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The Dry Patch

PasserbyePasserbye I am much older than you.in Beach CityRegistered User regular
edited September 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Throughout my life I have had, outside of the usual teen acne, ridiculously healthy skin. I never even needed to use a moisturizer or lotion until I moved to the drier climate of Washington state. Needless to say, this life of complexion perfection (combined with the fact that I know next to nothing about my skin type or techniques beyond 'wash daily, moisturize as needed') left me unprepared for the following:
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As you may guess from the title, it is dry, and it is a patch. It's about 1"x0.5" in total size on the right side of my face, just above my eyebrow. As you can tell from the photos the skin tends to crack and flake away, but it seems like it's the uppermost layers, not the whole thing. When the (dead?) skin bits are rubbed off the skin is shiny and pink, looks brand-new. It doesn't hurt, it doesn't itch, though the skin does feel tight and rough before the skin bits are rubbed off. I use an extra strength moisturizer (Clinique dramatically different moisturizing lotion) on the dry patch rather than the lighter one (Lush Imperialis) I normally use, this seems to keep the patch at bay for a couple of days before it comes back.

tl;dr

Creepy dry patch recurs after extra strength lotion; no pain, no itch.

Extra details: I don't wear make up and I don't spend a lot of time in the sun.

So, questions:

WTF is happening? If it's an allergic reaction, why isn't it across the rest of my face? It's been months since I switched cleansers and moisturizers so, if it's an allergic reaction, why did it take so long?

Is there some kind of dermatological magic formula to wipe this out, or am I doomed to Clinique spot treatments every few days? Could this be a temporary seasonal thing?

Thank you in advance.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Might be psoriasis.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Do you use a regular moisturizer every day? Might just be the change in climate. In the winter I'll get dry spots on my forehead that look similar. Do you use an exfoliating scrub? That will help with the flaking.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I have dry patches on a small area of my face beside my nostrils. Basically what I've done for the last 10 years or so is put this on it every day after I get out of the shower and it pretty much keeps it at bay.

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  • radroadkillradroadkill MDRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I second some exfoliation. Not to pimp out Lush but maybe something like Angels on Bareskin; it's a gentle exfoliator, but the rose helps with redness and and glycerin will help keep some moisture in. I'd avoid anything that has alcohol in it as well ass drying scrubs- No mostly salt based or sugar based scrubs with little to no cutting agents- they might just make it worse. Alcohol based products will more than likely dry it out more; any products with a lot of citrus will do the same. And it might help to do the light exfoliation every other day, or maybe less; some trail and error will help but on that spot it may end up that every day exfoliation will just keep it irritated.

    Other good moisturizing things: seaweed, aloe, cocoa butter, avocado oil, olive oil, coconut oil. Soothing things: lavender, rose, chamomile, calamine (but don't go into excess with anything containing this or it can be drying too!)

    Also, if you want to pop in you could ask for a sample of Skin Nanny; cheap but super moisturizing.


    Oh! and how long ago did the dry patch start? It's possible is a climate thing; I forget exactly how long you've been there but maybe it's not adjusting well or if the climate has been off from it's usual it might be freaking out. I doubt it's an allergic reaction.

    And if it is something like a psoriasis spot and you're not going in to have it looked at all I know is most of my customers that has problems like that would do what I've just done; gentle exfoliation, good moisturizer. (AOBS/ocean salt, Breath or Eau Roma water toner, a heavier but gentle moisturizer.)

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  • JAmp5JAmp5 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Drinking more water might be the solution. I got this when I moved back home for a bit (lots of chalk in the water down here) drinking more water every day fixed it in no time.

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  • PasserbyePasserbye I am much older than you. in Beach CityRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Regular moisturizer every day? Usually, sometimes every other day in the summer since the heat makes my skin oilier.

    Exfoliation? I use Angels on Bareskin, but once a week at the most since more than that irritates my skin.

    Duration? This started about two weeks ago. I've lived in Washington state since '05 and Seattle specifically (which I've found is drier than Olympia) since March.

    It just seems odd to me since it's one small patch on my forehead, the rest of which is fine; especially since it doesn't hurt or itch. If it were around the nose or lips that would make more sense to me since the skin there tends to be finer and more sensitive.

    Edit: I ordinarily drink at least 1 litre, usually 2, of water a day. This could be a reaction to Ramadan, since until the beginning of last week I was fasting, and thus neither drinking water nor eating during the day. This last week though I had swine flu so I was up to my usual water intake, the dry patch still occurred.

