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The Monocled Cock: D&D's List of Greatest Historical Figures

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    _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Judgement wrote: »
    I agree with Bum, we should have different categories.

    There will be an "Artists" and a "Philosophers" list.

    A "George Carlin" and a "Martin Luther King Jr." list.

    George Carlin is a philosopher.

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    JudgementJudgement Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I <nominate>GOD</nominate> as one of the most powerful religious, political, philosophical figures of all time.

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    JudgementJudgement Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    _J_ wrote: »
    Judgement wrote: »
    I agree with Bum, we should have different categories.

    There will be an "Artists" and a "Philosophers" list.

    A "George Carlin" and a "Martin Luther King Jr." list.

    George Carlin is a philosopher.

    Fine, but Martin keeps his own category.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Elldren wrote: »
    Phase I: the conquerors, liberators, and uniters
    <nomination>William The Bastard</nomination>
    <nomination>Emperor Pedro I</nomination>
    <nomination>Simón Bolívar</nomination>
    <nomination>Oda Nobunaga</nomination>
    <nomination>Otto von Bismarck</nomination>
    <nomination>Vittorio Emanuele II</nomination>
    <nomination>Mao Zedong</nomination>
    <nomination>Genghis Khan</nomination>
    <nomination>Julius Caesar</nomination>

    fakedit: there are way too many I give up

    Yeah, I'm trying to avoid military figures other than Caesar.

    I was going pretty much exclusively for them.

    As far as the other requirements (besides importance) I'm not judging before I nominate.

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    BerenBeren Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Judgement wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Judgement wrote: »
    I agree with Bum, we should have different categories.

    There will be an "Artists" and a "Philosophers" list.

    A "George Carlin" and a "Martin Luther King Jr." list.

    George Carlin is a philosopher.

    Fine, but Martin keeps his own category.

    We'll call it overrated people who got shot.

    Robert Kennedy can be #2

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Judgement wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Judgement wrote: »
    I agree with Bum, we should have different categories.

    There will be an "Artists" and a "Philosophers" list.

    A "George Carlin" and a "Martin Luther King Jr." list.

    George Carlin is a philosopher.

    Fine, but Martin keeps his own category.

    That Gahndi would beat him out in.

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Judgement wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Judgement wrote: »
    I agree with Bum, we should have different categories.

    There will be an "Artists" and a "Philosophers" list.

    A "George Carlin" and a "Martin Luther King Jr." list.

    George Carlin is a philosopher.

    Fine, but Martin keeps his own category.

    He gets to share the Famous Black Folks category with Obama and Mandela.

    <nomination>Nelson Mandela</nomination> btw

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Actually you know who was so much cooler than MLK was <nomination>Malcolm X</nomination>

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Should we just get all the major religious figures out of the way?

    The way I see it, the criteria should mostly eliminate religious and most military figures
    those historical figures who most exemplify the human spirit, who have pushed the boundaries of what we were capable of, who have altered the course of human history for the better, who are not Canadian.
    Now Jesus was a pretty cool dude, but the effect Christianity had on the world is highly debatable and that debate is not what we want in this thread. The bolded above at the very least is questionable. As such, despite the great influence of the man/god his influence has been mitigated by those who believe he has not changed the course of human history for the better and he gets bumped.

    If this instead was a list of most influential he along with Gengis Khan, Buddha and Hitler would definitely have to make the list. But in order to be great, one must be good and if your "good" is questionable, then so too must your greatness. If your greatness is questionable then you don't make the list of the greatest. That's why I tried to pick unassailable figures, or at least whose influence has been unassailably good.

    /my interpretation

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    Judgement wrote: »
    I <nominate>GOD</nominate> as one of the most powerful religious, political, philosophical figures of all time.

    Historical not Fictional (just saving Qingu the time)

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    GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Categories... I'd just acquire the names first and sort out as many categories as you need later.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Beren wrote: »
    Judgement wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Judgement wrote: »
    I agree with Bum, we should have different categories.

