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OBAMA APPROVAL RATING WITH GRADE SCHOOL STUDENTS PLUMMETS

Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered User regular
edited October 2009 in Social Entropy++
So, Barack Obama has proposed to lengthen the school day in America by three hours, and virtually eliminating summer and winter breaks. Many parents, nearly 55% of those polled, are STAUNCHLY against this, claiming their children are already over-worked and have little time to socialize with their friends, while those who support the change say that the longer school day would produce longer time with teachers, which would make learning easier, and longer time in class to get work done which would mean less home-work.

Personally, I support quality over quantity as far as education goes. More time in class won't help if the kids still don't want to learn, and longer school days/less time off would mean a higher drop-out rate. What we need to do is put a higher emphasis on vocational schools, once the kids have graduated, and leave universities and colleges for arts degrees and shit, which is what they were for pre-1980's, so I'm told.

WHAT SAY YOU, SE++?

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  • George Fornby GrillGeorge Fornby Grill ...Like Clockwork Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Right now: Fuck no.
    Ask me in 2 years: Yeah I don't care either way.

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  • Canada_jezusCanada_jezus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Fuck a longer school day.

    I'd prefer the german system, school on saturday but less hours each day.


    High school is brutal enough on enough kids. That being said, i'm all for improving schools. Just you know, don't just shovel more hours onto them.


    edit: to be clear i've been out of high school for 5 years or something.

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  • WimbleWimble Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    huh, how long are your school days anyway

    would lengthening it by three hours make it longer than a work day?

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'd be OK with this if school started later
    somewhere around 8:00 or 9:00 AM

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  • doublehawk00doublehawk00 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Wimble wrote: »
    huh, how long are your school days anyway

    would lengthening it by three hours make it longer than a work day?

    yes, yes it would

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  • NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    shut the fuck up is what I say.

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  • Canada_jezusCanada_jezus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Wimble wrote: »
    huh, how long are your school days anyway

    would lengthening it by three hours make it longer than a work day?

    yes, yes it would

    Well then fuck longer school days right up the ass.

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  • LockoutLockout I am still searching Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    an eight to six school day would suuuck

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited October 2009
    more like nobama

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  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    well I am all for miserable children so I support this

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited October 2009
    Wimble wrote: »
    huh, how long are your school days anyway

    would lengthening it by three hours make it longer than a work day?

    around here schools go from 8 to 3

    making them last an extra three hours would push it to ten hours, yeah

    basically ensuring that whatever classes that take up the last three hours should basically be written off and also a lot of school activities would probably have to shut down

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  • nateknatek unh unh Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I don't see teachers or students wanting this

    3 extra hours would make it close to or over 10 hours spent in school, this is a horrible idea

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  • Canada_jezusCanada_jezus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    This is one of these ideas that if implemented, will just backfire horribly.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited October 2009
    also fuck getting rid of summer vacation, I just went to a college for basically two years non-stop only having breaks at christmas and it fucking sucked

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  • ZegunaZeguna Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Well now I'm angry

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  • Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Obama just wants to find time for his socialism, communism and fascism classes

    Not to mention Goose Stepping lessons and holy qur'an readings.

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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    That would suck. We should just do away with the no child left behind bullshit and keep working on improving the quality of schools. Maybe change things within them as opposed to making a fuckin 10 hour day.

    edit: also summer vacation is such a huge part of a lot of kid's lives. A chance to relax and be kids, damnit. Although I guess it sucks for the kids with abusive parents or the ones too poor to eat at home.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I can sorta see the arguments for ending summer breaks. But there is absolutely no way school kids can stay awake through another 3 hours of class a day. That'd add up to 40-45 hours a week, the average college kid isn't even doing more than 14ish most semesters.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited October 2009
    basically if you're going to do this plan you have to virtually eliminate homework if you want these kids to have any lives at all

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  • MetroidZoidMetroidZoid Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    How does the plan factor in added costs for keeping a school open that long? I know all three high schools in our small town district have cut school days, switched from quarters to trimesters to keep things going smoothly, and cut teachers too. I'm not necessarily against longer school days, but taking away summer and winter break sounds crazy. Now if there were more options available for summer education, say like an option to take AP classes or such, that'd be great, but it'd still be optional. Just like in our *community* college ... sure you could take another round of classes for a couple months, but no one expects it.

