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angry atacking cat

Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
edited September 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
iv had a few problems with my cat over the last few years and you guys and gals have helped me.

heres the newest problem.


at the end of teh day. i start to turn off everything in my house (tv compy etc) ready for bed. this seems to really annoy my cat. and he actuly looks angry. i go up and get into bed and the point i tern my back on him he'll go for me. claws and teeth and draw blood. soem times its after ive got into bed and hes clawed and bitten my head.. if i lock him out he he makes a cry like a baby. and tryed to claw up the carpet to get in.

its as if he dosnt want me to go to bed.

he a perfictly normal cat the rest of the time. he gets played with and snuggles up on my lap.


any help much apresated

(sorry for bad spelling in dislexic)

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    what were the previous problems, because this sounds pretty weird.

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  • Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    he used to wake me up every day at 4:30 am. this went on for about 5 months. but them we moved house and he stayed with my brother for 3 weeks and he came back and he no longer did it.

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  • ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Lock him out of your room and ignore him at night. The crying and yowling will stop eventually, but it may take a LONG time. This is really the only way to "train" a cat. If you give in to him, he will never, ever learn.

    Once the yowling stops and stays stopped for a few weeks, you can experiment with leaving your room open at night, if you wish. He has to learn, though, that bedtime is going to happen weather he likes it or not. If he's going to be physically agressive, he's going to sleep alone.

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  • Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    yeah thats what i have been doing locking him out. hes been haveing a right go at ripping up my carpet. my places is rented so if the land lord finds out im in the shit.

    i have been locking him out for about 2 weeks now.

    any idears why he hates me going to sleep? so much so he draws blood in his atacks. he can latch onto an arm with his teeth. and the go pshyco with all his limbs tareing your arm up. im only going to sleep. hes asleep about 14 hours a day . let me have my 7 hours

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  • Descendant XDescendant X Skyrim is my god now. Outpost 31Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Cut his nails and he'll be less able to draw blood when he scratches.

    Other than that, I have no idea.

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    any idears why he hates me going to sleep? so much so he draws blood in his atacks. he can latch onto an arm with his teeth. and the go pshyco with all his limbs tareing your arm up. im only going to sleep. hes asleep about 14 hours a day . let me have my 7 hours

    My cat, and many other cats I have known, get a sense of how to "play" with humans. My cat will latch on, bite, scratch and generally rough me up... if she didn't know exactly how hard to bite and scratch without causing damage.

    It sounds like 1) your cat wants to play/hang out around bedtime, and 2) doesn't really have a good grasp on "good" playing.

    When he "attacks" does he hiss and get pissed off, or does he "play fight"?

    The best advice that seems to usually solve the issue: Tire the guy out before bed. get a laser pointer or other toy and just let him go nuts 1/2 hour before you turn in.

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  • ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Claw caps. Get some. And a laser pointer and run him until he wont stand up before you go to bed.

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  • exmelloexmello Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I carry my kitty into bed and try to get her to sit still. She usually gets bored really quick and finds something else to do. If I don't do this she scares the shit out of me by yelling in my face just as I'm about to fall asleep or goes nuts "kneading" me.

    So basically: Reverse Psychology. Cats are rebellious. If you want less attention, give him more.

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  • Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    hes angery its not playing. hes kinda hiss/ growling. i play lazer pointer and fetch with him for most of the evening. and i have even tryed feeding him earlyer and later to see if that makes any diffrence.

    but hes defnatly not playing . i have play fights with him with toys and stuff.

    hes deffnatly very angry about me going to bed. and this is triggerd as soon as i start terning things off. last night i wasnig going bed. but i terned off the tv and went to make a drink. and as soon as i terned it off his eyes changed and he jumped and attacked me before i was able to get out of the room.

    you dont think he like watching tv?

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  • AsiinaAsiina ... WaterlooRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    If the aggression is getting really bad you can assert your authority. Take him by the scruff of the neck (DO NOT let his weight hang from this as you can hurt him), but hold him by it and lie him down on his side. Put your hand on the scruff/side of the neck, and hold him down firmly until he relaxes. It might take a few minutes. Just make sure not to hold the front of you might choke him, but if you hold the side/back firmly you can keep him down.

