If we're going to protect little viral fetuses then we should protect dogs with the same rules too.
A fetus can't learn to high five, for example.
Sure it can, give it five or six years.
At that point it's not a fetus anymore.
Oh so we shouldn't give infants any legal protections, by the time they can think and speak they're no longer infants after all! Great counter bro.
Yes, this is exactly the strawman I was attempting to create. Thank you for doing it for me. Because, as we all know, a fetus a few weeks after implantation is just the same as a toddler.
deacon you are mentally disabled if you do not acknowledge the link between wealth and party affiliation
Whose wealth? Because I'm pretty sure that we just showed that there isn't much of a link in the actual congresspeople. Also, while some obscenely wealthy business tycoon types with monocles and shit are probably Republicans, a bunch of showering-in-bottled-water Hollywood actors are Democrats. There are dirt-poor people in the cities who are Democrats, even if they don't actually vote. There are crazy-ass rednecks with $10 to their names living in trailers who support the Republicans.
Since when do we base our public policy around defending the lives of those who would inconvenience our society?
since the Democrats stopped god fearing American soldiers from making naked terrorist piles
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There are plenty of poor Republicans.
Working class people notice taxes and they notice a 1% decrease a lot more than someone of high net worth notices a 10% decrease.
Granted they'd probably make out better under Dems, but perception > truth. Anyway if it weren't for working poor and middle class republicans the south would basically never have gone competitive for Republicans.
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A magician gives you a ring that, when worn, will let you see the world as it truly is.
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
deacon you are mentally disabled if you do not acknowledge the link between wealth and party affiliation
Whose wealth? Because I'm pretty sure that we just showed that there isn't much of a link in the actual congresspeople. Also, while some obscenely wealthy business tycoon types with monocles and shit are probably Republicans, a bunch of showering-in-bottled-water Hollywood actors are Democrats. There are dirt-poor people in the cities who are Democrats, even if they don't actually vote. There are crazy-ass rednecks with $10 to their names living in trailers who support the Republicans.
EDIT: Point is, it hasn't been cited.
Plus don't forget the original statement was for white guys.
If we're going to protect little viral fetuses then we should protect dogs with the same rules too.
A fetus can't learn to high five, for example.
Sure it can, give it five or six years.
At that point it's not a fetus anymore.
Oh so we shouldn't give infants any legal protections, by the time they can think and speak they're no longer infants after all! Great counter bro.
Yes, this is exactly the strawman I was attempting to create. Thank you for doing it for me. Because, as we all know, a fetus a few weeks after implantation is just the same as a toddler.
You have failed to point out any actual difference that should result in killing one being treated as murder and killing the other being treated as a personal right.
Women aren't the same as men. Blacks aren't the same as whites. Doesn't mean that they should have different civil rights, especially to the degree of it being illegal to kill one but a personal right to kill the other.
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WeaverWho are you?What do you want?Registered Userregular
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Deacon needs a new hobby besides being a secret nagger
If we're going to protect little viral fetuses then we should protect dogs with the same rules too.
A fetus can't learn to high five, for example.
Sure it can, give it five or six years.
At that point it's not a fetus anymore.
Oh so we shouldn't give infants any legal protections, by the time they can think and speak they're no longer infants after all! Great counter bro.
Yes, this is exactly the strawman I was attempting to create. Thank you for doing it for me. Because, as we all know, a fetus a few weeks after implantation is just the same as a toddler.
You have failed to point out any actual difference that should result in killing one being treated as murder and killing the other being treated as a personal right.
Women aren't the same as men. Blacks aren't the same as whites. Doesn't mean that they should have different civil rights, especially to the degree of it being illegal to kill one but a personal right to kill the other.
if a black dude got all up in my uterus and started siphoning off my bodily fluids i'd probably kill him too
I think it's safe to say that there are way, way more rich white people in the Republican party per capita than in the Democratic party.
cite please
Turns out 51% of Republican congresspeople are millionaires, compared to about 42% for Democrats, and have a greater net worth by $200,000 on average.
$1M net worth is not that much especially for a congress member. If you own a house in your home city, a residence in DC, and have like a 401k you are probably already there.
If we're going to protect little viral fetuses then we should protect dogs with the same rules too.
A fetus can't learn to high five, for example.
Sure it can, give it five or six years.
At that point it's not a fetus anymore.
Oh so we shouldn't give infants any legal protections, by the time they can think and speak they're no longer infants after all! Great counter bro.
Yes, this is exactly the strawman I was attempting to create. Thank you for doing it for me. Because, as we all know, a fetus a few weeks after implantation is just the same as a toddler.
You have failed to point out any actual difference that should result in killing one being treated as murder and killing the other being treated as a personal right.
Women aren't the same as men. Blacks aren't the same as whites. Doesn't mean that they should have different civil rights, especially to the degree of it being illegal to kill one but a personal right to kill the other.