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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Also is there proof or what. Link?

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  • nateknatek unh unh Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    what would be achieved in the extra three hours?

    more arts and crafts? crossword puzzles and word finds that relate to the topics? no way it could be filled with actual learning that would hold on to a student's attention after already being in class for 7 hours

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  • Canada_jezusCanada_jezus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I don't know how long your summer break is. Two months? Cut off two weeks for like, evaluation and speedy catchup and makeup tests. But honestly worst school related idea I've ever heard.


    Actually, know what'd work better than 3 extra hours a day? Smaller class sizes, makes a world of difference. I've been in everything from 2 up to 32.

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  • DefenestratorDefenestrator Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I went to a year-round school for fifth grade. It was actually pretty sweet because instead of the three months off in the summer you got a two week break every couple of months. The three extra hours is retarded and I can't imagine any teachers being down for that, let alone fucking students.

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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    well I am all for miserable children so I support this

    my stance

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  • NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I just read an article with "experts" who say it will stress out students too much.

    I thought America was supposed to be the best and the brightest, but we can't handle as much school as South Korea?

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    NotACrook wrote: »
    I just read an article with "experts" who say it will stress out students too much.

    I thought America was supposed to be the best and the brightest, but we can't handle as much school as South Korea?

    yes, I was thinking the same thing

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited October 2009
  • NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    How does the plan factor in added costs for keeping a school open that long? I know all three high schools in our small town district have cut school days, switched from quarters to trimesters to keep things going smoothly, and cut teachers too. I'm not necessarily against longer school days, but taking away summer and winter break sounds crazy. Now if there were more options available for summer education, say like an option to take AP classes or such, that'd be great, but it'd still be optional. Just like in our *community* college ... sure you could take another round of classes for a couple months, but no one expects it.

    Well, President Bush increased the size of the Department of Education to three times its previous size, maybe some of that money could be reappropriated.

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  • Canada_jezusCanada_jezus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    However said America was the best and brightest was dumb. No offense to America though. Just too big to not get dragged down in stats.

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  • NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I went to a year-round school for fifth grade. It was actually pretty sweet because instead of the three months off in the summer you got a two week break every couple of months. The three extra hours is retarded and I can't imagine any teachers being down for that, let alone fucking students.

    Yeah, a good number of teachers are for it. If nothing else, they stand to see an increase in pay.

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  • WimbleWimble Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Is the point that you are supposed to be taught more things or that you should have more time to learn the things currently being taught?

    I dunno, this doesn't sound like it will solve any relevant problems.

    I can see not having such long breaks, though. It's probably hard for many kids to get into the studying mentality after being away for several months and I bet many people think it's shitty to start working after being a student because of being used to those breaks.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    NotACrook wrote: »
    I just read an article with "experts" who say it will stress out students too much.

    I thought America was supposed to be the best and the brightest, but we can't handle as much school as South Korea?

    Have you seen the kinds of MMOs Koreans die playing? Sitting in a chair for 15 hours doing mind-numbing tasks is what they're built for.

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  • NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    And instead of having to pile work on the kids to do at home with the hope that they do it and absorb the information, you can use the extra time for guided learning in the classroom, where you are there to help them.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited October 2009
    It's all well and good that South Korea or whoever has school days that are this long, but I'm not convinced that any of the problems with american education are going to be solved by going to school more.

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  • Canada_jezusCanada_jezus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    How long is the summer break? Two months can stand to lose a week or two, three.

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  • Canada_jezusCanada_jezus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    It's all well and good that South Korea or whoever has school days that are this long, but I'm not convinced that any of the problems with american education are going to be solved by going to school more.

    Think of the money this will save on babysitters!

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited October 2009
    Teachers better be getting a serious pay increase if this happens.

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