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A Feast For Crows [nsfw]

GreatnationGreatnation Registered User regular
edited October 2009 in Artist's Corner
Moved into my new studio space last weekend, all of this is still wet, in oil. Sorry for poor pic quality. Trying to make a large amount of work in a little space of time, its pretty tough.



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  • Radar6590Radar6590 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Looking pretty good for wip.

    How are you painting on that wood with no gesso or drywall paint stopping the oil from seeping into it, though?

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  • DeeLockDeeLock Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Yay, Greatnation is back!

    Beautiful work, loving the white girl in the dress.

    Last one's face seems to be lacking a little structure though.

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  • rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    That bucket does not look like a comfortable place to sit.

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  • yogurtyogurt Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    wonderful! on that second pic i'd love to put some red skin tones just in the face (I swear, if I ever become an art teacher I'd be the kind that draw/paint on students work while explaining what to do, as much as I hated them in school.) Cool stuff, really inspires me to get some wood (rimshot) and let the tablet rest for a while

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  • deadlydoritodeadlydorito __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    cakemikz wrote: »
    That bucket does not look like a comfortable place to sit.

    Dont people paint standing up? Well at least thats what my art teacher does, to incorporate whole body movement into his work but he is really strange sometimes. How do you guys paint standing or sitting?

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  • iglidanteiglidante Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Can you post detail of the last one? I think I like it, but I want to see more.

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  • rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    cakemikz wrote: »
    That bucket does not look like a comfortable place to sit.

    Dont people paint standing up? Well at least thats what my art teacher does, to incorporate whole body movement into his work but he is really strange sometimes. How do you guys paint standing or sitting?

    I don't know of a single professional studio painter who paints standing up. I am sure there is one out there...but yeah its pretty impractical.

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  • srsizzysrsizzy Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    cakemikz wrote: »
    cakemikz wrote: »
    That bucket does not look like a comfortable place to sit.

    Dont people paint standing up? Well at least thats what my art teacher does, to incorporate whole body movement into his work but he is really strange sometimes. How do you guys paint standing or sitting?

    I don't know of a single professional studio painter who paints standing up. I am sure there is one out there...but yeah its pretty impractical.

    I think there are times when you need to stand up, because there are times when it's important to employ a full arm movement. I haven't painted, but I was doing charcoal today and I found that to be the case, and I could see it being the case in certain aspects of painting. If it's a large canvas.

    and GN, your painting style is awesome.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    It's really relevant to the scale at which you choose to paint.

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  • rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Well let me rephrase, all of the good studio painters I know paint sitting down. But most don't work all that large because they don't need to cover up the quality of their work by overwhelming the audience with it's size.

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  • srsizzysrsizzy Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    cakemikz wrote: »
    Well let me rephrase, all of the good studio painters I know paint sitting down. But most don't work all that large because they don't need to cover up the quality of their work by overwhelming the audience with it's size.
    wow, that seems like a bit of a generalized judgment of why someone would paint at a larger size. that's like saying "people who draw digitally above a small resolution are weaker artists." except that would be stupider to say, because people who work at high resolution do it for the sake of preserving and creating detail.

    but I guess I don't know what a "studio artist" is.

    [edit] Granted, I bet in most situations you don't need a 10' by 10' canvas, but there are possible situations where you'd have a reason to use one other than overwhelming the audience with its size.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'll be the first to say that viewing an 18", a 6', and a 70' piece of art results in a drastically different aesthetic experience, but this isn't the thread to discuss it.

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  • GreatnationGreatnation Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Radar- I coat the wood with plain matte medium, so the paint stays on top

    Dee- Thanks man :), The last one there saw some drastic changes today, pics coming.

    iglidante- ^

    Yogurt- I took your advice, pics coming

    dorito- I paint both standing and sitting down, it depends really what task is at hand.

    srsizzy- thanks :)

    cake- Yeah the bucket sucks, it's since been replaced.




    Now which one of yall can guess who we are looking at in this postage stamp size photo?

