The first post was deliberately accusatory so that we'd all rush to EA's defence and say how much we like them now.
It's an insidious marketer! GET HIM!
Don't forget the plants as well.
EA Apologists all up in here.
EA says they've changed. It still remains to be seen if it's enough, because they're still up to their same old shit.
They're bringing it back with some good games, man. Like Skate, Mirror's Edge and Dead Space. I'm sure other people will say some others.
Mirror's Edge could still turn out to be pretty crappy you know (gameplay-wise, not graphics-wise obviously). I wouldn't sing its praises before it's out, it could really go either way.
EA also kinda own Bioware and Pandemic and are not fucking them up. Yet.
EA bought them less than 1 year ago and neither has gone through a full development cycle in the meantime.
Hopefully EA has learned from their many, many mistakes.
But the deal with copy-protection in Mass Effect and Spore that was posted about a while back certainly never would have occurred before the buyout.
Really? I remember pretty clearly the original NWN's copy protection giving people severe issues, enough so that devs were linking the no-cd cracks on the company's forums for people. And I remember because I was one of the ones helped by them.
Yes, they did have some crappy cd-checks on the NWN disk (which were later removed). What is on the Mass Effect disc is a completely different beast altogether.
Peter Molyneux said he left Bullfrog largely because he wanted to focus on a small company mentality and the size and bearocracy had gotten in the way.
This is hardly an EA-exclusive issue though. Lots of companies rush games out the door before they are finished. From Nintendo to Ubisoft.
Nintendo?
Wind Waker for example. Cut dungeons to rush it out on time. There's remains of them still in the game, like Jabu Jabu.
Usually the connotation behind "rushing" out a game is that it is usually inherently bad. That's not the case with Wind Waker.
Then you and I just have different definitions. I would call cutting a whopping 3 out of 8 dungeons (that is like, 37.5%, right? So well over a third of the core content) just to get a game out the door for the holiday season, "rushing". Maybe you have lower standards. Potayto potahto.
Really my only complaint with Wind Waker was how empty things were when sailing from place to place. Having a few more dungeons implemented probably would have alleviated that a bit.
The first post was deliberately accusatory so that we'd all rush to EA's defence and say how much we like them now.
It's an insidious marketer! GET HIM!
Don't forget the plants as well.
EA Apologists all up in here.
EA says they've changed. It still remains to be seen if it's enough, because they're still up to their same old shit.
They're bringing it back with some good games, man. Like Skate, Mirror's Edge and Dead Space. I'm sure other people will say some others.
Mirror's Edge could still turn out to be pretty crappy you know (gameplay-wise, not graphics-wise obviously). I wouldn't sing its praises before it's out, it could really go either way.
Worst case scenario is that it's another Assassin's creed.
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EA also kinda own Bioware and Pandemic and are not fucking them up. Yet.
EA bought them less than 1 year ago and neither has gone through a full development cycle in the meantime.
Hopefully EA has learned from their many, many mistakes.
But the deal with copy-protection in Mass Effect and Spore that was posted about a while back certainly never would have occurred before the buyout.
Really? I remember pretty clearly the original NWN's copy protection giving people severe issues, enough so that devs were linking the no-cd cracks on the company's forums for people. And I remember because I was one of the ones helped by them.
Yes, they did have some crappy cd-checks on the NWN disk (which were later removed). What is on the Mass Effect disc is a completely different beast altogether.
I understand that... either way, however, it's a shitty copy protection scheme, long before EA was even remotely interested, and made the game unplayable for many people.
If they never took over small quality game producers there wouldn't have been a problem. Since I don't have to buy their games, and I still don't. But the companies I used to buy games from don't put out their games anymore, or it's just crap.
This is hardly an EA-exclusive issue though. Lots of companies rush games out the door before they are finished. From Nintendo to Ubisoft.
Nintendo?
Wind Waker for example. Cut dungeons to rush it out on time. There's remains of them still in the game, like Jabu Jabu.
Usually the connotation behind "rushing" out a game is that it is usually inherently bad. That's not the case with Wind Waker.
Then you and I just have different definitions. I would call cutting a whopping 3 out of 8 dungeons (that is like, 37.5%, right? So well over a third of the core content) just to get a game out the door for the holiday season, "rushing". Maybe you have lower standards. Potayto potahto.