    Do this move IMMEDIATELY after he scratches/takes a swipe/hisses. You can even hiss yourself or make a small noise if you need to. It'll probably take a few times, but he'll eventually learn that you are in charge and that shit is not acceptable. Remember you are both stronger and more patient than a cat. Hold out. You will win the confrontation, and your cat will respect you more.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited September 2009
    Have you tried spraying him with a water bottle when he gets like that?

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    If a dog did this I'd put it down

    Your cat may have a serious brain issue.

    I would not live with that animal

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  • SwashbucklerXXSwashbucklerXX Swashbucklin' Canuck Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    It sounds like your cat may be displaying dominance-related aggression. I learned about that this summer when dealing with one of my cats, who turned on me after he failed to convince our other cat that he should be in charge of the household. He'd be really loving on his terms, but he'd bite if things happened that he didn't initiate or like.

    I got some great advice from the helpline lady at Cats International. They're a non-profit that helps people with cat behaviour problems. They sent me some useful information and got me started on a clicker-training program with my cat. Basically, the goal is to get him to respond to me and respect me as dominant, rather than expecting things to go his way. My cat now comes when called (he didn't before) and has to sit for me before he gets his meals. Just teaching him those things started to change his general behaviour, because he learned that he has to do what I want in order to get what he wants.

    Anyway, I recommend you contact the Cats International folks (you don't have to call long-distance, you can write them a letter and they'll call back... that's what I did). Some of the stuff they sent me about dominance-aggressive cats sounded like yours and I bet they can give you some good advice.

    Edit: Saw the post about asserting dominance with the scruff of the neck. This may work with some cats, but it definitely didn't work with mine. It just made him more angry at me and caused our relationship to go downhill. Overall I think it's more useful with cats to do a positive, rewards-based training program.

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  • Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    It sounds like your cat may be displaying dominance-related aggression. I learned about that this summer when dealing with one of my cats, who turned on me after he failed to convince our other cat that he should be in charge of the household. He'd be really loving on his terms, but he'd bite if things happened that he didn't initiate or like.

    I got some great advice from the helpline lady at Cats International. They're a non-profit that helps people with cat behaviour problems. They sent me some useful information and got me started on a clicker-training program with my cat. Basically, the goal is to get him to respond to me and respect me as dominant, rather than expecting things to go his way. My cat now comes when called (he didn't before) and has to sit for me before he gets his meals. Just teaching him those things started to change his general behaviour, because he learned that he has to do what I want in order to get what he wants.

    Anyway, I recommend you contact the Cats International folks (you don't have to call long-distance, you can write them a letter and they'll call back... that's what I did). Some of the stuff they sent me about dominance-aggressive cats sounded like yours and I bet they can give you some good advice.

    Edit: Saw the post about asserting dominance with the scruff of the neck. This may work with some cats, but it definitely didn't work with mine. It just made him more angry at me and caused our relationship to go downhill. Overall I think it's more useful with cats to do a positive, rewards-based training program.

    this sound relly good.

    grabbing him but the scruff doesnt work. ive had him on his side waiting for him to carm for over 10 mins . and hes just got angryer and angryer .

    95% of the hime hes a happy affectionate cat. im gonna look into these cat internation people.

    thank you

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  • SwashbucklerXXSwashbucklerXX Swashbucklin' Canuck Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    You're welcome! Good luck, and I'm glad you're wanting to work with your kitty instead of getting rid of him.

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  • Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    i've read theer website now. and theer good infomation about cat agression.

    im in the uk and they are in the usa.

    there should be people like thet here. i get googleing. unless anyone knows anymore

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  • SwashbucklerXXSwashbucklerXX Swashbucklin' Canuck Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Ah, yes, they'll call Canada but I'm not sure they'll call the UK. I'm looking through the info they sent me... try checking "The Cat who Cried for Help" by Dodman out of the library. You can learn more about clicker training at clickertraining.com, though the site is kind of annoying and requires a registration.