    There will be an "Artists" and a "Philosophers" list.

    A "George Carlin" and a "Martin Luther King Jr." list.

    George Carlin is a philosopher.

    Fine, but Martin keeps his own category.

    We'll call it overrated people who got shot.

    Robert Kennedy can be #2

    John Lennon

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    JudgementJudgement Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Judgement wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Judgement wrote: »
    I agree with Bum, we should have different categories.

    There will be an "Artists" and a "Philosophers" list.

    A "George Carlin" and a "Martin Luther King Jr." list.

    George Carlin is a philosopher.

    Fine, but Martin keeps his own category.

    That Gahndi would beat him out in.

    Anyone nominate Gandhi yet? If not...

    <nominate>Mahatma Gandhi</nominate>

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    SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    <nomination>Lorenzo de Medici</nomination>

    The man bankrolled many of the era's greatest artists and thinkers leading to an explosion of art and culture after the middle ages, held together the Italian peninsula's array of nations and city-states, and oversaw Florence during the very height of the renaissance. For his troubles, he saw his brother killed in an assassination attempt on the both of them, his wife die of illness, and was very possibly damned on his deathbed by a religious fanatic.

    Empires: The Medici is an excellent documentary that sheds much more light on his accomplishments than the wiki page.

    Edit: and damn, this needs categories. Political Leaders, perhaps?

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    GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    Should we just get all the major religious figures out of the way?

    The way I see it, the criteria should mostly eliminate religious and most military figures
    those historical figures who most exemplify the human spirit, who have pushed the boundaries of what we were capable of, who have altered the course of human history for the better, who are not Canadian.
    Now Jesus was a pretty cool dude, but the effect Christianity had on the world is highly debatable and that debate is not what we want in this thread. The bolded above at the very least is questionable. As such, despite the great influence of the man/god his influence has been mitigated by those who believe he has not changed the course of human history for the better and he gets bumped.

    If this instead was a list of most influential he along with Gengis Khan, Buddha and Hitler would definitely have to make the list. But in order to be great, one must be good and if your "good" is questionable, then so too must your greatness. If your greatness is questionable then you don't make the list of the greatest. That's why I tried to pick unassailable figures, or at least whose influence has been unassailably good.

    /my interpretation

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    Judgement wrote: »
    I <nominate>GOD</nominate> as one of the most powerful religious, political, philosophical figures of all time.

    Historical not Fictional (just saving Qingu the time)

    Okay, then.

    <nomination>Nicholas of Myra.</nomination> 4th century bishop out of Turkey.
    You know him better as the goddamned Santa Claus.

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Elldren wrote: »
    Beren wrote: »
    Judgement wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Judgement wrote: »
    I agree with Bum, we should have different categories.

    There will be an "Artists" and a "Philosophers" list.

    A "George Carlin" and a "Martin Luther King Jr." list.

    George Carlin is a philosopher.

    Fine, but Martin keeps his own category.

    We'll call it overrated people who got shot.

    Robert Kennedy can be #2

    John Lennon

    this quote tree better not be serious cause really y'all
    really

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    God at least spell it right it's Gandhi

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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Oh great, I think i got first dibs on two of the most awesome people ever.

    <nomination>Woody Guthrie</nomination>
    <nomination>Hanibal</nomination>

    Radicaly different, i know

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Oh great, I think i got first dibs on two of the most awesome people ever.

    <nomination>Woodie Guntherie</nomination>
    <nomination>Hanibal</nomination>

    Radicaly different, i know

    My cousin dated the very, very strange grandson of Woodie Guthrie for a while. Product of an Arlo one night stand.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Gosling wrote: »
    Okay, then.

    <nomination>Nicholas of Myra.</nomination> 4th century bishop out of Turkey.
    You know him better as the goddamned Santa Claus.

    Sweatshops!


