't gotten to work on them because his ideology is in the way.
I'm new to the battlefield. I've watched a few games but this is my first real attempt at putting together an army list. Any recommendations/advice would be helpful.
Tau 1001 pts
Only 1000 because i barely have enough models to proxy as it is.
I'm new to the battlefield. I've watched a few games but this is my first real attempt at putting together an army list. Any recommendations/advice would be helpful.
Tau 1001 pts
Only 1000 because i barely have enough models to proxy as it is.
I'm new to the battlefield. I've watched a few games but this is my first real attempt at putting together an army list. Any recommendations/advice would be helpful.
Tau 1001 pts
Only 1000 because i barely have enough models to proxy as it is.
two more individual suits is my recommendation, you would save points on the target locks. You could upgrade them to be sergeants of their own squad if you really wanted, but you don't need to.
two more individual suits is my recommendation, you would save points on the target locks. You could upgrade them to be sergeants of their own squad if you really wanted, but you don't need to.
I've got 69 points now (less the taget lock, wargear and drones).
You could buy more warriors, or another suit, or maybe skimp on something and grab a devilfish? (they are 75 pts right?)
they're 80. and I've actually got 79 pts , so its possible . Also is there a limit on the number if individual suits (elites) I can take?
3 squads of 1-3 IIRC. You were @ 1001 at last count, so a devilfish would put you @ 1k even, it might be handy, or you could take the Hammerhead + the 79 pts and buy broadsides.
You could buy more warriors, or another suit, or maybe skimp on something and grab a devilfish? (they are 75 pts right?)
they're 80. and I've actually got 79 pts , so its possible . Also is there a limit on the number if individual suits (elites) I can take?
3 squads of 1-3 IIRC. You were @ 1001 at last count, so a devilfish would put you @ 1k even, it might be handy, or you could take the Hammerhead + the 79 pts and buy broadsides.
I think I'm going to take 2 more crisis for the elite squads (2 squads of 2 + the commander), drop the hammerhead and 8 FW and take a team of 3 broadsides. After changing the weapon options around a bit, it should be possible to get an even 1k
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How about a
If being not being "labeled as a loser" is so worth it to you, then maybe these games aren't for you. There's got to be a winner and a loser in these types of games.
And the thing here is that you can't use what you want and be labeled a loser. No one else is making that claim. I'm taking a dreadnought in my Thousand Sons army. Is the most effective points buy? Probably not, but I like the model I made for it, and I think it's cool that it goes batshit insane and can shoot my own guys. It's fun, and if someone calls me a "loser" so be it. I like my dread.
So, I after taking in suggestions and reading the thread, I decided that Grey Knights would probably be a bad idea for me, especially because I'd probably be tempted to run like an 11 model army with too many upgrades. I keep hearing mention that Necrons are an easy army to learn and an inexpensive one to boot. Plus, I can freely paint them metallic without feeling bad. So, I've been giving the immortal machines a good looking at as a starting army according to you guys' advice.
Does anyone have any suggestions regarding Necrons at 500 points? Is the the starter set a good idea for them? (I'm at work, so can't check if there is even one for necrons.)
Also, I'm worried my list will essentially be 1xNecron Lord, 1xHeavy Destroyer, 40xNecron Warriors. I just want some variation in my models. Is this an unfounded or a reasonable fear for Necrons at small points?
Two reasons it appears that way to you, Shrimpy:
1) You exagerrate every suggestion made to alter your list as an authoratative demand to turn it into a min/maxed powergamer list.
2) Your ideas in previous cases of adding 'what you want' has consistently involved loading units with an excess of a specialized option, equiping a unit for multiple contradictory roles, including too many elite/specialized units and too few core units, attempting to maintain symmetry or numbers that aren't necessary, or just trying to overplay exagerrated or just plain misunderstood themes and strategies you think the army has (see point one).
...
I get the impression I'm the only one who finds these long clawshrimpy debates amusing.
28 Necron Warriors
7 Scarab Swarm Bases
3 Necron Destroyers
Pretty good starter force I think. I would think Necron at smaller point levels would be about what you described. A couple Squads of Warriors, Lord, and either Destoyer variant. My Necron knowledge is purely theory. 500 points isn't that big and Necrons aren't cheap points wise, and phase out might be more of an issue at those smaller points values.