I haven't heard about these dungeons, but I'm guessing they aren't complete dungeons. If that were the case, I think it rather odd that Nintendo wouldn't just delay the game like it did with Twilight Princess.
Pretty much what everyone else said, no one hates EA anymore except for the irrational.
Hell, I never hated EA, but that's basically because I didn't give a shit about any of those companies they killed.
Oh god, what happened? It stinks like console gamer in here.
:P
Hey, I'm not gonna deny it. I'm not a PC gamer, never have been and never will me. So that giant list mentioned beforehand, "Wing Commander. Ultima. Dungeon Keeper. Populous. Syndicate. Magic Carpet. Sim Tower/Life/City etc... Dune. Lands of Lore"...yeah. Pretty much meant nothing.
So... why should we care about what you think? No offence, but you seem to be saying "I have no strong opinion on this matter, because I do not know what the hell I am talking about!"
Edit: So late.
Because there are other things to hate them for other than their acquisition of certain PC developers, things like buying exclusive rights for NFL, spawning out generic games and samey sequels, the whole "EA wife" thing or whatever that was called (the blog from the wife of an EA worker who was worked to holy hell).
The first post was deliberately accusatory so that we'd all rush to EA's defence and say how much we like them now.
It's an insidious marketer! GET HIM!
Don't forget the plants as well.
EA Apologists all up in here.
EA says they've changed. It still remains to be seen if it's enough, because they're still up to their same old shit.
They're bringing it back with some good games, man. Like Skate, Mirror's Edge and Dead Space. I'm sure other people will say some others.
Mirror's Edge could still turn out to be pretty crappy you know (gameplay-wise, not graphics-wise obviously). I wouldn't sing its praises before it's out, it could really go either way.
Worst case scenario is that it's another Assassin's creed.
Peter Molyneux said he left Bullfrog largely because he wanted to focus on a small company mentality and the size and bearocracy had gotten in the way.
Damn bears ruining our gameses
It's why they named the new studio Lionhead. To fight the bears you see.
Pretty much what everyone else said, no one hates EA anymore except for the irrational.
Hell, I never hated EA, but that's basically because I didn't give a shit about any of those companies they killed.
Oh god, what happened? It stinks like console gamer in here.
:P
Hey, I'm not gonna deny it. I'm not a PC gamer, never have been and never will me. So that giant list mentioned beforehand, "Wing Commander. Ultima. Dungeon Keeper. Populous. Syndicate. Magic Carpet. Sim Tower/Life/City etc... Dune. Lands of Lore"...yeah. Pretty much meant nothing.
So... why should we care about what you think? No offence, but you seem to be saying "I have no strong opinion on this matter, because I do not know what the hell I am talking about!"
Edit: So late.
Because there are other things to hate them for other than their acquisition of certain PC developers, things like buying exclusive rights for NFL, spawning out generic games and samey sequels, the whole "EA wife" thing or whatever that was called (the blog from the wife of an EA worker who was worked to holy hell).
The EA slave thing was pretty stupid. The whole point of a capitalist society like ours is that you can just pack your bags and go work for someone else if you don't like your current boss. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a game designer at game developer X. You can also be one at game developer Y, or PopCap games, or even do something else entirely like starting up a bagel shoppe in rural Colorado.
Pretty much what everyone else said, no one hates EA anymore except for the irrational.
Hell, I never hated EA, but that's basically because I didn't give a shit about any of those companies they killed.
Oh god, what happened? It stinks like console gamer in here.
:P
Hey, I'm not gonna deny it. I'm not a PC gamer, never have been and never will me. So that giant list mentioned beforehand, "Wing Commander. Ultima. Dungeon Keeper. Populous. Syndicate. Magic Carpet. Sim Tower/Life/City etc... Dune. Lands of Lore"...yeah. Pretty much meant nothing.
So... why should we care about what you think? No offence, but you seem to be saying "I have no strong opinion on this matter, because I do not know what the hell I am talking about!"
Edit: So late.
Because there are other things to hate them for other than their acquisition of certain PC developers, things like buying exclusive rights for NFL, spawning out generic games and samey sequels, the whole "EA wife" thing or whatever that was called (the blog from the wife of an EA worker who was worked to holy hell).
The EA slave thing was pretty stupid. The whole point of a capitalist society like ours is that you can just pack your bags and go work for someone else if you don't like your current boss. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a game designer at game developer X. You can also be one at game developer Y, or PopCap games, or even do something else entirely like starting up a bagel shoppe in rural Colorado.
