Photos: If Looks Could Kill

LautermilchLautermilch Registered User
edited September 2009 in Artist's Corner
Some of the not so happy people I have come across in Broward and Dade county as a street photographer.

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Almost a fight - just a few seconds away from the fists flying when the police arrived.

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  • Guy BellGuy Bell Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    These shots are incredible. And risky. Have you sold any of these?

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    what is happening in these pictures?
    they are fascinating but i really want to know like... what were they yelling about?
    was it all at the same place?

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  • McGibsMcGibs TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Thems are some angry zealots.

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  • IkageIkage Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    These are amazing.
    I am now convinced people are best when they are ranting

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  • LautermilchLautermilch Registered User
    edited September 2009
    Guy Bell wrote: »
    These shots are incredible. And risky. Have you sold any of these?

    Never sold them but they have been used in newspapers.

    Most were at protests. People in this area have protest weekly.

    Animal rights was always good for some decent emotion
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    this was one of my favorite shots. The girls thought since the police were standing there that jaywalking would be OK. As they found out, no it is not.
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    Here a 911 call is being placed when animal rights activists tried to talk to passengers of a horse drawn carriage.
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    and I have a lot of Anti-war shots

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  • LoomdunLoomdun Registered User
    edited September 2009
    wow its really nice to see a photographer who does photography to actually tell a story rather then just take pretty pictures with flowers and pose friends

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    I agree, I spent a lot of time looking at each of these photos compared to the other crap people post sometimes.

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    agreed
    these have so much of a story and life to them
    i usually ignore the photo thread completely
    because seriously, how many artsy angles of your cat's face or a tree can you really get before it just becomes mundane?

    the answer?
    not many.

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  • bombardierbombardier Moderator mod
    edited September 2009
    Now there's a terrible generalization.

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  • KendeathwalkerKendeathwalker Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    http://www.pbase.com/lautermilch/image/56545000.jpg

    shes so cute I cant take her anger seriously.
    bombardier wrote: »
    Now there's a terrible generalization.

    Agreed, but I dont photo so I wasnt going to say anything.

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  • LautermilchLautermilch Registered User
    edited September 2009
    beavotron wrote: »
    agreed
    these have so much of a story and life to them
    i usually ignore the photo thread completely
    because seriously, how many artsy angles of your cat's face or a tree can you really get before it just becomes mundane?

    the answer?
    not many.

    Kitty faces and plants are safe for the most part. You want trouble, just get yourself a pro looking DSLR with a 200mm zoom and walk around in public. You will have confrentations.

    Threated with arrest over these shots after a cat fight on Miami Beach.
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    Verbally assaulted and threated right after this shot by the spectator.
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    Officer, he's got a camera
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    Very intense ten minute argument after this shot of how I did not have permission to take her shot.
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    "there's some creepy guy with a camera pointing it at me!"
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    But most protesters understand and will pose for you
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  • McGibsMcGibs TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    that putin mask is awesome.

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  • MustangMustang Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Man, there is a lot of protesting around where you are. I think our last protest was a bunch of bikers bitching about freedom of association laws, which are actually pretty bad, but they're all criminals, fuckwads and thugs, so no-one really gave a shit.

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  • LautermilchLautermilch Registered User
    edited September 2009
    Mustang wrote: »
    Man, there is a lot of protesting around where you are. I think our last protest was a bunch of bikers bitching about freedom of association laws, which are actually pretty bad, but they're all criminals, fuckwads and thugs, so no-one really gave a shit.


    A lot of good looking woman protest in Florida. That was a driving force in doing the protests.


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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    bombardier wrote: »
    Now there's a terrible generalization.

    i didn't say everyone in the photo thread does that
    but you have to admit.
    on any given photo thread day there is typically a kitty or a flower.

    admit this

    i didn't say you did it.

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  • LautermilchLautermilch Registered User
    edited September 2009
    beavotron wrote: »
    bombardier wrote: »
    Now there's a terrible generalization.

    i didn't say everyone in the photo thread does that
    but you have to admit.
    on any given photo thread day there is typically a kitty or a flower.

    admit this

    i didn't say you did it.


