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Does this stuff actually even work? Because I've heard lots of conlficting accounts of it. Some saying it works like a treat, others saying it tastes like puke and doesn't have any effect what-so-fucking-ever.
So I turn to you people. The people who've made more sense to me than anyone else in my life. So, if any of you have firsthand experience of this stuff, please enlighten me. Does it do what it says on the bottle?
if you use it as a meal replacement, then yes it helps you lose weight in conjunction with excersize. if you want to bulk up for sports or something, then drink it along with your lunch and it will help you gain weight.
its basically everything you need for a lunch as far as nutrition goes without all the fluff
Does this stuff actually even work? Because I've heard lots of conlficting accounts of it. Some saying it works like a treat, others saying it tastes like puke and doesn't have any effect what-so-fucking-ever.
So I turn to you people. The people who've made more sense to me than anyone else in my life. So, if any of you have firsthand experience of this stuff, please enlighten me. Does it do what it says on the bottle?
It works the same as reducing your caloric intake, which is exactly what it does, only with the added benefit of tasting like crap.
Frankly, if you don't have the willpower to reduce your caloric intake on your own, chances are you won't be able to stick to slim fast for very long anyway.
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I'm in the business of losing fat, not gaining muscle.
I hear it works if you have it for breakfast and lunch then have a proper but "sensible" dinner. I'm assuming it works other ways? Like you have a normal breakfast, then have the stuff for lunch and dinner. Am I correct?
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
edited October 2009
If you "do it right", it will work. If you're having a shake for breakfast, then a bagel an hour later, then a shake for lunch, then a slice of pizza, and then fast food dinner... it's not going to work.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
edited October 2009
I think the purpose of having dinner be the "stay" meal is that you don't tend to eat a balanced meal for breakfast (namely: when's the last time you had vegetables for breakfast?)
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
Think of Slim Fast as liquid rations, and they work. It works the same way eating cheerios works to lower your cholesterol, by replacing other things that would have higher content.
You can accomplish the same thing with more variety my simply measuring out your calories effectively.
I think the purpose of having dinner be the "stay" meal is that you don't tend to eat a balanced meal for breakfast (namely: when's the last time you had vegetables for breakfast?)
This morning
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Raneadospolice apologistyou shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
you don't need slim fast at all
just eat healthier
don't eat candy and cakes and junk
there is no long lasting quickfix for weight loss other than meth
I'm in the business of losing fat, not gaining muscle.
I hear it works if you have it for breakfast and lunch then have a proper but "sensible" dinner. I'm assuming it works other ways? Like you have a normal breakfast, then have the stuff for lunch and dinner. Am I correct?
It doesn't "DO" anything. All it does is confine you to the contents of the can as a meal, which, in theory, will force you to intake less calories.
There's nothing magic about it.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
It can be handy for those who need a gimmick to stick to their weight loss plan (and there's nothing wrong with that). Note that each can is only something like 170 calories, so if your daily food intake is Shake-->Shake-->Dinner, you're going to be VERY hungry and cranky. If you really want to have nothing but Slim Fast with people food for dinner, I'd say have one every 3 hours with a piece of fruit or veggie alongside each one. It's never good to be ravenous.. make sure you've got food in your stomach all the time, just don't let it be filled to the brim or packed full of mozzerella sticks.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
Seriously, a better idea is to have a properly proportioned breakfast with a small amount of a healthy snack to eat slowly over the day. I personally use almonds for this, as they fill you up with just a few and are crazy awesome for you and also taste amazing.
I've done slimfast as a calorie boost during the day. I'd have sugar crashes and it was a quick fix. For weightloss, not so much. You HAVE to stick to the plan, 2 shakes as meals, no snacks, no crap, and a small/"sensible" dinner. Americans as a people have lost sight of the sensible part. 4 oz of low fat meat product, 6-12 oz of veggie stuff and 4-8 oz of starchy goodness is what we're supposed to get (or something along those lines). Instead, at least for me, it's 8-12 oz of fatlicious meat. 12-16 oz of rice or pasta and 3oz or so of veggies. I also gained 6 lbs in the last 3 months instead of loosing the 10 my dr called me a fatty for. If you want quick fix with the added fun of playing "don't shit your pants" in real life. Try ALLI. It's a fat blocker that keeps you from absorbing much. Under that plan, you're limited to something like 6 grams of fat/meal. More than that and that oil's gotta go some where, aka don't wear white after labor day. It works, the girl who sits next to me lost 3 lbs in 4 days. I want her to eat a big mac so i can laugh.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
I've done slimfast as a calorie boost during the day. I'd have sugar crashes and it was a quick fix. For weightloss, not so much. You HAVE to stick to the plan, 2 shakes as meals, no snacks, no crap, and a small/"sensible" dinner. Americans as a people have lost sight of the sensible part. 4 oz of low fat meat product, 6-12 oz of veggie stuff and 4-8 oz of starchy goodness is what we're supposed to get (or something along those lines). Instead, at least for me, it's 8-12 oz of fatlicious meat. 12-16 oz of rice or pasta and 3oz or so of veggies. I also gained 6 lbs in the last 3 months instead of loosing the 10 my dr called me a fatty for. If you want quick fix with the added fun of playing "don't shit your pants" in real life. Try ALLI. It's a fat blocker that keeps you from absorbing much. Under that plan, you're limited to something like 6 grams of fat/meal. More than that and that oil's gotta go some where, aka don't wear white after labor day. It works, the girl who sits next to me lost 3 lbs in 4 days. I want her to eat a big mac so i can laugh.
