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I'd like to have a go at making Let's Plays with not-old games (i.e. made in the last decade) but I'm not sure what software to use.
Preferably freeware / open-source. Google has revealed not much that is helpful, other than to use CamStudio, but if I do the game lags (and the game I was testing it on was Deus Ex).
Fraps! It is pretty awesome; shell out the $10 to get the full version.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
edited September 2009
If you go over to the Something Awful forum, they have a sticky in their Let's Play section that has all sorts of information about this, including some technical gubbins that you might run into.
Edit - And I'd link it but in my experience direct links to SA don't work unless you're a member, but it works out fine if you just go in yourself from the front page.
Step 1: Enjoy game
Step 2: Haha, I should write an LP of it!
Step 3: Oh god I am bad at writing.
Step 4: This is taking too long, why the hell did I start this?
Step 5: Twist ending/abandoned LP.
Step 1: Enjoy game
Step 2: Haha, I should write an LP of it!
Step 3: Oh god I am bad at writing.
Step 4: This is taking too long, why the hell did I start this?
Step 5: Twist ending/abandoned LP.
Reminds me, LPing that RPG with funny dialogue MAY sound fun at first but don't abandon it halfway through!
HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
edited September 2009
If you LP an RPG and do it via screenshots, the most effective thing I can suggest is that you include screenshots and write-outs of the game dialog, but you include your own lines injected (format it so that actual dialog is italicized or something). The Phantasy Star 4 LP does this and I thought it was good.
I'd be terrified if it was just me and the game. I'd need a guest commentator or something to bounce off of and fill silences.
I had that problem for the mirrors edge lp. After awhile, it just wasn't entertaining to watch me play the game so I ended up shelving that one....
That said, don't fill up the silence just because you can- I don't think people want to listen to non-stop talking because you're afraid of a little silence.
I prefer doing screenshot LPs... along with games that lend themselves to it, because you don't have to worry about pacing with the game, just pacing in general. I think they're easier to do.
I'd be terrified if it was just me and the game. I'd need a guest commentator or something to bounce off of and fill silences.
I had that problem for the mirrors edge lp. After awhile, it just wasn't entertaining to watch me play the game so I ended up shelving that one....
That said, don't fill up the silence just because you can- I don't think people want to listen to non-stop talking because you're afraid of a little silence.
I was actually referring to your post. But yeah, a game that is so sparse in terms of things happening would make it really tough.
I prefer doing screenshot LPs... along with games that lend themselves to it, because you don't have to worry about pacing with the game, just pacing in general. I think they're easier to do.
Those just seem like a behemoth in terms of the work you'd have to do. Screen shotting the right moments in a cutscene or risk missing it forever, writing all that dialog as well as snarky side comments...
I'd be terrified if it was just me and the game. I'd need a guest commentator or something to bounce off of and fill silences.
I had that problem for the mirrors edge lp. After awhile, it just wasn't entertaining to watch me play the game so I ended up shelving that one....
That said, don't fill up the silence just because you can- I don't think people want to listen to non-stop talking because you're afraid of a little silence.
I was actually referring to your post. But yeah, a game that is so sparse in terms of things happening would make it really tough.
I prefer doing screenshot LPs... along with games that lend themselves to it, because you don't have to worry about pacing with the game, just pacing in general. I think they're easier to do.
Those just seem like a behemoth in terms of the work you'd have to do. Screen shotting the right moments in a cutscene or risk missing it forever, writing all that dialog as well as snarky side comments...
With SEV I ended up using maaaaybe half of the screenshots I took. Eventually you just adjust to constantly screenshotting.
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I prefer doing screenshot LPs... along with games that lend themselves to it, because you don't have to worry about pacing with the game, just pacing in general. I think they're easier to do.
I can definitely see why video would be easier. No saving and rehosting a few hundred(or thousand!) images. I started a second with images like my first, but I'm considering switching to video.
Fraps seemed inadequate, since it stopped at 30 seconds. Any other recommendations for recording?
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NappuccinoSurveyor of Things and StuffRegistered Userregular
edited September 2009
fraps is fine if you buy it.
just be warned the video files are huge (2+ GB for 10 min alone- or atleast, that's how they come out for me)
Personally, I prefer screenshot LP's--I can read them at work/in class and not have to have sound, and I feel like you can play around a lot more with the timing.
Expect it to take much longer than you think. Depending on how you do it (for example, off-the-cuff or post-play commentary), how well you play when you're being watched (I'm absolutely terrible when I play for an audience), and how many times you or your computer screws up and you have to re-record, it will probably take you at least twice as long and up to four times as long as playing through the game regularly.