Actually, that seemed to have been an industry wide problem. It wasn't isolated to just EA. The bigger problem was unpaid overtime since most game companies felt that game programmers didn't fall under that category with regards to current overtime guidelines.
That's something I can definitely dislike about them. The very existence of that crappy store meant that I couldn't get Mass Effect on Steam.
Seriously EA, sort that store out or acquiesce already!
seriously they just need to copy steam. problem solved. or even the blizzard store is quite well done.
so with ea store I pre-ordered a game but it wouldn't update the purchase history so I go to the main page and its still in my shopping cart, unbought. so I put in the details again and oh look now I bought it twice. so I try to cancel one and can't find out how so I use the FAQ and the cancel part says "pre-ordered games can be canceled. shipped games cannot", doesn't actually tell me how to cancel. nice. so I try to go through my purchase history page but I keep on getting java errors and shit wont load.
so now I can only hope their support staff aren't as useless as their website
Pretty much what everyone else said, no one hates EA anymore except for the irrational.
Hell, I never hated EA, but that's basically because I didn't give a shit about any of those companies they killed.
Oh god, what happened? It stinks like console gamer in here.
:P
Hey, I'm not gonna deny it. I'm not a PC gamer, never have been and never will me. So that giant list mentioned beforehand, "Wing Commander. Ultima. Dungeon Keeper. Populous. Syndicate. Magic Carpet. Sim Tower/Life/City etc... Dune. Lands of Lore"...yeah. Pretty much meant nothing.
So... why should we care about what you think? No offence, but you seem to be saying "I have no strong opinion on this matter, because I do not know what the hell I am talking about!"
Edit: So late.
Because there are other things to hate them for other than their acquisition of certain PC developers, things like buying exclusive rights for NFL, spawning out generic games and samey sequels, the whole "EA wife" thing or whatever that was called (the blog from the wife of an EA worker who was worked to holy hell).
The EA slave thing was pretty stupid. The whole point of a capitalist society like ours is that you can just pack your bags and go work for someone else if you don't like your current boss. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a game designer at game developer X. You can also be one at game developer Y, or PopCap games, or even do something else entirely like starting up a bagel shoppe in rural Colorado.
Actually, that seemed to have been an industry wide problem. It wasn't isolated to just EA. The bigger problem was unpaid overtime since most game companies felt that game programmers didn't fall under that category with regards to current overtime guidelines.
That really sucks, but still, nobody is being FORCED to be a game developer at game company X. You can also be a secretary at toy factory Y. Or a journalist at newspaper Z. Etc. That's the whole essence of a free (labor) market.
Pretty much what everyone else said, no one hates EA anymore except for the irrational.
Hell, I never hated EA, but that's basically because I didn't give a shit about any of those companies they killed.
Oh god, what happened? It stinks like console gamer in here.
:P
Hey, I'm not gonna deny it. I'm not a PC gamer, never have been and never will me. So that giant list mentioned beforehand, "Wing Commander. Ultima. Dungeon Keeper. Populous. Syndicate. Magic Carpet. Sim Tower/Life/City etc... Dune. Lands of Lore"...yeah. Pretty much meant nothing.
So... why should we care about what you think? No offence, but you seem to be saying "I have no strong opinion on this matter, because I do not know what the hell I am talking about!"
Edit: So late.
Because there are other things to hate them for other than their acquisition of certain PC developers, things like buying exclusive rights for NFL, spawning out generic games and samey sequels, the whole "EA wife" thing or whatever that was called (the blog from the wife of an EA worker who was worked to holy hell).
The EA slave thing was pretty stupid. The whole point of a capitalist society like ours is that you can just pack your bags and go work for someone else if you don't like your current boss. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a game designer at game developer X. You can also be one at game developer Y, or PopCap games, or even do something else entirely like starting up a bagel shoppe in rural Colorado.
Actually, that seemed to have been an industry wide problem. It wasn't isolated to just EA. The bigger problem was unpaid overtime since most game companies felt that game programmers didn't fall under that category with regards to current overtime guidelines.
That really sucks, but still, nobody is being FORCED to be a game developer at game company X. You can also be a secretary at toy factory Y. Or a journalist at newspaper Z. Etc. That's the whole essence of a free (labor) market.
