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I'm going to be bold and make the claim for ownership of the shock, aaaannnd... my own issue, censorship. all agree yea / nay
Also, in the big infodump post above, I'll post who owns what. Claims for ownership of something will be in cyan, and if everyone's cool with the claim and it's not disputed, I'll change it to delicious lime.
Fanaticism would be my choice of what others suggested.
Choose Your Own Chat 1 Choose Your Own Chat 2 Choose Your Own Chat 3
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Here's our grid:
Everyone pick an intersection to play at. Remember - can't play at an intersection where you own the issue, and more than one person can play at the same intersection, and some might not get used!
I'll take the intersection at... Surveillance and Death Visions. You all can go ahead and pick!
And now, we can also make our minutiae! Go ahead and do that while you pick an intersection.
I'll start a big pool up in the Infodump post of current minutiae.
For our shock:
And as we need more information or come up with more ideas for the shock, throw ideas to me and I'll make it minutiae or discuss it with you.
Censorship!
Everyone else start making minutiae!
Racism Minutiae
- "Shortly after the death visions incident, the Klan was strengthened by a new subset of members who believe it is up to them to make the visions come true for 'lesser races.'
- "There are some who approach the imprisonment of androids with a rather religious fervor, believing that androids are not only dangerous by function but by form, being comparable to animated abominations."
Fanaticism Minutiae
Condemnation Minutiae
- During the brief time where death visions were legal to speak of, the prison system became vastly overcrowded as anyone who professed their death could be seen in a dubious light - being shot by a police officer, suicide bombing - was immediately thrown into jail, without trial.
- Victims of heinous "pre-crime" such as rape suffer much of the same mental damage and social stigma as those who have actually experienced the crime.
edit: also who the hell came up with "condemnation", this one is impossible to work with
edit 2: hate you so much, egos
Hey I didn't know where this was going. Summer just said name an issue that bugs you.
edit: If it makes it easier- think of it as "Judging others" - that falls under condemnation.
I'm going to eat your bones and shit out your ghost
How's that for condemnation
it's a fine issue, simonwolf is just a cranky old man
where's your walker, cranky old man
I think that would be more like damnation..
Oh, totally. Everyone's minutiae has been fuck awesome thus far. Really excited for this.
Largely in terms of technology, disasters, what/who exists.
It can't affect other peoples' shit, anything they own without their permission.
Other than that? You guys are making the world. Go nuts. See how I just invented prophetic androids? Any of you can too. You all have been! Implicitly or explicitly, you're forming groups, teams, enemies, and plots.
The only restriction: if we hate what you say, if it ruins the game, if it's boring or bland or just not cool enough, we can bitch about it and make you rework it.
- Vigilante groups have been rising in number to pursue people who have been "identified" through the visions as future murderers, rapists, etc. The government has been turning a blind eye to these actions, though the official stance is that vigilantism is still illegal.
Sweet. I'm totally one of these guys.
don't need no doctor going straight to the hospital
Is it like Final Destination? Or does the Vision get revised? Or are the Visions slightly hazy and they may have got the wrong guy- and the vision will still come true regardless?
Or is it a "mystery"?
Unity is going to stab Prudence right in her daddy-hole. And I'm not talking about her mouth.
also updated, let's see what happens
Hmm. You're safe, but androids go batshit and (unwillingly) reveal your every move from their government prison. Makes them go haywire temporarily. Government tracks you down and takes you back for... Something.
I think that the death visions don't take into account that the person would act on them. Which is why the androids start goin' nuts.
Lets say though its a you die in a drunk driving accident- either as the person hit or say as the driver. Hypothetically if the person decides never to cross the street again or drive again (depending on who they were)- do the androids still go nuts?
I'd prefer to think of such things as "never drinking" or "never crossing the street" as being choices which still have the potential of happening. It's all well and good if you promise to never cross the street, but what if a group of thugs try to rob you, and you make a break for it? Your promise to "never cross the street" might be forgotten for that brief moment, and... thud. Fate completed.
Of course, killing the person who was supposed to kill you would cause some havoc in the androids. But making a vague promise to never do something again? I think that fate generally finds a way to work around our self-made promises like that.
It would depend on vivid the visions are. If people can figure out who the murderers are - I would think they get a fair enough of information. So couldn't you figure out if you are say in your 20-30s range when you are driving the car or crossing the street? Or if you know you are a teenager.