    What I'd do based on what I learned is to start clicker training your cat so that he learns to do certain behaviours at your command. Definitely have something that the cat needs to do before feeding time, so that he knows that he has to do some "work" and listen to you in order to get what he wants. Once your cat has learned to do a thing or two and associates your commands with a positive reward (a click and a treat), turn off a light or the TV and give one of the commands he knows. Have a squirt gun, so that if the cat starts to display aggression when you turn off the light, you squirt and interrupt him. Turn the light back on but don't give him any attention, just let him calm down. Then try again, giving him a command before and after you turn the light off.

    The goal will be to a) ensure that you're the dominant party in the relationship and b) associate bedtime with positive rather than negative impressions for your cat.

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  • BEAST!BEAST! Adventurer Adventure!!!!!Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    My kitten seems to ALWAYS want to play when i want to go to sleep, the problem i think is that he's too tired of playing by like 9pm, but then he wakes up again at 11 ready for action...i have no help for you that others haven't already given, since mine is being playful and curious while yours is being a jerk, but this thread is worthless without pics, so here:

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  • VistiVisti Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I .. I need to go play with my cat now.

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  • ascannerlightlyascannerlightly Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    BEAST! wrote: »
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    a cute kitten AND it's topless owner. someone 5 star this thread.

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  • FallingmanFallingman Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Guys.

    My feline superior has read this post, and has decreed that I must write out his message.

    "Montgomery" wrote:

    When will you humans cease this silly assertion that you are, or ever have been, the dominant species. Until you come to to peace with your position our world, your efforts to "tame" us will continue to be an exercise in futility.

    You said yourself that the master of your house was obviously annoyed at you attempting to dictate his sleeping patterns, yet you persisted. Then what did you do? You turned your back. Bitch, you were asking to get cut.

    Here's what you do. You show some god damn appreciation that we allow you to stay with us. Visit these "Cat Training" websites if you must. They're written by feline HS elements (Human Sympathisers) within our population that attempt to curb your crude attempts at physical domination by allowing you the illusion of psychological superiority. I personally don't subscribe to their ideology and wholeheartedly support your Master's refusal to let your impertinence slide.

    Stop turning off the damn TV. It helps us sleep. And if you do, dont come crying to me next time you're bled as a lesson.

    Monty out.

    -- I'm so sorry.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    If the aggression is getting really bad you can assert your authority. Take him by the scruff of the neck (DO NOT let his weight hang from this as you can hurt him), but hold him by it and lie him down on his side. Put your hand on the scruff/side of the neck, and hold him down firmly until he relaxes. It might take a few minutes. Just make sure not to hold the front of you might choke him, but if you hold the side/back firmly you can keep him down.

    Do this move IMMEDIATELY after he scratches/takes a swipe/hisses. You can even hiss yourself or make a small noise if you need to. It'll probably take a few times, but he'll eventually learn that you are in charge and that shit is not acceptable. Remember you are both stronger and more patient than a cat. Hold out. You will win the confrontation, and your cat will respect you more.

    This is what I do with Loki when he starts getting out of line. Just gently sort of knock him over by his shoulders and hold him down, you'll find it's pretty easy to immobilize them without putting any pressure on them, if their shoulders can't move they're pretty much stuck. You'll notice over time he'll start sort of flopping over on his own when you start and he'll calm down quicker.

    Don't let him get away with shit, just react instantly and consistently.

    At night, lock him out of the room and ignore him completely, like others have said. They don't respond to dominance as readily as dogs, but it is possible to teach them that you're in charge, and things happen when you decide they do, not when they want.

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  • MayGodHaveMercyMayGodHaveMercy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Ummm, what about leaving a couple of things on at night. Maybe start by leaving a few lights and the TV off, and slowly turn more and more off? I don't know much about cats, but it seems logical. My roommate's cat locked himself in the closet all night last night. Which is awesome.