It's quite a bit of work. I did two relatively short portable Zelda LPs (Minish Cap and Link's Awakening) and it was the only time I haven't really enjoyed playing them; it actually felt like work.
Please, if you decide to start a Let's Play, follow through. I've had my heart broken so many times watching LPs stopping dead in the middle (I'M LOOKING AT YOU FINAL FANTASY 9!)
Personally, I prefer screenshot LP's--I can read them at work/in class and not have to have sound, and I feel like you can play around a lot more with the timing.
They have their issues.
For instance, let's say I'm doing a let's play.
My images are
and
Ok, so these two shots are ships in a space battle, right? The first one is my little fighter up against some huge dreadnaught ship thing. The second is me taking out that big ship. Basically my ships are being awesome avatars of death.
I could write that connection a few different ways. One of my favorite techniques to use when you're dealing with images that are pretty close to one another is to go with a disconnected over-arching piece of text that then makes sense when put together with the pictures, but is still unconnected. So something like:
So once in my Aikido class we had an 80 year old woman come in to the class. She was maybe 100 pounds, about 5"4', and was pretty much the typical sweet old grandmother who gives you hard candies when you visit.
(screenshot 1)
So she decides as an exercise that we should "all attack", to show us some group fighting techniques. This included our master and teachers. She threw us around like she was playing with dolls. I mean we're talking the head of the Ohio Aikido chapter, and this guys getting hurled across the room by the werthers grandmother.
(screenshot 2)
Anyways, I don't know what made me think about this story, but apparently the Eee decided to attack my poor little fighter. It didn't end up well for them
This is useful because people will figure out what's going on about halfway through the story(Big+storng getting ass kicked by little), it gives a personal anecdote which allows a connection, and provides a nice break from the "game world".
Another way to present it is the reversal of expectations.
(screenshot 1)
My fighter patrolling the sector came across a big-ass ship. We're talking multiples of 10 in terms of space here, this thing could fit multiple fighters in it. This thing's loaded with shields and super awesome laser shit, has a crew of 150 or so, and it's up against my one dude with bow and arrow.
(screenshot 2)
Man, Rambo was a great movie
This gives you a bit of flexibility with writing too, because you can get as florid as you want for the bridge, and only need to be concerned with brevity for the punchline.
By the way, you notice how those examples are horrible, horrible shit? That's because I didn't spend any time or thought into the writing of those, and just off-the-cuffed it. It's also because I'm a bad writer. SS LPs require a lot of non-game thought because you don't control any of the pacing. Video LPs will always take the same amount of time and command the same amount of attention. So yeah, you do have some freedom in timing, and Screenshots are basically super line-breaks, but you also have no control in timing, and you do have to think about the writing. The best video LPs do have written dialogue to go with the video, but you can get away with poor writing and speech in a video LP a lot more than if your idea of good writing is
(SS1)
So ships went all pew pew and there were lasers and explosions and BAM stuff blew up
(SS2)
see there's the blowing up
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just be warned the video files are huge (2+ GB for 10 min alone- or atleast, that's how they come out for me)
Use VirtualDub or Handbrake to compress the video to something reasonable.
When I did my OOT LP I did this:
1) Hook up GameCube via capture card
2) Use DScaler to record raw video and game sounds. For a dungeon, this ended up being around 20 GB.
3) Record audio in Audacity on a separate PC. (Before the I started, I would rotate the pause menus to sync the soundtracks.)
4) Use VirtualDub to rip the audio from the video.
5) Sync the two audio tracks in Audacity. Adjust the levels and save as one combined track.
6) In VirtualDub, specify your new combined track as the soundtrack for the video.
7) Edit the video (i.e., cut out the audio syncs, parts that drag on, you dying 50 times, etc.)
8) Export as a compressed video. Popular codecs these days are xvid and H.264.
9) Upload to Youtube or Dailymotion or whatever video site hosts large files and doesn't suck these days.
Please, if you decide to start a Let's Play, follow through. I've had my heart broken so many times watching LPs stopping dead in the middle (I'M LOOKING AT YOU FINAL FANTASY 9!)
Final Fantasy 9 is on hiatus cause Minion had computer issues and lost his saves. He's probably going to have to play it again. Whether or not he actually is isn't in my current realm of knowledge.
Most things I'd advise have been said here already. Like make sure you're prepared for the amount of work it can be, and like stated in the forum rules, ask yourself: "Can I really make this funny or interesting?" Honestly though, it ended up being less work than I expected once I got the hang of it.