You usually have a large core of warriors, the big variation is 'do I want to teleport around with warriors/immortals' or 'do I want to use a ton of regular Destroyers' - they are both fun lists. I wouldn't personally recommend the 'cron army box, IIRC it comes with alot of stuff you won't wind up using.
Edit: That's actually a pretty good army box. 500pts is gonna be a 10-minute game anyway, so start with whatever helps you learn the basic units the best.
They're pretty funny, it's just sad because a solid chunk of the gamer population takes the same approach to army design/gameplay that he does.
FYI shrimpy, you can have a decent list without it being this horrific nightmare of minmaxing cheese that you describe (not that it would matter, those lists are usually fun to play, and make your opponent bring a better list, which usually helps you both grow as players)
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I'm looking into a small Ravenwing list that I might be tempted to actually buy as a second force..
Master of Ravenwing on Jetbike
6 Bikes - 2* Plasma gun
6 Bikes - 2* Plasma gun
3 Landspeeders
999pts (It also comes to £115 so it isn't TOO expensive)
I know the ravenwing this way is mobile, but what do you think of this list for a 1000pts? In friendly battle I would be playing, only one list has one tank so i'm not too worried about tanks.. I mean !one! (all 10pts of it) of my ferinisian Wolves managed to immobilize it for a turn. so I would assume enough bike dakka dakka could poke some holes into things.
At 500 points you've really only got room for your required two Warrior units and a Lord, so you don't really have room to worry about variety until medium games. From there you can tack on Immortals, two types of scarabs and destroyers (can't comment on the effectiveness of the former, but it's at least variety), Maybe Wraiths or Pariahs if you fidn a use for them, and everyone's favorite, the Monolith.
Whatever happens I'm having a blast. Of course I play more for the narrative and fluff than anything else, so I may be unique. 8-)
If your interested, I have a ravenwing battleforce box sitting in my basement minus a single biker. I could give you a discount on it. :P
Straight out of the Litany of Command, that one! :P
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Not Possible.
It's like watching a car crash, you know it's horrible but you just can't take your eyes off it.
The consensus seems to be that your tyranid lists are fine, and it's probably your tactics that need work. A couple of detailed battle reports might help us diagnose why you're losing.
Fixed it up a bit for ya
No, his lists are bad too, we just haven't gotten to work on them because his ideology is in the way.
Tau 1001 pts
Only 1000 because i barely have enough models to proxy as it is.
HQ
Shas'o - 128 pts
-Twin-linked Missile-pod
-Plasma rifle
-Bonding knife
-Hard-wired targer lock
-Hard-wired multi-tracker
-Hard-wired drone controller
Shas'vre - 71 pts
-Flamer
-Plasma Rifle
-Target Array
-Hard-wired target lock
-Hard-wired multi-tracker
-Hard-wired drone controller
Shas'vre - 87 pts
-Fusion blaster
-Plasma Rifle
-Target Array
-Hard-wired target lock
-Hard-wired multi-tracker
-Hard-wired drone controller
2 shield drones - 30 pts
Heavy Support
Sniper Drone Team - 80 pts
Hammerhead - 175
-Railgun
-Smart missile system
-Multi-tracker
-Target Lock
Troop
42 Fire warriors - 430 pts
Dispersed
12 - with markerlight
10
10
10
I have the entire codex in a spreadsheet so changing things around should be pretty easy
If you split the crisis suits into seperate teams you could save some points on the target locks. Are the bodyguards bs4? I can't remember.
My mind just shut down trying to imagine having too much armor. It was something like trying to imagine infinity.
bs3 ws3
the regular ones are only ws2
so you saying take the two as a squad rather than bodyguards? or two more individual suits?
I've got 69 points now (less the taget lock, wargear and drones).
Drop a few FW and take some kroot maybe?
they're 80. and I've actually got 79 pts , so its possible . Also is there a limit on the number if individual suits (elites) I can take?
If I were to go and sell my Tyranids for extra funbucks, What would be another army that would be good for me to try one last time.
Have the Orks changed much from when I tried them before the codex came out?
3 squads of 1-3 IIRC. You were @ 1001 at last count, so a devilfish would put you @ 1k even, it might be handy, or you could take the Hammerhead + the 79 pts and buy broadsides.
What? I just want to try one last time.
Damn you! That was the exact picture I was about to post.
I think I'm going to take 2 more crisis for the elite squads (2 squads of 2 + the commander), drop the hammerhead and 8 FW and take a team of 3 broadsides. After changing the weapon options around a bit, it should be possible to get an even 1k