    <nomination>Simon Bolivar</nomination>
    <nomination>Francis Bacon</nomination>
    <nomination>Benjamin Franklin</nomination>

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    And it's Woody Guthrie

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    JudgementJudgement Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    Judgement wrote: »
    I <nominate>GOD</nominate> as one of the most powerful religious, political, philosophical figures of all time.

    Historical not Fictional (just saving Qingu the time)

    I was just saying that because the idea of "God" has been the motivating factor behind many early discoveries in human history.
    Now that I say it that way, I should have looked for the people he inspired...

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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I too <nomination>Theodore Roosevelt</nomination>


    Why, you ask?
    While Roosevelt was campaigning in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on October 14, 1912, a saloonkeeper named John Schrank shot him, but the bullet lodged in his chest only after penetrating both his steel eyeglass case and passing through a thick (50 pages) single-folded copy of the speech he was carrying in his jacket.[64] Roosevelt, as an experienced hunter and anatomist, correctly concluded that since he wasn't coughing blood, the bullet had not completely penetrated the chest wall to his lung, and so declined suggestions he go to the hospital immediately. Instead, he delivered his scheduled speech with blood seeping into his shirt.[65] He spoke for ninety minutes. His opening comments to the gathered crowd were, "Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot; but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose."

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I think there's like 4 different lists being compiled here from most awesome to most influential to obscurely rad to most unadulterated greatness

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    I think there's like 4 different lists being compiled here from most awesome to most influential to obscurely rad to most unadulterated greatness

    Thus the need for categories. And a playoff for overall awesome.
    And a fantasy draft.

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    just to get this outta the way

    <nomination>hitler</nomination>

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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Oh great, I think i got first dibs on two of the most awesome people ever.

    <nomination>Woodie Guntherie</nomination>
    <nomination>Hanibal</nomination>

    Radicaly different, i know

    My cousin dated the very, very strange grandson of Woodie Guthrie for a while. Product of an Arlo one night stand.

    Shut the fuck up.

    And I apollogize if i blotched the name. The piano has been drinking.

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    LoserForHireXLoserForHireX Philosopher King The AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    <nomination> Parmenides </nomination>

    Now, this guy was kinda crazy. He denied that motion was possible, and thus the world of motion was an illusion.

    Now, this is important for one reason, one thing that changed the way in which the world thought. He was the first person to attempt to construct a logical world view on a purely rational level. He came up with the notion that the world might not be what it seems, and that rational thought can lead us to the truth. Now, with the advent of our scientific world view it seems silly, but it pretty much set the stage for people like Plato, which sets the stage for Aristotle, then science. So there.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    I too <nomination>Theodore Roosevelt</nomination>


    Why, you ask?
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    JudgementJudgement Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    just to get this outta the way

    <nomination>hitler</nomination>

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpRqvCps_MQ

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    GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    just to get this outta the way

    <nomination>hitler</nomination>

    He inspired so many video game developers stuck for a final boss.

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    Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2009
    <nomination>Alan Matheson Turing</nomination
    <nomination>Alonzo Church</nomination

    Who are these bozos? Well, this magical machine you're using to discuss the greatest historical figures with people thousands of miles away that we typically call a computer is thanks to these two guys. The invention of the computer is our printing press, a technology that is fundamentally altering every aspect of human civilisation. To not include these two individuals would be folly.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    I too <nomination>Theodore Roosevelt</nomination>


    Why, you ask?
    try10.jpg

    To have that photo taken of you and to still end up universally viewed as a tremendous badass?

    He was a tremendous badass.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    <nomination>Alan Matheson Turing</nomination
    <nomination>Alonzo Church</nomination

    Who are these bozos? Well, this magical machine you're using to discuss the greatest historical figures with people thousands of miles away that we typically call a computer is thanks to these two guys. The invention of the computer is our printing press, a technology that is fundamentally altering every aspect of human civilisation. To not include these two individuals would be folly.