Yeah, no. Supplements and such are temporary solutions for a larger problem. They are also almost universally terrible for you in some fashion.
Run around your block each evening for 30 minutes, eat less, eat better. Also, visit the wight loss thread, lost of handy stuff in there.
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I've done slimfast as a calorie boost during the day. I'd have sugar crashes and it was a quick fix. For weightloss, not so much. You HAVE to stick to the plan, 2 shakes as meals, no snacks, no crap, and a small/"sensible" dinner. Americans as a people have lost sight of the sensible part. 4 oz of low fat meat product, 6-12 oz of veggie stuff and 4-8 oz of starchy goodness is what we're supposed to get (or something along those lines). Instead, at least for me, it's 8-12 oz of fatlicious meat. 12-16 oz of rice or pasta and 3oz or so of veggies. I also gained 6 lbs in the last 3 months instead of loosing the 10 my dr called me a fatty for. If you want quick fix with the added fun of playing "don't shit your pants" in real life. Try ALLI. It's a fat blocker that keeps you from absorbing much. Under that plan, you're limited to something like 6 grams of fat/meal. More than that and that oil's gotta go some where, aka don't wear white after labor day. It works, the girl who sits next to me lost 3 lbs in 4 days. I want her to eat a big mac so i can laugh.
34g of sugar is more than you get in most bowls of sugar cereal. I am not surprised.
One in the morning and one around lunch and then spaghetti for dinner was my life for last half of 2007 and first half of 2008. Yeah I lost weight with lite exercise mixed in. Went from 212lbs of the 07 summer to 180lbs for the 08 summer.
They taste horrible in anything but strawberry and I still had to chug the fucker quick. I did it for awhile just for the fact that I hate eating and a can of what I needed was great. I mostly stopped doing it cause I couldn't find big cases of strawberry anymore and I met a girl that I was with for awhile...
Yeah, what other people have said. They're essentially a meal replacement. When lazy or know I won't have time to prepare a meal, I'd drink one and get an orange to eat-with. Havent for a while, though.
I don't think they taste like crap. Faintly like drinking a raw egg, though.
You're much better off just eating well. Read the OP of the fitness thread.
Two meal replacement shakes and then a small dinner is a shitty way to lose weight. Like, if all you want to do is lose weight, then yeah, it will work. But if you want to be, you know, healthy at all, then it's a really shitty way to go about it.
The advantage of the shakes is that they're all you eat and then you're done. There's no temptation of adding just a bit more cereal to your bowl, maybe just another glass of orange juice because you're thirsty and it really wouldn't hurt.
They're a way to get meals out of the way if you do not want to deal with calorie counting or portion measuring. That's what they do.
A lot of people say Slimfast and other "health" drinks taste like ass, but honestly, I kind of like ONE of the flavors - that being vanilla. If I'm remembering it correctly. It's kind of malty and has a grain tasty to it. For some reason, I like that.
They're a way to get meals out of the way if you do not want to deal with calorie counting or portion measuring. That's what they do.
Essentially: Weight Loss for those who can't be bothered.
I would argue that those who can't be bothered to lose weight in a healthy way would have a hard time sticking to a slim fast plan regardless. That being said, I'm sure it varies by person and could be an effective tool.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
And like I said it was perfect for me as the guy who hates actually having to prepare food and take the time to sit down and have a meal. Having to eat and having to shit/piss I could do with out one day. Man I hate bodily functions
Once again, my point is that if calories are being strictly controlled, the source doesn’t appear to make a humongous difference in terms of body composition changes. As well, once you get protein intake to proper levels, fooling around with carbohydate and fat ratios (within the context of identical caloric intakes) don’t seem to make a huge amount of difference either. The bottom line still comes down to calories in versus calories out; it’s simply that it may be easier to affect calories in (food intake) or calories out (through activity) with different macronutrient breakdowns.
