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Scary noises from the car.

Dr. GeroDr. Gero Registered User regular
edited September 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
I have a '97 Hundai Accent that recently broke down. I hit a bump too hard and immediately, I hear a noise similar to that of a powerful, souped up car whenever I apply the gas pedal. Fast forward a few days, and I've been driving the car around in this condition regularly.

On my way to work, the acceleration completely shits out, and the same noise gets fucking loud. I crawled back home without touching the gas pedal, and park on street outside my house. 4-5 days later, I move the car into the driveway, and gurgling noises from the engine scare the everliving piss out of me. I get the fuck out and promptly run away.

I'm planning to get a tow and take it to a mechanic, but I'd like to find out if there's anything (relatively simple) I can do to fix it? Or can I get a rough estimate for a repair? I live in Long Island, NY if that helps.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    It is most likely a problem with your exhaust. You could have punched a hole in your cat converter, which would explain pretty much everything you've described.

    As for an estimate, you'd be looking at around $500 if you need it replaced, as opposed to simply welded back together.

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  • Dr. GeroDr. Gero Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I forgot to mention that my tailpipe mount has been broken for a while. Could that also have attributed to the problem?

    Fuck me, that's $500 I definitely don't have. D:

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    It could have attributed to it in that your exhaust has been hanging lower than it should, and that is probably how hitting a bump turned into a hole in your exhaust.

    The cat converter is probably the worst case scenario. I'm not familiar with the exhaust on a 97 Accent, but it might be a hole somewhere less expensive, and best case: a hole that can be patched or welded.

    In any event, you're not looking at a $50 job here.

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  • Dr. GeroDr. Gero Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I guess I'll be hoofing it to work for now, until I can save up the repair money.

    I feel somewhat better now, knowing what the problem is. Thanks figgy. :^:

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    IANAMechanic, so I could be wrong.

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  • a penguina penguin Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Dude, you need to crawl under your car when it's not hot and look around. If there's a hole in the cat, you will be able to see it. Also check to see if any of the flanges got screwed up when you hit that bump, it could be that as well. If it is something like that, then it is a much cheaper fix than a new cat, so here's hoping. Either way, you will be much better off when you finally take this thing in if you know exactly what's wrong with it. If you want to, take pictures and put them up here.

    Not to rub salt in the wound (I am well versed in expensive car repairs...I own VW's :x ), but exhaust hangers are cheap.

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  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Shiny. Real shiny.Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    You broke the flex pipe. Tow it in. Get it fixed.

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  • jeepinryanjeepinryan Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    If it does turn out to be an easily identified exhaust problem, take it in to a good 'ole muffler shop, instead of a regular mechanic. I was able to get an entirely new exhaust from the motor to the tailpipe (pipe, hangers, cat, muffler, all bending and welding included) for about $180 on my Jeep.

    A lot of my local shops just basically outsource exhaust repairs to the muffler shop anyway, and tack on some markup. Granted, shops in every area are different, so your mileage may vary with prices and practices.

    Good luck getting it fixed!

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    jeepinryan wrote: »
    A lot of my local shops just basically outsource exhaust repairs to the muffler shop anyway, and tack on some markup. Granted, shops in every area are different, so your mileage may vary with prices and practices.

    Good luck getting it fixed!

    That's ludicrous. I've never run across anything like that before.

    In fact, the muffler specialists often charge way more in my experience. They wanted $700 to replace my cat a while back, and then I took it to a privately owned garage and the guy welded it for $80. The muffler guys said, "There is no way we can fix this. You need a new cat."

    The private garage quoted me $350 for a cat replacement before they hoisted it up and said they could just weld it, too.

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  • Jebus314Jebus314 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Maybe it's me, but I'm not seeing how an exhaust pipe problem is going to eff with your acceleration. It seems somewhat coincidental, but you could have busted the gas pedal wire, or have developed an electrical problem as well as busting a hole in your exhaust pipe. However, if you are hearing load noises and your acceleration is working but not well, that sounds like a compression problem (blown seal, blown exhaust valve, ect..)

    edit- I should probably add that compression problems can be pricey sometimes, especially when using mechanics that don't know your particular car well. I know I've paid 1200 or so to have the compression problems fixed in one chamber, but god knows what they did for their 1200 dollars as I'm pretty sure that engine still has compression problems. Totally unrelated but is anyone in the market for a 76 porsche 912e/78vw bus engine?