    I never took a shot of a kitten or a flower that I can recall.

    A dog, yes
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    And this is about the only plant shot I can think of taking.
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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    granted i don't understand the finer points of photography at all.
    but when i see pics of a closeup of someone's pet cat i just sort of ignore it and move on cause i've seen a lot of that particular subject matter, and i personally find it sort of boring.
    and i feel like i see a lot of cats and flowers when i come in here
    just sayin! didn't mean to upset people!

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  • MustangMustang Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mustangs Guide to Deviant Art Photographic popularity.

    Step 1. Kittens
    Step 2. Hooters
    Step 3. Success

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  • TamTam Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    wh-

    why is the dog shaved like that

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  • MustangMustang Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Oh god I just noticed that, dogs got a faux hawk.

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    hahah yeah mustang it's probably just me confusing the photo thread with deviantart cause jesus
    kitties galore!

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    It isn't illegal to take pictures of people so when they confront you don't stop to argue just keep taking pictures. You will get some amazing shit, but risk death, but also probably get amazing shit.

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  • KendeathwalkerKendeathwalker Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I had a buddy - actually buddy is to freindly he was more of an aassociate- who was into the whole suprise people and snap their picture thing. His defense mechanism when they got hostile was to just start screaming like a crazy man and talking about the apocolypse.


    No one ever fucked with him.

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  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    beavotron wrote: »
    just sayin! didn't mean to upset people!

    but it'll make a good picture

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  • FoodFood Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I wish I had the balls to take pictures of random people. I am a pussy.

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  • MustangMustang Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Likewise, mainly because I would just want to photograph crazy people because they have the most interesting faces.

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  • KendeathwalkerKendeathwalker Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mustang wrote: »
    crazy people .... have the most interesting faces.

    that explains your wife

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  • LautermilchLautermilch Registered User
    edited September 2009
    Mustang wrote: »
    Likewise, mainly because I would just want to photograph crazy people because they have the most interesting faces.

    Crazy or a stripper that had not slept in three days.

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  • KendeathwalkerKendeathwalker Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    wow those are fucking awesome.

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  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    It's like her sanity is unravelling right in front of us

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  • T. J. Nutty Nub T. J. Nutty Nub Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Wow

    This thread has convinced me to comeback here and check up on it

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  • JAmp5JAmp5 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Great subject matter, you have to be pretty ballsy to shoot stuff like this :^:

    What kind of kit do you use? Anything big and flashy is going to get you in to trouble. People are going to see you as a press photographer (which might be a good thing in some cases) but you're more likely to get the kind of access you want with something like a Leica or a small bodied film SLR or rangefinder.

    Your results are great though I'm just saying it might be safer to switch to something more reportage/documentary :D This sort of stuff fascinates me and you really got in the thick of it.

    What's the reasoning behind the B&W conversions?

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  • LautermilchLautermilch Registered User
    edited September 2009
    JAmp5 wrote: »
    Great subject matter, you have to be pretty ballsy to shoot stuff like this :^:

    What kind of kit do you use? Anything big and flashy is going to get you in to trouble. People are going to see you as a press photographer (which might be a good thing in some cases) but you're more likely to get the kind of access you want with something like a Leica or a small bodied film SLR or rangefinder.

    Your results are great though I'm just saying it might be safer to switch to something more reportage/documentary :D This sort of stuff fascinates me and you really got in the thick of it.

    What's the reasoning behind the B&W conversions?

    I had a Nikon D70 and most of the posted shots were done with the 50mm 1.8 at F4 or the 200mm 2.8 which is considered one of Nikon's best lenses.

    Much of the time I was with other street photographers. And most of the more intense shots were
    done at major events with a lot of media present.

    I like raw emotion and hated cheesecake. I did do some models but they are not easy to deal with.

    As for black and white, I like the old style newspaper look.