As well, the source of calories can affect other aspects of physiology beyond body composition. Health, energy levels, hunger/appetite and all the rest interact here. So while a calorie controlled diet of jelly beans, butter and protein powder might very well work to lose weight/fat, it probably wouldn’t be as healthy compared to a diet of low GI carbohydrates, healthier oils and lean protein sources.
If you don't increase your caloric output your metabolism will basically just slow down to match whatever your diet changes to, and then it won't speed back up again. At least that's how it's always worked for me; I'm not a professional in the field or anything. Dieting without exercise is basically bullshit.
I'm pretty sure that actual studies have shown metabolism really doesn't work like that at all. Of course, cutting calories _and_ increasing activity is pretty much the ideal way to go about it anyways.
They're a way to get meals out of the way if you do not want to deal with calorie counting or portion measuring. That's what they do.
Essentially: Weight Loss for those who can't be bothered.
It's a matter of convenience. My pancreas committed suicide when I was six, so reading the nutrional information and measuring everything I eat is a matter of second nature, and it can be a really tedious and annoying detail. I imagine the diet shakes are nice because they're fast and reasonably nutritionally balanced, unlike going with a grapefruit and glass of water, or whatever.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
I've been having a Slim Fast for lunch every day for the last month. I'll also usually have a couple of handfuls of peanuts with it, so I can be thirsty enough to take big drinks of it (don't like the taste at all) and get something a little more substantial. I can't say if I've lost weight yet, but I can tell my body is not happy with me. I really hate making lunch, so I love the convenience of it. It's also quite a bit cheater than what I had been having for lunch. It's hard to beat less than $1 for a meal, especially one that's ready to go with no effort.
I'm pretty sure that actual studies have shown metabolism really doesn't work like that at all. Of course, cutting calories _and_ increasing activity is pretty much the ideal way to go about it anyways.
I'm pretty sure that actual studies have shown metabolism really doesn't work like that at all. Of course, cutting calories _and_ increasing activity is pretty much the ideal way to go about it anyways.
Does this stuff actually even work? Because I've heard lots of conlficting accounts of it. Some saying it works like a treat, others saying it tastes like puke and doesn't have any effect what-so-fucking-ever.
So I turn to you people. The people who've made more sense to me than anyone else in my life. So, if any of you have firsthand experience of this stuff, please enlighten me. Does it do what it says on the bottle?
Slim fasts aren't miraculous or anything; they're just basically vitamin packed milkshakes.
I have used them as PART of a weight loss strategy that worked fairly well (110 pounds over 2 years, starting at 300ish and dropping into the 180s), but I didn't use them as meal replacements because they're crap for that - they may give you body everything it "needs" in a meal, but you're still going to be hungry after drinking one and if you're hungry, you're gonna eat.
What they worked well for was being my "screw it, I NEED something sweet, and I need it NOW" impulses; I drank them instead of grabbing Twinkies or what have you. You're still snacking and breaking your diet plan, but you're going to do that no matter how strong your willpower, and at least you're getting a boatload of vitamins in the process.
Oh, and the vanilla isn't bad. Never drink one unless it's really cold, though, there is a direct relationship between warmth and tasting godawful nasty.
Slim Fast "works" because it is a high-protein, low-calorie food. The "high protein" ones even more so. In many ways it's not different from making a normal low-calorie meal and then consuming a protein supplement, because the additional protein should keep you full for a longer period of time.
The downside is that it's fucking boring.
It's far more exciting to eat egg whites with hot sauce! Get a thing of Egg Beaters (or a generic egg-white product, or if your local eggs are cheap separate them yourself) and it's simple math to see that you can eat, like, a CUP of egg whites and a whole fruit (apple, peach, kiwi) and it'll be a lot tastier and more filling than a slim fast.
Similarly, if you have a can of tuna fish mixed up with a little oil and spices (sundried tomatoes, lemon pepper -- in fact, Bumblebee makes these pre-made with crackers, you can just steal the recipes from the Ingredients list) and put that on a Serving of ritz crackers, and it's damn delicious and will keep you full (because fish is full of protein yet low in calorie).
Slim Fast can certainly work, but you should still count calories. If you have two slim fasts and then a giant Chipotle burrito with sour cream and everything? Yeah, you're not going to lose much weight.
