Glorious! The Koopa Kids return was like my favorite part of Superstar Saga.
It was kind of a copout that they had absolutely zero dialog and were reduced to cheap cameos like that. Still nice to have seen that they weren't forgotten though.
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I don't know why it was, but for some reason, giving Luigi a Lightning Ball, compared to Mario's Fireball, seemed like such a perfect fit. It's weird that because of that combination that I think Superstar Saga was my favorite.
Super Paper Mario is the only reason I hesitate on this game. While obviously not an RPG, that game was peppered with enough annoyances, bullshit, and outright developer cockslaping that it turned an otherwise decent game into something I can firmly say I will never have any desire in replaying ever again.
Hopefully they didn't use any of that design philosophy while making this game.
Different developers, so probably not.
Me, I'm more worried about another 2-hour sequence between the last save point and the end of the game. Partners in Time wasn't THAT bad, technically, but close. SS took me forever as well, but I didn't know you could level up the Bros. moves. :P
My only problem with Partners in Time was the "Bag of HP" boss design philosophy. Even if you knew how to beat the boss, you still had a good three to five minutes of pure bashing to grind through, even using your best attacks. In Superstar Saga, the challenge was simply to learn the tells before you screwed up enough to get killed. Once you weren't throwing away turns on healing out the damage you took, the battles ended in a flash. (Especially if you got a few game-breaking equipment combos.)
This. I really wish they'd at least let you see how many HP an enemy has left. At least then, you feel like you're making progress, rather than pissing into an ocean of piss and wondering how it's holding up.
It was kind of a copout that they had absolutely zero dialog and were reduced to cheap cameos like that. Still nice to have seen that they weren't forgotten though.
Agreed, we were denied a glorious opportunity for characterization and return dialogue. Sigh.
Anyway, Super Mario RPG, I liked well enough. My only grievance is that Square Enix seems to own it lock, stock, and barrel, save for the stuff which originated with Mario, which is ironically a small part of the game. And I'm not big on having the stuff locked up by SE, so that's why I'm fine if we never get a "true" SMRPG2.
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga was a fun but tedious/frustrating affair for me. Besides the Bros. Moves I mentioned above, I found travel to be harrowing. Constantly switching who was in back, who was in front, and who was equipped with which move at which time got a bit old after a while. For that, I was thankful for the more streamlined movement of Partners in Time. You either control the babies, the adults, or the adults carrying the babies. Special moves on or off. Simple.
Also, I didn't like being killed before I could even react by the final boss while the Bros. were face down. That led to a lot of grinding on my part to ensure that such a thing would not happen again.
And the ending just didn't seem worth the effort to me.
On the other hand, I went on to play Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door almost straight after. And it was nothing short of glorious. My favorite Mario RPG ever. I also loved the post-game.
Super Paper Mario, while not bad just didn't live up to TTYD's standard, I felt. TTYD, it felt like even all the NPCs were characters in their own right, but I didn't really get that from SPM. Nor did I care for the designs of many of the NPCs (Francis and other more notables notwithstanding).
I was also bugged by the Pixls, or their lack of involvement. You find one, get a brief glimpse of personality, and then they get stuffed in a box, never heard from again.
Played Partners in Time more recently, and I liked it better than SS, mostly because I felt the actual control was better. In SS, the timing always felt like it varied; some enemies had to hit before they'd be close enough to touch, some while they were close enough to touch, and others seemingly after they were close enough. PiT just felt like the timing was more along the lines of a Mario game, for the most part.
I also liked Bros. items, particularly the shells. Unfortunately, four Marios, with two pairs of similarly colored clothing made things hard to keep track of. I can see it working far better with two Bros. instead of four.
The ending was more satisfying to me, time travel hocus-pocus noted above notwithstanding. Overall, I felt less stressed or irritated with it, even if some qualities were admittedly not the equal of SS.
I hope that Bowser's Inside Story will have a story the quality of SS, with gameplay more like PiT, but minus the need to control so many characters at once; two is plenty, thanks. And I do not say that as a baby hater. I actually rather liked the little tikes.
Anyway, with the third M&L, I think we're about due for the fourth Paper Mario. I hope it's not as "super" as the last one, though. It might be neat to see some Wii control added, like swinging the control down like a hammer when the gauge fills, or moving the cursor with the pointer to shoot the necessary icons during a special move.
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I was planning on going with Scribblenauts this week and wait on this until Christmas, but the reviews are unreal. Sounds like I need both. Life is rough.