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  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I like raw emotion and hated cheesecake. I did do some models but they are not easy to deal with.

    I can imagine why:
    "Okay, turn to the right"
    "Like this?"
    "Your mom's a whore"
    "What!?"
    *click* "Okay turn to the left..."

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  • Jake!Jake! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    These are mostly poor in my opinion. I accept these are supposed to be photojournalism, rather than fine art photography, but in most situations there's no reason not to apply the rules of the former to the execution of the latter. You'd really improve if you studied composition a bit.

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  • LautermilchLautermilch Registered User
    edited September 2009
    Jake! wrote: »
    These are mostly poor in my opinion. I accept these are supposed to be photojournalism, rather than fine art photography, but in most situations there's no reason not to apply the rules of the former to the execution of the latter. You'd really improve if you studied composition a bit.


    It was case of being in a strip club and having a dancer was some images and freaking out before I was ready to even shoot.

    You'd really improve if you learned a bit about street photography. Here is a good starting point - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_photography

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  • Jake!Jake! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Look, I'm not entirely surprised you're here for praise rather than criticism, but street photography is still photography. There are millions of street photographers who practice it, and can frame a subject, balance a composition etc.

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  • JAmp5JAmp5 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I get what you're saying about being restricted by the abruptness of the moment but I also agree with what Jake is saying. Though you have a fantastic subject the execution needs more care. Are you sharing these as snapshots of something interesting or as a body of work that you want crits on?

    How do you see these images being used or presented? Do you want them to form a cohesive series? Are these personal images or images that you would use for a book or journalistic media?

    I think you should choose to use flash or not to use flash, and also pick black and white or colour, not both. Using a whole bunch of different techniques just makes the delivery more convoluted and less effective.

    I think you should probably lose the black and white completely. On the one hand you are giving us close, intimate crops of a subject but then you're distancing us by using black and white which is typically more nostalgic and pushes us away by being less like seeing something through our own eyes. The ye olde aesthetic doesn't work because these are very digital in appearance and in terms of photojournalism or documentary you want to minimise the changes made between taking the picture and displaying it. In this instance being in black and white isn't serving a purpose.

    In a very long winded way I am saying that these images are having an identity crisis and you are using techniques that conflict with each other. I think you could make these images even more effective by getting straight in your head what you want your images to achieve and deciding what format and style would be the most effective to deliver your message.

    Nan Goldin doesn't really put much thought in to how she takes pictures, yet much as I hate her, the images she produces are beautiful. She still uses certain photographic codes, composition and a consistent format. These feel very digital to me and unloved from a photographic point of view.

    Much <3 though for posting something different and interesting

    (I hate giving crits)

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  • LautermilchLautermilch Registered User
    edited September 2009
    Jake! wrote: »
    Look, I'm not entirely surprised you're here for praise rather than criticism, but street photography is still photography. There are millions of street photographers who practice it, and can frame a subject, balance a composition etc.

    Not every subject or event gives you time to perfectly frame the shot and position yourself for the best lighting. Street photography is going have imperfections. And I have had to listen to a lot of 'critics' that feel that every image should be perfectly framed, lighting optimized, etc. They tend to haunt the street photography forums.

    Should I ask the police officer to hold off so I can improve the lighting for this shot?
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    I have some people that are in the way in this shot. Can I ask the police to redo the arrest?
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    Can I ask this drunk girl to trim the fabric hanging off her?
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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited September 2009
    Personally, I agree with Jake. I mean, subject matter wise, these are pretty cool, but they arent as strong in other areas. Having balls to do this is great, but dedicate your left to getting out there and doing this, dedicate your right to stepping back, taking crits and studying other photographers.

    Even in that wiki article you linked, the examples of classic street photographers have strong processing on their B&W photos and good strong composition. You don't have the luxury of controlling your environment, which makes the shots all the more impressive when they are striking and incredibly well shot. You still have room to improve to a higher level, Dont take it as an insult, take it as a challenge.

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