Do you have a family to support? Do you know how much of a bitch it is to just up and leave your job? With today's job market?
Pretty much what everyone else said, no one hates EA anymore except for the irrational.
Hell, I never hated EA, but that's basically because I didn't give a shit about any of those companies they killed.
Oh god, what happened? It stinks like console gamer in here.
:P
Hey, I'm not gonna deny it. I'm not a PC gamer, never have been and never will me. So that giant list mentioned beforehand, "Wing Commander. Ultima. Dungeon Keeper. Populous. Syndicate. Magic Carpet. Sim Tower/Life/City etc... Dune. Lands of Lore"...yeah. Pretty much meant nothing.
So... why should we care about what you think? No offence, but you seem to be saying "I have no strong opinion on this matter, because I do not know what the hell I am talking about!"
Edit: So late.
Because there are other things to hate them for other than their acquisition of certain PC developers, things like buying exclusive rights for NFL, spawning out generic games and samey sequels, the whole "EA wife" thing or whatever that was called (the blog from the wife of an EA worker who was worked to holy hell).
The EA slave thing was pretty stupid. The whole point of a capitalist society like ours is that you can just pack your bags and go work for someone else if you don't like your current boss. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a game designer at game developer X. You can also be one at game developer Y, or PopCap games, or even do something else entirely like starting up a bagel shoppe in rural Colorado.
Actually, that seemed to have been an industry wide problem. It wasn't isolated to just EA. The bigger problem was unpaid overtime since most game companies felt that game programmers didn't fall under that category with regards to current overtime guidelines.
That really sucks, but still, nobody is being FORCED to be a game developer at game company X. You can also be a secretary at toy factory Y. Or a journalist at newspaper Z. Etc. That's the whole essence of a free (labor) market.
Do you have a family to support? Do you know how much of a bitch it is to just up and leave your job? With today's job market?
Yeah but you see because you aren't a slave you don't get to complain about your job if you choose to remain at it. I mean beyond a certain threshold. this isnt 'today's job market' anyways, this was years ago.
That whole EA wife thing was a load of crap anyways. One small fraction of the vast workforce and somehow EA is painted as the devil.
I've worked under worse conditions as an intern than the ea husband did. you know what i did. fucking quit.
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Bad form it may be, I have to say it: I told you so.
EA isn't much the machine (the kind we're all supposed to rage against) they were when they killed off beloved Westwood. Not that they've made up for it, but they're on their path toward it.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Pretty much what everyone else said, no one hates EA anymore except for the irrational.
Hell, I never hated EA, but that's basically because I didn't give a shit about any of those companies they killed.
Oh god, what happened? It stinks like console gamer in here.
:P
Hey, I'm not gonna deny it. I'm not a PC gamer, never have been and never will me. So that giant list mentioned beforehand, "Wing Commander. Ultima. Dungeon Keeper. Populous. Syndicate. Magic Carpet. Sim Tower/Life/City etc... Dune. Lands of Lore"...yeah. Pretty much meant nothing.
So... why should we care about what you think? No offence, but you seem to be saying "I have no strong opinion on this matter, because I do not know what the hell I am talking about!"
Edit: So late.
Because there are other things to hate them for other than their acquisition of certain PC developers, things like buying exclusive rights for NFL, spawning out generic games and samey sequels, the whole "EA wife" thing or whatever that was called (the blog from the wife of an EA worker who was worked to holy hell).
The EA slave thing was pretty stupid. The whole point of a capitalist society like ours is that you can just pack your bags and go work for someone else if you don't like your current boss. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a game designer at game developer X. You can also be one at game developer Y, or PopCap games, or even do something else entirely like starting up a bagel shoppe in rural Colorado.
Actually, that seemed to have been an industry wide problem. It wasn't isolated to just EA. The bigger problem was unpaid overtime since most game companies felt that game programmers didn't fall under that category with regards to current overtime guidelines.
That really sucks, but still, nobody is being FORCED to be a game developer at game company X. You can also be a secretary at toy factory Y. Or a journalist at newspaper Z. Etc. That's the whole essence of a free (labor) market.
Do you have a family to support? Do you know how much of a bitch it is to just up and leave your job? With today's job market?
You are describing market failure. You can't really hold a single company like EA accountable for that.