The day dudes can will their sperm to not swim up the fallopian tubes, this will be a valid argument.
Since when do we base our public policy around defending the lives of those who would inconvenience our society?
EDIT: And why the fuck should we start with unwanted pregnancies? Because ruining the lives of the most at-risk is fun?
Inconveniencing our society? Yes one more mouth to feed and all the scrawny Americans will die of hunger until some European model starts a christian mission to feed hot dogs to babies on the south side of Chicago for ONLY TEN CENTS A DAY.
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A magician gives you a ring that, when worn, will let you see the world as it truly is.
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
If we're going to protect little viral fetuses then we should protect dogs with the same rules too.
A fetus can't learn to high five, for example.
Sure it can, give it five or six years.
At that point it's not a fetus anymore.
Oh so we shouldn't give infants any legal protections, by the time they can think and speak they're no longer infants after all! Great counter bro.
Yes, this is exactly the strawman I was attempting to create. Thank you for doing it for me. Because, as we all know, a fetus a few weeks after implantation is just the same as a toddler.
You have failed to point out any actual difference that should result in killing one being treated as murder and killing the other being treated as a personal right.
Women aren't the same as men. Blacks aren't the same as whites. Doesn't mean that they should have different civil rights, especially to the degree of it being illegal to kill one but a personal right to kill the other.
The day dudes can will their sperm to not swim up the fallopian tubes, this will be a valid argument.
What? What I said was "you have yet to show how there's a difference."
Since when do we base our public policy around defending the lives of those who would inconvenience our society?
EDIT: And why the fuck should we start with unwanted pregnancies? Because ruining the lives of the most at-risk is fun?
Inconveniencing our society? Yes one more mouth to feed and all the scrawny Americans will die of hunger until some European model starts a christian mission to feed hot dogs to babies on the south side of Chicago for ONLY TEN CENTS A DAY.
don't think unwanted children aren't a burden on society
all children are a burden on society, those in orphanages moreso than most
If we're going to protect little viral fetuses then we should protect dogs with the same rules too.
A fetus can't learn to high five, for example.
Sure it can, give it five or six years.
At that point it's not a fetus anymore.
Oh so we shouldn't give infants any legal protections, by the time they can think and speak they're no longer infants after all! Great counter bro.
Yes, this is exactly the strawman I was attempting to create. Thank you for doing it for me. Because, as we all know, a fetus a few weeks after implantation is just the same as a toddler.
You have failed to point out any actual difference that should result in killing one being treated as murder and killing the other being treated as a personal right.
Women aren't the same as men. Blacks aren't the same as whites. Doesn't mean that they should have different civil rights, especially to the degree of it being illegal to kill one but a personal right to kill the other.
The day dudes can will their sperm to not swim up the fallopian tubes, this will be a valid argument.
What? What I said was "you have yet to show how there's a difference."
Because it's the best we can do with what we have for stopping unwanted pregnancy. I'm hardly a fan, but I understand the need for it.
The day dudes can will their sperm to not swim up the fallopian tubes, this will be a valid argument.
Between vasectomies, the pill, condoms, simple abstinence mixed with pornography, blow jobs, hand jobs and an assortment of fetishes I dare not mention, what sort of extra assistance do you require to not put semen in a vagina?
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A magician gives you a ring that, when worn, will let you see the world as it truly is.
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
The day dudes can will their sperm to not swim up the fallopian tubes, this will be a valid argument.
Between vasectomies, the pill, condoms, simple abstinence mixed with pornography, blow jobs, hand jobs and an assortment of fetishes I dare not mention, what sort of extra assistance do you require to not put semen in a vagina?
A complete rework of the male brain? Sex ed that doesn't suck? I'm not talking for me, though I do admit, I get a bit nervous every time my fiancee is a bit late for her period.
This will always come down to a line in the sand argument anyway as to when a person is a person.
I agree. Since the answer can't really be proven objectively, isn't it our responsibility to err on the side of caution and go with the most conservative line with even a shred of reasonability?
The day dudes can will their sperm to not swim up the fallopian tubes, this will be a valid argument.
Between vasectomies, the pill, condoms, simple abstinence mixed with pornography, blow jobs, hand jobs and an assortment of fetishes I dare not mention, what sort of extra assistance do you require to not put semen in a vagina?
A complete rework of the male brain? Sex ed that doesn't suck? I'm not talking for me, though I do admit, I get a bit nervous every time my fiancee is a bit late for her period.
Put on a fucking condom. This isn't brain surgery.
This will always come down to a line in the sand argument anyway as to when a person is a person.
I agree. Since the answer can't really be proven objectively, isn't it our responsibility to err on the side of caution and go with the most conservative line with even a shred of reasonability?