I don't know if they would be vague promises...if they know they are gonna die that way.
They'd be specific promises, sure! But promises were made to be broken, and I'm pretty sure we can milk some serious story out of the way they get broken by some people.
Not specified. But I would imagine you might get a general sense. E.g. If (at the time) you are with a friend who is close to their current age- you can assume it happens soon. Or if you look down at your body and see a beer belly you don't currently have-you might deduce it happens mid-life or so. If you jump off a building and there are flying cars - you can assume its not for a while 8-) etc.
edit: I think the key factors would be
1. How different is the environment than the current one
2. If you are around anyone you currently know at the time.
3. Style of Dress (this may be subtle)
4. If you are able to get any glimpse of yourself (hands /anything)
The government's greatest weapon for tracking down rogue androids? A
worldwide network of AI-driven surveillance technology, that has a particular grudge against their more mobile brethren. The only downside? Beyond androids, the AIs pick and choose what they want to report in on. They seem to have a particular fondness for watching vigilante activity.Some citizens have learned to
escape watch by being particularly boring and nondescript. On the opposite end of the spectrum, some particularly flamboyant actions can act as good distractions. Or simply draw enough interest to escape timely report.Individual dwellings (and sometimes larger chunks of civilization) have been
swept clean of equipment by their inhabitants. These could be dens of resistance to authority, or simple lawless "no man's lands" filled with criminal activity.Many have gone to great lengths to
avoid having their actions recorded. For a price, full-body suits that show up invisible on camera can be found. Of course, eyewitnesses can still be a problem. Public concerts have also become a hot spot for avoiding audio surveillance. Still others manage to hack or simply befriend the local AI, and have it do their bidding.I hope I didn't go too far with that. And I'll go with the Condemnation overlap. You should also probably redo the first post. Either put all the info we need there, or put in links to just the posts where you're storing info. Hard to scour each page to track down bits of information.
Reynolds, now I'm conflicted - do I want to be the type of murderer-hunter simonwolf created, or an android in hiding? Shit. I'm glad I posted this here to play
To Egos and simonwolf! Don't consider what I'm saying here official on the topic of the shock yet, I'm simply engaging in discussion for now.
Pretty much. I'm figuring the Visions to be arbitrary and not really caring about their own existence. They just happen, the same way rain doesn't care if you get wet. The reason being, I think it's more dramatic to just throw this shit at everyone and say, Deal with it. Though there is a certain haunting charm to the visions wanting to be heard, some sort of force creating them and trying to help everyone out. I don't know. Either way, as of now, it's out of the Visions' hands completely.
As simonwolf suggested, fate would try to correct itself. Theoretically, that corrective action could continue for all eternity if you're really lucky, a loophole in avoiding being noticed by the androids. Again, this isn't official ruling. I'm very much open to hearing feedback on what I say, here.
Not sure, as I said above. The way the government's responding, maybe they had something to do with it, some sort of accident they want to keep quiet. Or the androids, and the higher-ups in society freak out and snatch them up. Or maybe it's all unrelated. Personally, I'm edging towards the first one.
It's vivid in the fact that you can totally see it happening, and even a little bit after you "die". That initial vision was crystal clear, but it didn't fill you in on anything you couldn't tell with your five senses. You don't know how old you are, but you see your skin and your clothes and can kinda tell. You know where you are and who you're with, so you probably try to avoid that - which, again, just causes fate to try to work around the obstacle you've thrown it. The little flickers people see periodically are hazy, completely dreamy, but they cover not only the death, but brief moments before and after, even as far as a few weeks back.
I'm attempting to craft it for nothing less.
I told some friends about the game and they found it really compelling. I may be giving this book a purchase very soon.
And the book's got tons of crap I didn't include here. It takes a bunch of sci-fi films, books, TV shows, graphic novels, etc., and breaks them down into shocks and issues. It also has amazing fiction in it from an actual play, inspirations for music, and a couple of different house rules you can try out.
I would buy the book, but I have the age-old problem of not having anyone in real life to play games like this with.
Why would fate not try to correct things if its a murder? If you are hit by a specific SUV on a specific night under certain circumstances or killed by a gang or creep because you happened to be walking alone on the wrong night?
It makes a bit more sense if the murders were pre-planned? Or are murders special in some unforeseen way?