I've been having a Slim Fast for lunch every day for the last month. I'll also usually have a couple of handfuls of peanuts with it, so I can be thirsty enough to take big drinks of it (don't like the taste at all) and get something a little more substantial. I can't say if I've lost weight yet, but I can tell my body is not happy with me. I really hate making lunch, so I love the convenience of it. It's also quite a bit cheater than what I had been having for lunch. It's hard to beat less than $1 for a meal, especially one that's ready to go with no effort.
You would probably do better having a piece of fruit and a slice of wheat bread than a shload of protein and salt for lunch.
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[Never drink one unless it's really cold, though, there is a direct relationship between warmth and tasting godawful nasty.
That's true for a lot of things. Cold dulls your taste buds... which is why beers like Budweiser and Coors recommend you drink them "ice cold"... it's so you don't actually taste them.
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JohnnyCacheStarting DefensePlace at the tableRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
Jesus.
OK, slim fast is just a protein drink. It has no special metabolic effects. It's about like shit-canning a can of tuna or 4 eggs. or any of a dozen other possible ways to eat 200 calories of protein that taste a lot better.
Personally, I say have some actual protein and a piece of fruit or something
Also, name brand slim fast tastes like ball-cheese, you can get some other flavors like "ensure" (the wal mart brand) that aren't as assy. I have an ensure and a granola bar between work and the gym a lot.
Don't be in "the business of losing fat, not gaining muscle" - feed your body the correct amount for the build you want, and mix full body resistance training with equal parts cardio.
Consistent and sustainable body change comes from moderate lifestyle adjustment over time. Disciplined moderate eating is better than a gimmick program you don't actually stay on.
I've been having a Slim Fast for lunch every day for the last month. I'll also usually have a couple of handfuls of peanuts with it, so I can be thirsty enough to take big drinks of it (don't like the taste at all) and get something a little more substantial. I can't say if I've lost weight yet, but I can tell my body is not happy with me. I really hate making lunch, so I love the convenience of it. It's also quite a bit cheater than what I had been having for lunch. It's hard to beat less than $1 for a meal, especially one that's ready to go with no effort.
You would probably do better having a piece of fruit and a slice of wheat bread than a shload of protein and salt for lunch.
Mmm, that sounds filling.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
I've been having a Slim Fast for lunch every day for the last month. I'll also usually have a couple of handfuls of peanuts with it, so I can be thirsty enough to take big drinks of it (don't like the taste at all) and get something a little more substantial. I can't say if I've lost weight yet, but I can tell my body is not happy with me. I really hate making lunch, so I love the convenience of it. It's also quite a bit cheater than what I had been having for lunch. It's hard to beat less than $1 for a meal, especially one that's ready to go with no effort.
You would probably do better having a piece of fruit and a slice of wheat bread than a shload of protein and salt for lunch.
Mmm, that sounds filling.
Well, yeah, maybe not as filling as a fistfull of protein... but healthier for you.
I used to drink them when I was into lifting weights as a quick drop of protein with the rest of my meal. They really don't taste bad at all. They taste far, far, far, far, far, far, far better than a real protein shake.
As for working it's more about easy discipline in a can. If you're left to your own devices making a meal you're more likely to cheat, whereas if you just grab a can and drink it and that's it then you're good. They're convenient and portioned so they probably work, but they're not a miracle drink or anything, just easy.
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its basically everything you need for a lunch as far as nutrition goes without all the fluff
It works the same as reducing your caloric intake, which is exactly what it does, only with the added benefit of tasting like crap.
Frankly, if you don't have the willpower to reduce your caloric intake on your own, chances are you won't be able to stick to slim fast for very long anyway.
I hear it works if you have it for breakfast and lunch then have a proper but "sensible" dinner. I'm assuming it works other ways? Like you have a normal breakfast, then have the stuff for lunch and dinner. Am I correct?
You can accomplish the same thing with more variety my simply measuring out your calories effectively.
just eat healthier
don't eat candy and cakes and junk
there is no long lasting quickfix for weight loss other than meth
exercise more, eat healthier, you'll lose weight
It doesn't "DO" anything. All it does is confine you to the contents of the can as a meal, which, in theory, will force you to intake less calories.
There's nothing magic about it.
Yeah, no. Supplements and such are temporary solutions for a larger problem. They are also almost universally terrible for you in some fashion.
Run around your block each evening for 30 minutes, eat less, eat better. Also, visit the wight loss thread, lost of handy stuff in there.