Oh, and if you do screenshots, make sure you have a good host, and don't use photobucket. You'll get to your third update and hit your bandwidth limit, since I know this forum has a fair share of lurkers.
just be warned the video files are huge (2+ GB for 10 min alone- or atleast, that's how they come out for me)
Use VirtualDub or Handbrake to compress the video to something reasonable.
Yes, but the initial video still takes up that space while you're recording. If you have, say a 150 gb HD that's already getting full with music, programs, and videos, you have to think about expanding before recording or else the video could cut off mid-attempt when your HD runs out of space.
Also, compression seems to remove some of the vibrancy of the original footage.
One more thing, not a technical side of this; if you do an LP, you must either be entertaining, funny, informative, or any combination of those.
easily the most important aspect of an LP. there are so many embarrassing LP's out there
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NappuccinoSurveyor of Things and StuffRegistered Userregular
edited September 2009
While perhaps not everyone cup of tea, the embarrassing LP's are still worthy assuming they are entertaining/funny. Now, most are not, but there are a few that meet that qualification.
One more thing, not a technical side of this; if you do an LP, you must either be entertaining, funny, informative, or any combination of those.
Also acceptable for video LPs if you're just wicked good at the game. TSR had a sonic let's play a while ago that got abandoned halfway through CD that was fun to watch simply because of the masterful playing.
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edited September 2009
Being good at the game is included in entertaining. The point is, don't be one of those people who sucks at a game, can't provide any funny commentary or interesting insights about the game, don't inform about the game, etc.
Basically, watch the Retsupurae stuff. The things they comment on are how to not do an LP. :P
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
Please, if you decide to start a Let's Play, follow through. I've had my heart broken so many times watching LPs stopping dead in the middle (I'M LOOKING AT YOU FINAL FANTASY 9!)
Final Fantasy 9 is on hiatus cause Minion had computer issues and lost his saves. He's probably going to have to play it again. Whether or not he actually is isn't in my current realm of knowledge.
Most things I'd advise have been said here already. Like make sure you're prepared for the amount of work it can be, and like stated in the forum rules, ask yourself: "Can I really make this funny or interesting?" Honestly though, it ended up being less work than I expected once I got the hang of it.
Oh, and if you do screenshots, make sure you have a good host, and don't use photobucket. You'll get to your third update and hit your bandwidth limit, since I know this forum has a fair share of lurkers.
Mine held out for a long time, but I assume that's because it didn't have that many followers.
Thinking of doing a screenshot LP of Star Control 2. I can do funny, but I'm best if I get to polish what I write beforehand, and text + screenshots seems to be best for that.
Plus, I'm always happy to plug an open source game.
I've had an idea in my head for a while now concerning a Let's Play.
I want to recreate my no titles, no gels, no deaths Mania run of Tales of Symphonia. I have a camera I could point at my TV, and I'd only record the important battles and bosses, along with commentary on how I've set each fight up -- with those handicaps on Mania the set-up is more important than the actual fight half the time -- and maybe later on votes on who to keep in the main party. I have no idea if anyone would want to watch it, though.
I've had an idea in my head for a while now concerning a Let's Play.
I want to recreate my no titles, no gels, no deaths Mania run of Tales of Symphonia. I have a camera I could point at my TV, and I'd only record the important battles and bosses, along with commentary on how I've set each fight up -- with those handicaps on Mania the set-up is more important than the actual fight half the time -- and maybe later on votes on who to keep in the main party. I have no idea if anyone would want to watch it, though.
Any ideas?
I've never really liked camera -> TV Let's Plays, or youtubes or anything. Would an emulator or TV capture card be more appropriate?
It looks easier like that, since I can do any talking I need to do with the camera next to me.
However, I'd probably want to be listening to music or something while I do it, since I've gone through the game a few times and know everything by heart, and I'm not playing to it show the story.
Youtube should be fine, though; I use basically the same setup when I record fighting game tourney vids, and it works well enough.
I'll echo what people have said about screen shot Let's Plays.
You will spend far more time editing, copy and pasting screen shots back and forth than playing it. I prefer them to video ones and that's why I did mine in this format but just understand that they are time intensive.
Above all you want to enjoy playing whatever game it is you're going to do. Make sure that either the game is entertaining or that you can make that so. If it's a game with custom units or you can customise ship/unit names get other forumers to sign up for a ship of their own so they feel like they're a part of it. The X-Com thread in SE++ is a great example of this and has been going since forever. One of the guys is a weapons platform and upon death has his back up injected into a new one for the next mission.