I was planning on going with Scribblenauts this week and wait on this until Christmas, but the reviews are unreal. Sounds like I need both. Life is rough.
TRU is doing a 15 dollar gift card for Scribblenauts, and I plan on using the card for M&L 3....it seems like a nice tradeoff.
I've only played the original Super Mario RPG and Super Paper Mario. Super Paper Mario was fun for the first 4 chapters or so, then it got to be EXTREMELY tedious. I had to force myself to finish the game. I wish they had exploited the 2-d/3-d mechanic more.
Mario RPG is fantastic, but like every RPG I've ever played (except Chrono Trigger!) I have put it down for LONG periods of time. Luckily, unlike Final Fantasy, it seems to be easy to get back into since it's very linear.
I might pick this up someday, but Scribblenauts comes first, and I won't be able to buy that until next month as it is...
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I was planning on going with Scribblenauts this week and wait on this until Christmas, but the reviews are unreal. Sounds like I need both. Life is rough.
TRU is doing a 15 dollar gift card for Scribblenauts, and I plan on using the card for M&L 3....it seems like a nice tradeoff.
Check with your store before actually driving there, but since there was confusion over the actual release date, most TRUs will also be doing $10 for this game tomorrow.
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edited September 2009
I adore Super Mario RPG.
Sadly, I don't really remember anything of Superstar Saga. Except the last boss. Maybe I should replay it.
And fuck, I want thisssss, and Scribblenauts, and Marvel UA2, uugggh
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edited September 2009
The reviews for this have been nothing short of incredible. They all keep saying that this is the best of the Mario & Luigi trilogy.
Sooo, this game is absolutely nothing like Partners in Time? Which is, no babies, no extreme linearity, no dull repetition, and actual humor?
But, man, I'd like to see another Paper Mario again, too. I liked what they did with Super Paper Mario- namely, something utterly and completely different-, but in the end, it just wasn't thought through properly. There was lots of trial-and-error with the 3D/2D mechanic, the side characters weren't as charming since they basically only had lines when appearing, the level structure didn't quite work that well, and the battles were horribly simple, except for some optional stuff. Not to mention the serious balancing issues (Bowser, anyone...?). Still, great ideas, and fun. I'd be happy if the developers tried something new with the Paper style again. But this time... please with more of the elements that made the original Paper Mario great.
So no repetitiveness.
Please.
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edited September 2009
I wanted to pick this up yesterday at my Gamestop's Midnight release for Marvel 2 and Scribblenauts. However, their shipment hadn't come in yet, and they weren't getting it until today.
I was planning on going with Scribblenauts this week and wait on this until Christmas, but the reviews are unreal. Sounds like I need both. Life is rough.
TRU is doing a 15 dollar gift card for Scribblenauts, and I plan on using the card for M&L 3....it seems like a nice tradeoff.
Check with your store before actually driving there, but since there was confusion over the actual release date, most TRUs will also be doing $10 for this game tomorrow.
Wait, a $15 GC for Scribblenauts today and a $10 GC for M&L tomorrow? Two trips to Toys R Us is worth it if I get these two games $25 off, even if I hold off opening M&L3 until I can get some impressions.
I loved M&L: SS, loved Paper Mario: TTYD, did not enjoy M&L: PiT at all. I never figured out what made Partners in Time so much worse than the first one, but I'm glad that my thoughts about it seem to be how most of y'all think as well. I'll be able to figure out if this new one is worth playing that way.
Edit: So, I just called my local Toys R Us, and they guy said that M&L3 will be in stock today at 5:00pm, and that they would be doing their $10 giftcard deal today.
The only problem with PiT I had was that using the babies and the X/Y buttons made the gameplay far too busy. Especially when you start using the Bro items. Turned the game into a wicked case of thumb-fu that I kept failing at.
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I'm five hours in and it's easily the best of the series. Everything is well paced and diced into smaller chunka that switch between Bowser and the Bros. And Bowser is fucking awesome. His special attacks are based off normal Mario enemies.
And if you love Fawful, then this game will require new underwear. Kickass translation here.
Only complaint is that game is a bit too simple. You barely put the new move to use and it feels you just wander to the next cut scene. On the other hand, it keeps things from getting too stale. Shorter areas means a regular flow of bosses and new enemies.
I did, but I popped in scribblenauts first and can't stop!
I'm pretty pumped for more Fawful though.
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KorKnown to detonate from time to timeRegistered Userregular
edited September 2009
So yea, so far, this definitely feels like Bowser's RPG with special guest appearance by the Mario Bros.