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  • RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Erandus wrote: »
    Claw caps. Get some. And a laser pointer and run him until he wont stand up before you go to bed.

    don't a cat's claws go into their paws?

    do these go in with them?

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  • BelruelBelruel NARUTO FUCKS Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    the site says they do, i was going to send my sister a link to that site later, her cat is an indoors cat, and is a scratcher

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  • Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    lastnight. i played with him much more than normal. (10 mins playing every houre from 6 till 10) and when it was bed time i got out 5 treats he likes. and switched stuff off. but he was more ocupied with whare i was going to put the treats. and he followed me out the room. without cutting my face. i put tearts in his bed and he stayed in there for 2 seconds. came into my room still looking for teats. and cleverly stepped on the peddle bin and got teh wrapper out. fining thet empty. jumped up on my bed and used me to sleep on. only pawed me when i moved. i think he had a good nights sleep

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Maybe the cat just likes to have the TV on. I know my cat did when she was around. She used to get not angry liek yours, but anxious if there was nothing going on at all. I used to leave a radio on, or a TV on without sound and she'd calm down. Just something to look at i guess? I dont know i think she just got lonely and bored easily.

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  • Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    also i think my cat would hate those claw covers and bite them off. he hates aything on him at all. i used to play a silly game where it put little squares of sticky tape on 1 of his feet. and het hold it in the air and shake his foot crazly fats untill it came off. im pretty sure cates hate things on there feet.

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  • ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    also i think my cat would hate those claw covers and bite them off. he hates aything on him at all. i used to play a silly game where it put little squares of sticky tape on 1 of his feet. and het hold it in the air and shake his foot crazly fats untill it came off. im pretty sure cates hate things on there feet.

    Tape on their feet is much different, it fucks with their fur and they can't stand that. Cats hate tape on them anywhere. You can use double sided tape to discourage scratching furniture because they absolutely won't touch the stuff. Most cats tolerate the claw caps very well, though. They can hardly tell they even have them on.
    Raneados wrote: »
    Erandus wrote: »
    Claw caps. Get some. And a laser pointer and run him until he wont stand up before you go to bed.

    don't a cat's claws go into their paws?

    do these go in with them?

    Cat claws always stick out a bit. These don't cover the whole claw, just the portion that's all sharp and pointy. Look at a cat's paws when they're relaxed, and if you push the fur back around one of the claws, you'll see a fair amount of claw is exposed all the time. Half of the cat claw "retraction" is that they simply tip up and out of the way.

    Relaxed:

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    Extended:

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    These particular diagrams are slightly ambiguous as they don't show where the actual flesh ends and turns to fur, but there's always some claw exposed.

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  • BEAST!BEAST! Adventurer Adventure!!!!!Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Erandus wrote: »
    Cat claws always stick out a bit. These don't cover the whole claw, just the portion that's all sharp and pointy. Look at a cat's paws when they're relaxed, and if you push the fur back around one of the claws, you'll see a fair amount of claw is exposed all the time. Half of the cat claw "retraction" is that they simply tip up and out of the way.
    yes, this...these caps stick to the portion that is ALWAYS out...they don't feel a thing and their claws still work as they always have

    or if you don't want to bother with these caps, you could always try kitten mittens:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47D9-U8hn5I

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited September 2009
    my cat loves his caps.

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  • AwkAwk Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I got my gf's cat pink softclaws. They're awesome, but hard to apply alone.

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Awk wrote: »
    I got my gf's cat pink softclaws. They're awesome, but hard to apply alone.

    Is she now a suitable princess?

    The cat... I mean... uh...

    Yeah.

    If my cat "lost" her claws I think she'd actually bite my nose off.

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  • AwkAwk Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    At first she was finicky but after a few minutes she stopped caring. But as a cat 'sheds' its claws, you must replace the softclaws. Once theyre on, theyre pretty much glued til the claw falls off (naturally).

    But yeah, princess... brat... shes fine. The cat wont think its claws are gone, they just wont be very sharp to scratch furniture and stuff. The softclaw part covers the underside where it's sharp.

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