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I just got something similar to this the other day, but behind one of my ears. I'll be watching this closely.

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  • DusT_HounDDusT_HounD Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Here's an odd one, but do you use hair gel/ other product? If so, do you shower in the morning or evening? I previously had an allergic reaction to too much hair gel, not because of putting it on my hair, but because i used to shower in the morning, so was going to bed with all this crap in my hair, which would build up on my pillow, and irritate my skin. (I change pillowcases once per week.)

    Also, even though you may have had no problems in the past with it, this dry patch might just need more constant attention as you (gasp!) age- if you give it extra moisturiser to recover, then go back to your previous pattern when it's better, but it recurs, it may just indicate that the normal pattern might not work as well as it used to... Just sayin...:P

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  • PasserbyePasserbye I am much older than you. in Beach CityRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    No, I don't use any hair products.

    As I'm 24 years old and my skin care 'routine' is a relatively new addition (up until a few months ago I didn't do more than wash daily, the toner/moisturizer are new) I don't think it's aging. If things change when I'm 30, then I'll think about that.

    Also, the idea of aging doesn't bother me in the slightest (it happens to everyone, so why worry as long as I'm healthy?) so no need for 'just sayin's'. :)

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The physical description sounds like localized psoraisis, although the picture you've taken doesn't exactly look like it. Which means either (a) you don't have psoraisis, or (b) you are incredibly lucky because your psoraisis isn't immediately noticeable.

    I do have psoraisis, and it was pretty bad when I was a teenager (it responds to your hormone levels--are you a teenager?). It took a while to figure out a way to get it under control, but eventually I got it all worked out. All you can see of it now is a slight red patch where a dermatologist once tried burning it off with a laser (a decision I wish I could take back).

    There are some general skin tips I absolutely have to follow and which may help you, and indeed would probably help anyone. You don't have to obey all of them, but it is a helpful guideline for improving your own skin health.