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  • a penguina penguin Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    It will screw with the acceleration if one of the O2 sensors is not getting the correct reading, If he screwed up the cat or otherwise knocked a pre-post cat O2 sensor pieces loose (which judging by the 'souped-up car' noise, he did), then that sensor is getting a junk reading, which is in turn causing a crazy air/fuel mixture and making the car run shitty.

    Flex pipe is a good guess. We should start a pool.

    He should also be seeing a CEL if that's the case, which will be telling him that he's running ohholyshit lean or rich on bank whichever.

    For exhaust things that happened before I could fix them on my own, I always used the mom and pop store on the corner. Those were the nicest dudes, did good cheap work and didn't try to take me for a ride like the big chain in the college town did. I know, big surprise there. YMMV

    On a side note, one thing that some people do in areas with no emissions is to bore out or remove the cat to make the car louder. The More You Know.

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  • eternalbleternalbl Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    a penguin wrote: »
    It will screw with the acceleration if one of the O2 sensors is not getting the correct reading, If he screwed up the cat or otherwise knocked a pre-post cat O2 sensor pieces loose (which judging by the 'souped-up car' noise, he did), then that sensor is getting a junk reading, which is in turn causing a crazy air/fuel mixture and making the car run shitty.

    Flex pipe is a good guess. We should start a pool.

    He should also be seeing a CEL if that's the case, which will be telling him that he's running ohholyshit lean or rich on bank whichever.

    For exhaust things that happened before I could fix them on my own, I always used the mom and pop store on the corner. Those were the nicest dudes, did good cheap work and didn't try to take me for a ride like the big chain in the college town did. I know, big surprise there. YMMV

    On a side note, one thing that some people do in areas with no emissions is to bore out or remove the cat to make the car louder. The More You Know.

    The mass airflow sensor is what'll give a car its air fuel ratio readings. O2 sensors are emissions only.

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  • a penguina penguin Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    So the ECU won't adjust that mixture depending on what the O2 sensors are sending back?

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  • eternalbleternalbl Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    No, it won't. The pre and post cat o2 sensors just compare readings to see that the cat is working properly.

    edit: NM, depending on if its a 2 sensor system in his car, it could be the case.

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  • a penguina penguin Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    <3

    Even though, the more I think about it, something like a smashed cat sounds more likely. If the catalyst is smashed and plugging up the exhaust, that would cause the problems he's seeing, My technical reference is the 'banana in the tailpipe' trick from Beverly Hills Cop. Would Eddie Murphy lie to us?

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  • jeepinryanjeepinryan Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Figgy wrote: »
    jeepinryan wrote: »
    A lot of my local shops just basically outsource exhaust repairs to the muffler shop anyway, and tack on some markup. Granted, shops in every area are different, so your mileage may vary with prices and practices.

    Good luck getting it fixed!

    That's ludicrous. I've never run across anything like that before.

    In fact, the muffler specialists often charge way more in my experience. They wanted $700 to replace my cat a while back, and then I took it to a privately owned garage and the guy welded it for $80. The muffler guys said, "There is no way we can fix this. You need a new cat."

    The private garage quoted me $350 for a cat replacement before they hoisted it up and said they could just weld it, too.

    I've had two shops in my area tell me that they used the same muffler shop for all their exhaust work. I'm sure their markup is to cover the cost of towing/transporting the car to the muffler shop. All of the places were mom & pop shops, not big chains. Who knows...like I said, every area could be different.

    The cheap deal I got on the complete exhaust could have been because it is my 89 Jeep Wrangler. It's a pretty simple beast and parts are common. I imagine a newer car with all the fancy emissions control stuff intact would be pricier.

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