I've had an idea in my head for a while now concerning a Let's Play.
I want to recreate my no titles, no gels, no deaths Mania run of Tales of Symphonia. I have a camera I could point at my TV, and I'd only record the important battles and bosses, along with commentary on how I've set each fight up -- with those handicaps on Mania the set-up is more important than the actual fight half the time -- and maybe later on votes on who to keep in the main party. I have no idea if anyone would want to watch it, though.
Any ideas?
As an avid LP watcher I'll say this.
Never.
EVER.
Record an LP by pointing a camera at your TV. It is pretty much objectively awful. Get a Gamebridge or an EasyCap USB or something like that.
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edited September 2009
Instead of pointing a camera at your TV, which will produce bad BAD quality video (as well as scanline issues), get a video capture device. It doesn't have to be anything fancy. I had a video card many years ago that had a video input, and I hooked my TV into it and I recorded stuff like me playing GTA3 and such through Windows Movie Maker (I believe it had a record function, I might've had a separate program for the recording I forget).
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Saying that you're using an emulator would be an extremely bad idea on these forums.
As far as i know, as long as he actually owns the game and system, playing it on an emulator isn't illegal, but downloading the rom to play it on the emulator is. (i.e. if you a) make your own back up copy of the game, or b) just place the disc in your drive and play that, it is ok)
But i could be completely wrong- so... look it up before you start the lp to make sure you're doing everything legally
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Edit - And I'd link it but in my experience direct links to SA don't work unless you're a member, but it works out fine if you just go in yourself from the front page.
Step 2: Haha, I should write an LP of it!
Step 3: Oh god I am bad at writing.
Step 4: This is taking too long, why the hell did I start this?
Step 5: Twist ending/abandoned LP.
Reminds me, LPing that RPG with funny dialogue MAY sound fun at first but don't abandon it halfway through!
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I had that problem for the mirrors edge lp. After awhile, it just wasn't entertaining to watch me play the game so I ended up shelving that one....
That said, don't fill up the silence just because you can- I don't think people want to listen to non-stop talking because you're afraid of a little silence.
I was actually referring to your post. But yeah, a game that is so sparse in terms of things happening would make it really tough.
edit:
Those just seem like a behemoth in terms of the work you'd have to do. Screen shotting the right moments in a cutscene or risk missing it forever, writing all that dialog as well as snarky side comments...
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With SEV I ended up using maaaaybe half of the screenshots I took. Eventually you just adjust to constantly screenshotting.
I can definitely see why video would be easier. No saving and rehosting a few hundred(or thousand!) images. I started a second with images like my first, but I'm considering switching to video.
Fraps seemed inadequate, since it stopped at 30 seconds. Any other recommendations for recording?
just be warned the video files are huge (2+ GB for 10 min alone- or atleast, that's how they come out for me)
It's quite a bit of work. I did two relatively short portable Zelda LPs (Minish Cap and Link's Awakening) and it was the only time I haven't really enjoyed playing them; it actually felt like work.
Please, if you decide to start a Let's Play, follow through. I've had my heart broken so many times watching LPs stopping dead in the middle (I'M LOOKING AT YOU FINAL FANTASY 9!)
They have their issues.
For instance, let's say I'm doing a let's play.
My images are
and
Ok, so these two shots are ships in a space battle, right? The first one is my little fighter up against some huge dreadnaught ship thing. The second is me taking out that big ship. Basically my ships are being awesome avatars of death.
I could write that connection a few different ways. One of my favorite techniques to use when you're dealing with images that are pretty close to one another is to go with a disconnected over-arching piece of text that then makes sense when put together with the pictures, but is still unconnected. So something like:
This is useful because people will figure out what's going on about halfway through the story(Big+storng getting ass kicked by little), it gives a personal anecdote which allows a connection, and provides a nice break from the "game world".
Another way to present it is the reversal of expectations.
This gives you a bit of flexibility with writing too, because you can get as florid as you want for the bridge, and only need to be concerned with brevity for the punchline.
By the way, you notice how those examples are horrible, horrible shit? That's because I didn't spend any time or thought into the writing of those, and just off-the-cuffed it. It's also because I'm a bad writer. SS LPs require a lot of non-game thought because you don't control any of the pacing. Video LPs will always take the same amount of time and command the same amount of attention. So yeah, you do have some freedom in timing, and Screenshots are basically super line-breaks, but you also have no control in timing, and you do have to think about the writing. The best video LPs do have written dialogue to go with the video, but you can get away with poor writing and speech in a video LP a lot more than if your idea of good writing is
Use VirtualDub or Handbrake to compress the video to something reasonable.