Not that that is a bad thing (at least yet anyway).
I'm about 4 hours in myself, and have been having a good time so far.
I was saddened a bit to see some of the Bros. Items return from PiT. I really loved the fire flower being an attack command from Superstar saga, and not an item to use.
I'll be picking this up tomorrow first thing in the morning. I've got a long car trip ahead of me on the weekend, so this sudden burst of DS awesomeness (this game and Scribblenauts) is a welcome coincidence.
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I was saddened a bit to see some of the Bros. Items return from PiT. I really loved the fire flower being an attack command from Superstar saga, and not an item to use.
It's been a long time since I played both, so could you remind me why this difference matters?
So, this is pretty fun so far. Not all that funny, it's kind of rare, but I'm digging the combat. I hope the platforming ramps up a bit more.
Do you not like Fawful? Because like every other line he says cracks me up.
Talking about the platforming, does anyone else feel that synchronized jumping is a lot more touchy now that you have to do it a lot more often in a 2D plane. Especially in the swimming part?
I was saddened a bit to see some of the Bros. Items return from PiT. I really loved the fire flower being an attack command from Superstar saga, and not an item to use.
It's been a long time since I played both, so could you remind me why this difference matters?
In Superstar Saga, Bros. Attacks use up a mana-like stat, meaning that you can only use them so many times before running out of power for them and needing an item to get back points. In Partners in Time, Bros. Attacks are all done through items, meaning that you can spam them as many times as you want assuming you stock up, which isn't that expensive to do.
Bros. Attacks also used fairly interesting button commands with hillarious consequences if you screwed them up, while Bros. Items mostly considered of spamming an attack over and over.
Basically, Bros. Attacks were far more awesome than Bros. Items.
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I was saddened a bit to see some of the Bros. Items return from PiT. I really loved the fire flower being an attack command from Superstar saga, and not an item to use.
It's been a long time since I played both, so could you remind me why this difference matters?
Well, in the first game, you could use the fireball/lightning ball outside of combat. Also, it gave you a 3rd option to your attack command.
So in superstar saga, you had
-Jump
-Hammer
-Fire/Lightning
In PiT and BIS, you just have Jump and Hammer. this also means that the variety of enemy attacks/counter attacks is limited more.
Also, it's just slightly boring that the special attacks from PiT have now been reused.
Note that I still love the game, and have found myself literally laughing out loud at the humor.
It's okay because squad attacks are the best thing ever.
I was disappointed at how they were first introduced in the demo. It seemed gimmicky to have to tap that Goomba as it crossed the screen. Then the demo ended and a whole stampede of them came rushing out.
Right now, seeing areas on the map that Bowser can't jump to reach makes me sad because it implies that I will have to go back using characters not as fun to play as Bowser is.
So, this is pretty fun so far. Not all that funny, it's kind of rare, but I'm digging the combat. I hope the platforming ramps up a bit more.
Do you not like Fawful? Because like every other line he says cracks me up.
Talking about the platforming, does anyone else feel that synchronized jumping is a lot more touchy now that you have to do it a lot more often in a 2D plane. Especially in the swimming part?
Fawful is great, although my 2nd and 3rd encounters with him were much less funny than the 1st. Thing is, I see him a relatively small amount of the time that I'm playing, and most of the other characters aren't that funny. Some of them are just visually funny, but mostly just the first time I see them, like the huge Goomba with the lollipop.
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edited September 2009
How much does this game cost?
I am honestly considering returning Dissidia and trying to get this game if it's a cheap snag.
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$35, with a $10 gift card if you buy it at a Toys R Us.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited September 2009
So it's $35? I can't spend a lot of money right now so having a gift card is about as useful as having plastic in my pocket.
Which is ironically where a gift card of mine currently sits.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
That and the gear in this game seems better. But the rank system will make it harder.
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edited September 2009
After playing all the dark and complex SMT games, it's rather refreshing to run about as Bowser, whose primary problem-solving skills consists entirely of "Punch it," "Eat it," and "Set it on fire." He's a character wo makes no excuses for who he is.
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edited September 2009
Do ranks do anything other than let you equip more items?
Some of them are just visually funny, but mostly just the first time I see them, like the huge Goomba with the lollipop.
Those become fun again when you go back to that area after picking up some abilities. Namely the vacuum attack, as it lets you inhale and consume the lollipops for health and make the goomba run off crying. To reiterate, the game rewards you for stealing candy.