34g of sugar is more than you get in most bowls of sugar cereal. I am not surprised.
They taste horrible in anything but strawberry and I still had to chug the fucker quick. I did it for awhile just for the fact that I hate eating and a can of what I needed was great. I mostly stopped doing it cause I couldn't find big cases of strawberry anymore and I met a girl that I was with for awhile...
I may start up again.
I don't think they taste like crap. Faintly like drinking a raw egg, though.
Two meal replacement shakes and then a small dinner is a shitty way to lose weight. Like, if all you want to do is lose weight, then yeah, it will work. But if you want to be, you know, healthy at all, then it's a really shitty way to go about it.
They're a way to get meals out of the way if you do not want to deal with calorie counting or portion measuring. That's what they do.
Essentially: Weight Loss for those who can't be bothered.
I would argue that those who can't be bothered to lose weight in a healthy way would have a hard time sticking to a slim fast plan regardless. That being said, I'm sure it varies by person and could be an effective tool.
A calorie is a calorie and if you eat less of them (170 for a shake versus 1200 for a big mac value meal) you will lose fat. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/is-a-calorie-a-calorie.html
And you would be correct on both counts.
If anyone is interested in the details of metabolism, a good overview is here.
That paper talks about meal frequency and not caloric intake. I'm just saying.
I have used them as PART of a weight loss strategy that worked fairly well (110 pounds over 2 years, starting at 300ish and dropping into the 180s), but I didn't use them as meal replacements because they're crap for that - they may give you body everything it "needs" in a meal, but you're still going to be hungry after drinking one and if you're hungry, you're gonna eat.
What they worked well for was being my "screw it, I NEED something sweet, and I need it NOW" impulses; I drank them instead of grabbing Twinkies or what have you. You're still snacking and breaking your diet plan, but you're going to do that no matter how strong your willpower, and at least you're getting a boatload of vitamins in the process.
Oh, and the vanilla isn't bad. Never drink one unless it's really cold, though, there is a direct relationship between warmth and tasting godawful nasty.
Good luck.
The downside is that it's fucking boring.
It's far more exciting to eat egg whites with hot sauce! Get a thing of Egg Beaters (or a generic egg-white product, or if your local eggs are cheap separate them yourself) and it's simple math to see that you can eat, like, a CUP of egg whites and a whole fruit (apple, peach, kiwi) and it'll be a lot tastier and more filling than a slim fast.
Similarly, if you have a can of tuna fish mixed up with a little oil and spices (sundried tomatoes, lemon pepper -- in fact, Bumblebee makes these pre-made with crackers, you can just steal the recipes from the Ingredients list) and put that on a Serving of ritz crackers, and it's damn delicious and will keep you full (because fish is full of protein yet low in calorie).
Slim Fast can certainly work, but you should still count calories. If you have two slim fasts and then a giant Chipotle burrito with sour cream and everything? Yeah, you're not going to lose much weight.
You would probably do better having a piece of fruit and a slice of wheat bread than a shload of protein and salt for lunch.
That's true for a lot of things. Cold dulls your taste buds... which is why beers like Budweiser and Coors recommend you drink them "ice cold"... it's so you don't actually taste them.
OK, slim fast is just a protein drink. It has no special metabolic effects. It's about like shit-canning a can of tuna or 4 eggs. or any of a dozen other possible ways to eat 200 calories of protein that taste a lot better.
Personally, I say have some actual protein and a piece of fruit or something
Also, name brand slim fast tastes like ball-cheese, you can get some other flavors like "ensure" (the wal mart brand) that aren't as assy. I have an ensure and a granola bar between work and the gym a lot.
Don't be in "the business of losing fat, not gaining muscle" - feed your body the correct amount for the build you want, and mix full body resistance training with equal parts cardio.
Consistent and sustainable body change comes from moderate lifestyle adjustment over time. Disciplined moderate eating is better than a gimmick program you don't actually stay on.
200 calories of various foods
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-200-calories-look-like.htm
some 3 and 4 hundred calories meals that are filling and appetizing:
http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/2007/04/26/what_do_300_calorie_meals_look_like.php
more 200 calorie doses of actual damn food
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1491978/simple_200300_calorie_meals_and_snacks_pg2.html?cat=51
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Mmm, that sounds filling.
Well, yeah, maybe not as filling as a fistfull of protein... but healthier for you.
As for working it's more about easy discipline in a can. If you're left to your own devices making a meal you're more likely to cheat, whereas if you just grab a can and drink it and that's it then you're good. They're convenient and portioned so they probably work, but they're not a miracle drink or anything, just easy.