When I did my OOT LP I did this:
1) Hook up GameCube via capture card
2) Use DScaler to record raw video and game sounds. For a dungeon, this ended up being around 20 GB.
3) Record audio in Audacity on a separate PC. (Before the I started, I would rotate the pause menus to sync the soundtracks.)
4) Use VirtualDub to rip the audio from the video.
5) Sync the two audio tracks in Audacity. Adjust the levels and save as one combined track.
6) In VirtualDub, specify your new combined track as the soundtrack for the video.
7) Edit the video (i.e., cut out the audio syncs, parts that drag on, you dying 50 times, etc.)
8) Export as a compressed video. Popular codecs these days are xvid and H.264.
9) Upload to Youtube or Dailymotion or whatever video site hosts large files and doesn't suck these days.
Final Fantasy 9 is on hiatus cause Minion had computer issues and lost his saves. He's probably going to have to play it again. Whether or not he actually is isn't in my current realm of knowledge.
Most things I'd advise have been said here already. Like make sure you're prepared for the amount of work it can be, and like stated in the forum rules, ask yourself: "Can I really make this funny or interesting?" Honestly though, it ended up being less work than I expected once I got the hang of it.
Oh, and if you do screenshots, make sure you have a good host, and don't use photobucket. You'll get to your third update and hit your bandwidth limit, since I know this forum has a fair share of lurkers.
Yes, but the initial video still takes up that space while you're recording. If you have, say a 150 gb HD that's already getting full with music, programs, and videos, you have to think about expanding before recording or else the video could cut off mid-attempt when your HD runs out of space.
Also, compression seems to remove some of the vibrancy of the original footage.
easily the most important aspect of an LP. there are so many embarrassing LP's out there
Also acceptable for video LPs if you're just wicked good at the game. TSR had a sonic let's play a while ago that got abandoned halfway through CD that was fun to watch simply because of the masterful playing.
Basically, watch the Retsupurae stuff. The things they comment on are how to not do an LP. :P
Mine held out for a long time, but I assume that's because it didn't have that many followers.
Thinking of doing a screenshot LP of Star Control 2. I can do funny, but I'm best if I get to polish what I write beforehand, and text + screenshots seems to be best for that.
Plus, I'm always happy to plug an open source game.
I want to recreate my no titles, no gels, no deaths Mania run of Tales of Symphonia. I have a camera I could point at my TV, and I'd only record the important battles and bosses, along with commentary on how I've set each fight up -- with those handicaps on Mania the set-up is more important than the actual fight half the time -- and maybe later on votes on who to keep in the main party. I have no idea if anyone would want to watch it, though.
Any ideas?
Anyone want to beta read a paranormal mystery novella? Here's your chance.
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I've never really liked camera -> TV Let's Plays, or youtubes or anything. Would an emulator or TV capture card be more appropriate?
It looks easier like that, since I can do any talking I need to do with the camera next to me.
However, I'd probably want to be listening to music or something while I do it, since I've gone through the game a few times and know everything by heart, and I'm not playing to it show the story.
Youtube should be fine, though; I use basically the same setup when I record fighting game tourney vids, and it works well enough.
Anyone want to beta read a paranormal mystery novella? Here's your chance.
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You will spend far more time editing, copy and pasting screen shots back and forth than playing it. I prefer them to video ones and that's why I did mine in this format but just understand that they are time intensive.
Above all you want to enjoy playing whatever game it is you're going to do. Make sure that either the game is entertaining or that you can make that so. If it's a game with custom units or you can customise ship/unit names get other forumers to sign up for a ship of their own so they feel like they're a part of it. The X-Com thread in SE++ is a great example of this and has been going since forever. One of the guys is a weapons platform and upon death has his back up injected into a new one for the next mission.
As an avid LP watcher I'll say this.
Never.
EVER.
Record an LP by pointing a camera at your TV. It is pretty much objectively awful. Get a Gamebridge or an EasyCap USB or something like that.
As far as i know, as long as he actually owns the game and system, playing it on an emulator isn't illegal, but downloading the rom to play it on the emulator is. (i.e. if you a) make your own back up copy of the game, or b) just place the disc in your drive and play that, it is ok)
But i could be completely wrong- so... look it up before you start the lp to make sure you're doing everything legally