Some of them are just visually funny, but mostly just the first time I see them, like the huge Goomba with the lollipop.
Those become fun again when you go back to that area after picking up some abilities. Namely the vacuum attack, as it lets you inhale and consume the lollipops for health and make the goomba run off crying. To reiterate, the game rewards you for stealing candy.
Talking about going back, don't spend your money on the first level of bowser gear, you get a better shell armor for free by going back to the first warp
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It was kind of a copout that they had absolutely zero dialog and were reduced to cheap cameos like that. Still nice to have seen that they weren't forgotten though.
I wish that Brawl had reflected that shake-up.
Different developers, so probably not.
Me, I'm more worried about another 2-hour sequence between the last save point and the end of the game. Partners in Time wasn't THAT bad, technically, but close. SS took me forever as well, but I didn't know you could level up the Bros. moves. :P
This. I really wish they'd at least let you see how many HP an enemy has left. At least then, you feel like you're making progress, rather than pissing into an ocean of piss and wondering how it's holding up.
Agreed, we were denied a glorious opportunity for characterization and return dialogue. Sigh.
Anyway, Super Mario RPG, I liked well enough. My only grievance is that Square Enix seems to own it lock, stock, and barrel, save for the stuff which originated with Mario, which is ironically a small part of the game. And I'm not big on having the stuff locked up by SE, so that's why I'm fine if we never get a "true" SMRPG2.
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga was a fun but tedious/frustrating affair for me. Besides the Bros. Moves I mentioned above, I found travel to be harrowing. Constantly switching who was in back, who was in front, and who was equipped with which move at which time got a bit old after a while. For that, I was thankful for the more streamlined movement of Partners in Time. You either control the babies, the adults, or the adults carrying the babies. Special moves on or off. Simple.
Also, I didn't like being killed before I could even react by the final boss while the Bros. were face down. That led to a lot of grinding on my part to ensure that such a thing would not happen again.
And the ending just didn't seem worth the effort to me.
On the other hand, I went on to play Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door almost straight after. And it was nothing short of glorious. My favorite Mario RPG ever. I also loved the post-game.
Super Paper Mario, while not bad just didn't live up to TTYD's standard, I felt. TTYD, it felt like even all the NPCs were characters in their own right, but I didn't really get that from SPM. Nor did I care for the designs of many of the NPCs (Francis and other more notables notwithstanding).
I was also bugged by the Pixls, or their lack of involvement. You find one, get a brief glimpse of personality, and then they get stuffed in a box, never heard from again.
Played Partners in Time more recently, and I liked it better than SS, mostly because I felt the actual control was better. In SS, the timing always felt like it varied; some enemies had to hit before they'd be close enough to touch, some while they were close enough to touch, and others seemingly after they were close enough. PiT just felt like the timing was more along the lines of a Mario game, for the most part.
I also liked Bros. items, particularly the shells. Unfortunately, four Marios, with two pairs of similarly colored clothing made things hard to keep track of. I can see it working far better with two Bros. instead of four.
The ending was more satisfying to me, time travel hocus-pocus noted above notwithstanding. Overall, I felt less stressed or irritated with it, even if some qualities were admittedly not the equal of SS.
I hope that Bowser's Inside Story will have a story the quality of SS, with gameplay more like PiT, but minus the need to control so many characters at once; two is plenty, thanks. And I do not say that as a baby hater. I actually rather liked the little tikes.
Anyway, with the third M&L, I think we're about due for the fourth Paper Mario. I hope it's not as "super" as the last one, though. It might be neat to see some Wii control added, like swinging the control down like a hammer when the gauge fills, or moving the cursor with the pointer to shoot the necessary icons during a special move.
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Between this and Scribblenauts, look like my DS will get getting some love in the near future.
TRU is doing a 15 dollar gift card for Scribblenauts, and I plan on using the card for M&L 3....it seems like a nice tradeoff.
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Mario RPG is fantastic, but like every RPG I've ever played (except Chrono Trigger!) I have put it down for LONG periods of time. Luckily, unlike Final Fantasy, it seems to be easy to get back into since it's very linear.
I might pick this up someday, but Scribblenauts comes first, and I won't be able to buy that until next month as it is...
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Check with your store before actually driving there, but since there was confusion over the actual release date, most TRUs will also be doing $10 for this game tomorrow.
Sadly, I don't really remember anything of Superstar Saga. Except the last boss. Maybe I should replay it.