    I almost nominated Turing, but figured a more comp sci-y person would so I didn't have to.

    Also in Turing's favor: broke a ton of German codes in WW2.

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    SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Oh, almost forgot.

    <nomination>Cleisthenes</nomination>

    And his accomplishment? Motherfucking democracy.

    Well, the first notable democracy that fits modern definitions of such. By most standards. It should also be noted that his rule also saw the seeds of Athens' empire be sown in the rapid expansion and rise if wealth that followed.

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    cyphrcyphr Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    <nomination>Alan Matheson Turing</nomination
    <nomination>Alonzo Church</nomination

    Who are these bozos? Well, this magical machine you're using to discuss the greatest historical figures with people thousands of miles away that we typically call a computer is thanks to these two guys. The invention of the computer is our printing press, a technology that is fundamentally altering every aspect of human civilisation. To not include these two individuals would be folly.
    These are excellent choices as well, although I think the importance of their contributions to mankind may not be realized for another, oh, hundred years.

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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I will also second <nomination>Alan Matheson Turing</nomination

    edit: Turing's impact was more immediate than Church's insofar as the western world does not currently sprechen sie deutsch

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    [nomination]Sarah Hale[/nomination] seems like a good nominee.

    I would also put [nomination]Samuel ibn Naghrela[/nomination] and [nomination]Hasdai ibn Shaprut[/nomination], as well as the latter's patron, [nomination]Abd-ar-Rahman III[/nomination].

    I would also say [nomination]Levi Eshkol[/nomination] and [nomination]John Quincy Adams[/nomination].

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    Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2009
    Suriko wrote: »
    Oh, almost forgot.

    <nomination>Cleisthenes</nomination>

    And his accomplishment? Motherfucking democracy.

    Well, the first notable democracy that fits modern definitions of such. By most standards. it should also be noted that his rule also saw the seeds of Athens' empire be sown in the rapid expasion and rise if wealth that followed.

    Modern democracy... if you exclude the women, slaves, the poor, the non-Athenians. So, basically all the rich white dudes. Not that I disagree with you. His name should definitely be on the list. ;)

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    SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Suriko wrote: »
    Oh, almost forgot.

    <nomination>Cleisthenes</nomination>

    And his accomplishment? Motherfucking democracy.

    Well, the first notable democracy that fits modern definitions of such. By most standards. It should also be noted that his rule also saw the seeds of Athens' empire be sown in the rapid expansion and rise of wealth that followed.

    Modern democracy... if you exclude the women, slaves, the poor, the non-Athenians. So, basically all the rich white dudes. Not that I disagree with you. His name should definitely be on the list. ;)

    More in the system than the people allowed to vote. By the day's standards, he'd have been a raging liberal.

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    Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2009
    <nomination>Aristarchus of Samos</nomination
    Archimedes wrote:
    You are aware the 'universe' is the name given by most astronomers to the sphere the center of which is the center of the Earth, while its radius is equal to the straight line between the center of the Sun and the center of the Earth. This is the common account as you have heard from astronomers. But Aristarchus has brought out a book consisting of certain hypotheses, wherein it appears, as a consequence of the assumptions made, that the universe is many times greater than the 'universe' just mentioned. His hypotheses are that the fixed stars and the Sun remain unmoved, that the Earth revolves about the Sun on the circumference of a circle, the Sun lying in the middle of the orbit, and that the sphere of the fixed stars, situated about the same center as the Sun, is so great that the circle in which he supposes the Earth to revolve bears such a proportion to the distance of the fixed stars as the center of the sphere bears to its surface.

    Aristarchus of Samos lived from 310 BC to 230 BC and during that time, he posited the first known theory of the heliocentric solar system. His theory would be retold by Archimedes, who was read by Ptolemy and compiled into a book on the various ideas about the nature of the universe. This work would much later be read by Copernicus. That's right, Copernicus cribbed his ideas from an ancient Greek dude. Awesome!

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