The line that raises crime and ruins families and lives and costs metric fucktons of money? I'm not so sure. Though I am a fence sitter on this one (which always surprises my friends since I am politically left of center on many issues), mostly because I was about to be aborted, and was then adopted instead!
This will always come down to a line in the sand argument anyway as to when a person is a person.
I agree. Since the answer can't really be proven objectively, isn't it our responsibility to err on the side of caution and go with the most conservative line with even a shred of reasonability?
The line that raises crime and ruins families and lives and costs metric fucktons of money? I'm not so sure. Though I am a fence sitter on this one (which always surprises my friends since I am politically left of center on many issues), mostly because I was about to be aborted, and was then adopted instead!
This exchange is making me seriously rethink my position then.
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Yes, this is exactly the strawman I was attempting to create. Thank you for doing it for me. Because, as we all know, a fetus a few weeks after implantation is just the same as a toddler.
I consider it sort of a personal responsibility to let people know what bodily discharges are palatable and which should just be given to the dog.
EDIT: And why the fuck should we start with unwanted pregnancies? Because ruining the lives of the most at-risk is fun?
Whose wealth? Because I'm pretty sure that we just showed that there isn't much of a link in the actual congresspeople. Also, while some obscenely wealthy business tycoon types with monocles and shit are probably Republicans, a bunch of showering-in-bottled-water Hollywood actors are Democrats. There are dirt-poor people in the cities who are Democrats, even if they don't actually vote. There are crazy-ass rednecks with $10 to their names living in trailers who support the Republicans.
EDIT: Point is, it hasn't been cited.
since the Democrats stopped god fearing American soldiers from making naked terrorist piles
Working class people notice taxes and they notice a 1% decrease a lot more than someone of high net worth notices a 10% decrease.
Granted they'd probably make out better under Dems, but perception > truth. Anyway if it weren't for working poor and middle class republicans the south would basically never have gone competitive for Republicans.
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
That shit would have gone over great on xtube dogg.
Man where were you in the 1860s.
Sarcasm with sarcasm. En garde deacon!
EDIT: seriously though, necessary evil type stuff.
because it is one topic that never ever goes anywhere
FOOT SWEATERS
Plus don't forget the original statement was for white guys.
way to stereotype us weaver
some of us are just saying the first retarded thing that pops into our heads
You have failed to point out any actual difference that should result in killing one being treated as murder and killing the other being treated as a personal right.
Women aren't the same as men. Blacks aren't the same as whites. Doesn't mean that they should have different civil rights, especially to the degree of it being illegal to kill one but a personal right to kill the other.
if a black dude got all up in my uterus and started siphoning off my bodily fluids i'd probably kill him too
I've been trying to reach you, but your extension cord doesn't reach that far.
FOOT SWEATERS
RUF! RUF! RUF!
$1M net worth is not that much especially for a congress member. If you own a house in your home city, a residence in DC, and have like a 401k you are probably already there.
The day dudes can will their sperm to not swim up the fallopian tubes, this will be a valid argument.
I've been trying to reach you, but your extension cord doesn't reach that far.
Inconveniencing our society? Yes one more mouth to feed and all the scrawny Americans will die of hunger until some European model starts a christian mission to feed hot dogs to babies on the south side of Chicago for ONLY TEN CENTS A DAY.
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
What? What I said was "you have yet to show how there's a difference."
But I'm pretty open about my race (can someone ban weaver please)
don't think unwanted children aren't a burden on society
all children are a burden on society, those in orphanages moreso than most
Because it's the best we can do with what we have for stopping unwanted pregnancy. I'm hardly a fan, but I understand the need for it.
Right, yes. financial inconvenience, way of life, property rights, etc.
I've heard it all before.
In the 1860s.
About black people.
Between vasectomies, the pill, condoms, simple abstinence mixed with pornography, blow jobs, hand jobs and an assortment of fetishes I dare not mention, what sort of extra assistance do you require to not put semen in a vagina?
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
Freedom to do vs. Freedom not to. This will always come down to a line in the sand argument anyway as to when a person is a person.
I've been trying to reach you, but your extension cord doesn't reach that far.
A complete rework of the male brain? Sex ed that doesn't suck? I'm not talking for me, though I do admit, I get a bit nervous every time my fiancee is a bit late for her period.
What
I agree. Since the answer can't really be proven objectively, isn't it our responsibility to err on the side of caution and go with the most conservative line with even a shred of reasonability?
The line that raises crime and ruins families and lives and costs metric fucktons of money? I'm not so sure. Though I am a fence sitter on this one (which always surprises my friends since I am politically left of center on many issues), mostly because I was about to be aborted, and was then adopted instead!
Yeeaaaaaaaah! Yeaaaaaahhhh!
Eck
This exchange is making me seriously rethink my position then.
Can't cut it? Too bad.