Did anybody mention their adamant denial to support the Dreamcast? I mean, maybe they were moneyhatted by Sony, but it still made little to no sense, and goddamn did it sting.
Didn't kill the DC. But sure didn't help matters much either.
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I like the recent direction they're taking. not just in games but in business. for example, the company making Warhammer online was renamed to EA mythic when they were bought by EA... not anymore. they're back to being called Mythic entertainment.
Why are you sad, there seem to be more Command and Conquer games coming out these days than ever before. I myself am pretty excited about Red Alert 3, which looks gorgeous and awesome.
I like the recent direction they're taking. not just in games but in business. for example, the company making Warhammer online was renamed to EA mythic when they were bought by EA... not anymore. they're back to being called Mythic entertainment.
Names don't say much though. You could have a typical subsidiary name like Paramount Vantage and have complete autonomy, or your very own name yet still be totally controlled by the corporate headquarters in everything you do. A name is just a name.
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Usually the connotation behind "rushing" out a game is that it is usually inherently bad. That's not the case with Wind Waker.
Also, OP misspelled Activision.
Yes, they did have some crappy cd-checks on the NWN disk (which were later removed). What is on the Mass Effect disc is a completely different beast altogether.
Damn bears ruining our gameses
I understand that... either way, however, it's a shitty copy protection scheme, long before EA was even remotely interested, and made the game unplayable for many people.
I haven't heard about these dungeons, but I'm guessing they aren't complete dungeons. If that were the case, I think it rather odd that Nintendo wouldn't just delay the game like it did with Twilight Princess.
Because there are other things to hate them for other than their acquisition of certain PC developers, things like buying exclusive rights for NFL, spawning out generic games and samey sequels, the whole "EA wife" thing or whatever that was called (the blog from the wife of an EA worker who was worked to holy hell).
One of my favourite games of 2007? Count me in.
It's why they named the new studio Lionhead. To fight the bears you see.
The EA slave thing was pretty stupid. The whole point of a capitalist society like ours is that you can just pack your bags and go work for someone else if you don't like your current boss. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a game designer at game developer X. You can also be one at game developer Y, or PopCap games, or even do something else entirely like starting up a bagel shoppe in rural Colorado.
Securom.
Rock Band is just a poor man's Guitar Hero.
Madden is a non thinking man's Tecmo Bowl.
Dead Space is just Star Trek with light bloom.
Mass Effect is just Baldur's Gate in spaaace with lots of green.
Spore is just Sims mixed with black and white mixed with suck.
All the games that EA makes are just a bunch of dots on a screen! I mean, come on, that shit's been around for decades.
Actually, that seemed to have been an industry wide problem. It wasn't isolated to just EA. The bigger problem was unpaid overtime since most game companies felt that game programmers didn't fall under that category with regards to current overtime guidelines.
Also, Mirror's Edge is just Prince of Persia in first person.
You are most certainly not fucking doing it right.
Mass Effect is Baldur's Gate in spaaace with lots of blue.
How does something like that happen?
seriously they just need to copy steam. problem solved. or even the blizzard store is quite well done.
so with ea store I pre-ordered a game but it wouldn't update the purchase history so I go to the main page and its still in my shopping cart, unbought. so I put in the details again and oh look now I bought it twice. so I try to cancel one and can't find out how so I use the FAQ and the cancel part says "pre-ordered games can be canceled. shipped games cannot", doesn't actually tell me how to cancel. nice. so I try to go through my purchase history page but I keep on getting java errors and shit wont load.
so now I can only hope their support staff aren't as useless as their website
I mean on one hand, he is clearly joking. On the other, he is Somestickguy. So I just can't tell.
Edited to make it more asshole-y.
Do you have a family to support? Do you know how much of a bitch it is to just up and leave your job? With today's job market?
Yeah but you see because you aren't a slave you don't get to complain about your job if you choose to remain at it. I mean beyond a certain threshold. this isnt 'today's job market' anyways, this was years ago.
That whole EA wife thing was a load of crap anyways. One small fraction of the vast workforce and somehow EA is painted as the devil.
I've worked under worse conditions as an intern than the ea husband did. you know what i did. fucking quit.
EA isn't much the machine (the kind we're all supposed to rage against) they were when they killed off beloved Westwood. Not that they've made up for it, but they're on their path toward it.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Didn't kill the DC. But sure didn't help matters much either.
YOU SHUT THE HELL UP!
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