    TOPICAL SKIN CARE TIPS:
    • Exfoliation: good because it removes dead skin and makes your skin look better, it also can clear away some of the dirt and dead skin from your sweat glands and allows you to pump out toxins better. The product you use is actually unimportant if you're doing other things to take care of your skin, so I use that St. Ives appricot pit stuff and it works just fine.
    • Moisturizing: my wife invests hundreds of dollars in medicated creams for her skin, but frankly I get the same results with pure peanut oil or extra virgin olive oil. On the downside, immediately afterwards I can smell a bit like a salad, but you're not putting on a product that has a bunch of chemicals and ingredients added to it, which means that stuff isn't getting leeched into your pores or your skin cells themselves.
    DIETARY STUFF: Be more conscientious about what you eat. Here's what you need to remember -- your skin is not just there for people to look at and to keep your organs bundled in away from the dirty outside world. It's actually also the largest organ involved in the elimination of toxins and waste from your body, via your sweat glands. Anything you eat that isn't converted into energy, stored as protein or fat or excreted as feces or urine? It's coming out your skin, buddy. It's why heavy drinkers reek of booze and people on the Atkins diet are a little more smelly than other people. My food recommendations:
    1. Water: drink a lot of it. It makes it easier to sweat toxins out of your body, reduces the concentration of any remaining toxins. Sweating is going to be a huge part of my advice down the line, so water is critical.
    2. SALADS: Eat more of them. Raw fruits and vegetables are your friends -- they're simpler sugars that are easier to digest, leaving less waste to be eliminated. Bitter fruits and vegetables are alkaline, which is better for your own body chemistry. And they contain fiber, which will help you take care of your intestines. Try to avoid including the following ingredients:
      • Lettuce: most lettuce that we grow commercially is of zero dietary benefit, other than as a fiber. It's been cultivated too long to still be alkaline. Steer away from the iceburg lettuce, say yes to arugala instead -- the bitter flavor is the alkaline ph, which is great for your skin.
      • Bacon, cheese, eggs, etc.: all that stuff that comes on a salad at Outback or TGI Fridays may make it taste yummy to people who normally don't like salads, but it is reducing the digestive benefits of said salad.
      • Creamy salad dressings: loaded with stuff that you're going to have a harder time digesting than, say, balsalmic vinegar and extra virgin olive oil. I tend to forgo a lot of salad dressing anyway and instead use olive oil, lemon juice, and cracked black pepper, as it's healthier than vinegar still.
    3. RED MEATS: Eat less of them. The human body is omnivorous, but we aren't actually predisposed towards breaking down red meats as easily as we do poultry, so there are more toxins left over to eliminate when we're done with them.
    4. Coffee: keep drinking it, but try to drink it black as often as you can. Milk and cream curdle very slightly in hot coffee, and this creates more toxins for you to deal with.
    5. Milk: you can keep drinking it, but make sure you don't mix it with anything -- adding almost anything to milk will start to curdle it, even if it's sitting in your stomach. You know those ads they used to have about how Cheerios is part of this complete balanced breakfast, and there was a picture of a table set with both milk and orange juice? Yeak, okay, try adding orange juice to 2% milk in a cup and watch it for twenty minutes. You will never drink those two things together again.
    6. Yogurt: eat more. Yogurt contains cultures of good bacteria, often known as pro-biotics, which aid in digestion and compete against harmful bacterias in your body for resoures, making it harder for these bad biotics to flourish in your system. Healthy digestion = healthy skin.
    7. Alcohol: drink less. Alcohol dehydrates you and leaves a lot of toxins in your skin, a dermatological double-whammie.
    8. Artificial sweetners: cut that shit out. You know how your body doesn't convert sweet and low into energy or store it like fat, so obviously it's healthy? That's so obviously horseshit, right? I'm not saying it causes cancer or anything crazy like that, but I am saying that if you're ingesting and absorbing something, unless you're converting it into a protein of some sort, it has to get back out of you again somehow, or it will build up in your system. A lot of it comes out your skin, and if you reduce your intake, you reduce the burden.
    9. Bleached sugar: you could also try to cut back on this -- it's overly processed. Natural cane sugar is easier on your system. Actually, come to think of it, try cutting back on as much processed stuff as you can.
    FOR THE SUPER HARDCORE:
    • Sweating: this is how the vast majority of toxins get out of your skin. You can help the process along with epsom salt baths or dead sea salt baths if you feel like being posh. The salt dissolves in the water into ions, lowering the vapor pressure, meaning the water can retain more thermal energy without boiling. That's right -- cook the shit out of yourself. A lot of the toxins will leach through your pores into the water while you cook. Afterwards, rins yourself off with pure luke warm water. DRINK LOTS OF WATER BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER TO PREVENT DEHYRDRATION.
    • Sun: So, there's a happy medium with some skin dryness. If it doesn't get UV light, it gets sallow. If it gets too much, it gets sunburned and dries out, and the resulting damage makes it harder for it to eliminate toxins. Make sure you're getting some sun, but wear strong sunscreen to prevent any damage.
    • High colonics or enemas: Okay, not everyone wants to do this, and if you don't I won't blame you. I've tried it twice and it's super uncomfortable. However: if there are toxins in your intestines that aren't getting eliminated properly through the excrementory process, your body will compensate by trying to send that shit out through your skin (more or less literally). Cleaning out your large intestines can make them function more efficiently and ease the burden on your pores as a toxin-excreting organ.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    What are these mysterious toxins that come from curdled milk? You know how cheese and yogurt is made, right?

    Your milk mixed with orange juice example is a little nonsensical considering your stomach is filled with hydrochloric acid. Imagine what milk does when it hits that shit!

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I had/have something very similar to this. I eventually had it checked out after dealing with it using OTC moisturizer for 4-5 months, and was diagnosed with a very mild form of dermatitis (forget the name, google's failing me.)

    I was proscribed a topical cream, cleared it right up, and I hardly have to use it anymore. I'll poke my head in the bathroom and see what it's called here in a second.

    edit: Seborrheic dermatitis is what it was. Treated with Prascion (sodium sulfacetamide)

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  • EskimoDaveEskimoDave Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The pictures don't work currently, but eczema is the most common cause of rashes/dry patches (I think). It has many different symptoms. Hydrocortisone is a mild steroid-type cream that you can get 'over-the-counter'. It should help clear it up in a few days. If that doesn't work then talk to a doctor.

    ps Seborrheic dermatitis is also called Seborrheic eczema.

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  • PasserbyePasserbye I am much older than you. in Beach CityRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Seborrheic eczema - Sounds a lot like the dry patch. It would also explain the bizarre uber-proto-dandruff I've had my whole life (the stuff that Selsen Blue, Head & Shoulders, etc. have never been able to make a dent in). I remember my parents taking me to a dermatologist and getting me special prescription shampoo for it when I was a teen but I don't remember what the diagnosis or treatment was.

    I guess I'll have to email my parents and ask about it.

    And find money to go to the doctor if the exfoliation and lotion-change treatment don't prove effective.

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