And fuck, I want thisssss, and Scribblenauts, and Marvel UA2, uugggh
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But, man, I'd like to see another Paper Mario again, too. I liked what they did with Super Paper Mario- namely, something utterly and completely different-, but in the end, it just wasn't thought through properly. There was lots of trial-and-error with the 3D/2D mechanic, the side characters weren't as charming since they basically only had lines when appearing, the level structure didn't quite work that well, and the battles were horribly simple, except for some optional stuff. Not to mention the serious balancing issues (Bowser, anyone...?). Still, great ideas, and fun. I'd be happy if the developers tried something new with the Paper style again. But this time... please with more of the elements that made the original Paper Mario great.
So no repetitiveness.
Please.
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Wait, a $15 GC for Scribblenauts today and a $10 GC for M&L tomorrow? Two trips to Toys R Us is worth it if I get these two games $25 off, even if I hold off opening M&L3 until I can get some impressions.
I loved M&L: SS, loved Paper Mario: TTYD, did not enjoy M&L: PiT at all. I never figured out what made Partners in Time so much worse than the first one, but I'm glad that my thoughts about it seem to be how most of y'all think as well. I'll be able to figure out if this new one is worth playing that way.
Edit: So, I just called my local Toys R Us, and they guy said that M&L3 will be in stock today at 5:00pm, and that they would be doing their $10 giftcard deal today.
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And if you love Fawful, then this game will require new underwear. Kickass translation here.
Only complaint is that game is a bit too simple. You barely put the new move to use and it feels you just wander to the next cut scene. On the other hand, it keeps things from getting too stale. Shorter areas means a regular flow of bosses and new enemies.
Buy it, you bastards.
I did, but I popped in scribblenauts first and can't stop!
I'm pretty pumped for more Fawful though.
Not that that is a bad thing (at least yet anyway).
I'm about 4 hours in myself, and have been having a good time so far.
I was saddened a bit to see some of the Bros. Items return from PiT. I really loved the fire flower being an attack command from Superstar saga, and not an item to use.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
Do you not like Fawful? Because like every other line he says cracks me up.
Talking about the platforming, does anyone else feel that synchronized jumping is a lot more touchy now that you have to do it a lot more often in a 2D plane. Especially in the swimming part?
In Superstar Saga, Bros. Attacks use up a mana-like stat, meaning that you can only use them so many times before running out of power for them and needing an item to get back points. In Partners in Time, Bros. Attacks are all done through items, meaning that you can spam them as many times as you want assuming you stock up, which isn't that expensive to do.
Bros. Attacks also used fairly interesting button commands with hillarious consequences if you screwed them up, while Bros. Items mostly considered of spamming an attack over and over.
Basically, Bros. Attacks were far more awesome than Bros. Items.
Well, in the first game, you could use the fireball/lightning ball outside of combat. Also, it gave you a 3rd option to your attack command.
So in superstar saga, you had
-Jump
-Hammer
-Fire/Lightning
In PiT and BIS, you just have Jump and Hammer. this also means that the variety of enemy attacks/counter attacks is limited more.
Also, it's just slightly boring that the special attacks from PiT have now been reused.
Note that I still love the game, and have found myself literally laughing out loud at the humor.
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I was disappointed at how they were first introduced in the demo. It seemed gimmicky to have to tap that Goomba as it crossed the screen. Then the demo ended and a whole stampede of them came rushing out.
Right now, seeing areas on the map that Bowser can't jump to reach makes me sad because it implies that I will have to go back using characters not as fun to play as Bowser is.
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Fawful is great, although my 2nd and 3rd encounters with him were much less funny than the 1st. Thing is, I see him a relatively small amount of the time that I'm playing, and most of the other characters aren't that funny. Some of them are just visually funny, but mostly just the first time I see them, like the huge Goomba with the lollipop.
I am honestly considering returning Dissidia and trying to get this game if it's a cheap snag.
Which is ironically where a gift card of mine currently sits.
That and the gear in this game seems better. But the rank system will make it harder.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
Those become fun again when you go back to that area after picking up some abilities. Namely the vacuum attack, as it lets you inhale and consume the lollipops for health and make the goomba run off crying. To reiterate, the game rewards you for stealing candy.
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I really love the Mario RPGs, especially Mario & Luigi.
Talking about going back, don't spend your money on the first level of bowser gear, you get a better shell armor for free by going back to the first warp
I wonder if he'll top the part about "giving the statue nuts."
I am surprised that even got in.
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