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  • SublimusSublimus Artist. nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Sargent? The model is more telling than the back of the guy.


    And basically, all of the great master painters stood. So I don't know what cake is talking about. I had to stand for every observational drawing/painting class I took.

    [edit] Also, I'm jealous of your studio space. But I don't need much a studio for my work, really.

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  • Guy BellGuy Bell Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    How can you possibly work in a studio that neat? Here's mine. I take a year off my life every time I walk in.

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  • rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    That is horrific. I need to take a picture of mine now. It is glorious.

    Also to everyone talking about standing, this is the 21st fucking century. Sargent also often painted basically wearing a suit.

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  • Guy BellGuy Bell Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    See, now I regret picking up first.

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  • TamTam Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Where are you going with the second painting- or is it done.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    this just in: chairs and stools not invented until mid 1900s.

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  • Guy BellGuy Bell Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I lay on my belly wearing a suit when I draw

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  • srsizzysrsizzy Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    cake is such a wannabe paraplegic

    I also agree with iglidante; bigger detail picture would make the third one clearer.

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  • deadlydoritodeadlydorito __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    maybe my art teacher is just really weird. he makes us do relaxation stuff and loosening musceles thorugh some weird taichi stuff for body movement or something. strange man lols

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  • iglidanteiglidante Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Large paintings can be incredibly powerful. Have you ever seen any of Dali's large works? They have several (maybe five or six) of them at the museum in St. Petersburg, and the experience of standing ten feet away from a painting that's 13 feet tall is something you can't really describe. You can't even see a fraction of the detail in this painting until you're actually there, for example.

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  • GreatnationGreatnation Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
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    updates. the second photo is stupidly skewed. My spot has the least ideal light conditions for shooting work, fixing that is a pending project.



    Tam- the second one will probably get a similar treatment that the girl did.

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  • lyriumlyrium Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I really really like your paintings, but the arm(s?) in that first one in your last post are a little confusing. Are those supposed to be her two arms? because neither look like they would come from her right side, so it sort of looks like she has two left arms.

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  • CharisCharis Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
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    I don't know what it is about this one but the face, and even bits of the body, look... Oddly child-like. Not in the way they're drawn, but that they actually look like children's facial features and arms and legs. It might be the definition, since they're not as defined as the dress, but other than that I'm not sure what it is. I mean, I'm assuming that it's not a child because of the developed tits, so there's that.

    Anyone else see that/have better advice than I do?

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  • deadlydoritodeadlydorito __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    could be a teenager. theres some weird looking kids out htere man.

    fuck me silly i like the painting above that little girl. Holy shit i dont know why.

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  • iglidanteiglidante Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    You know, it's weird, but I actually like the first one less now that the bright white lines on the edges are gone. I do like the jaggedness of the thrust hip and that one lit breast, though.

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  • RikRik Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Interesting. Do you varnish after your'e done painting?

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  • valerycevaleryce Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Charis wrote: »
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    I don't know what it is about this one but the face, and even bits of the body, look... Oddly child-like. Not in the way they're drawn, but that they actually look like children's facial features and arms and legs. It might be the definition, since they're not as defined as the dress, but other than that I'm not sure what it is. I mean, I'm assuming that it's not a child because of the developed tits, so there's that.

    Anyone else see that/have better advice than I do?

    I think it looks childlike since the head is pretty big. Compare the head to the shoulders of the picture and then go look at a real women; real women have broader shoulders and smaller heads.

    I must say I absolutely LOVE the color you are using in this painting OP. It's super rad. However I would recommend getting some photoref for the anatomy if you want to make it a portfolio piece- did you paint this from life, from a model? Take some pics of the model before she goes home next time so you can reference it.

    Things you might want to fix if you have the time:
    -The fingers. Were they foreshortened in real life? I've made hands like that in the past because I suck at foreshortening. Try defining them a little better. Lie if you have to so that her hands read better. Right now she looks like someone cut off her fingers at her knuckles and that's NO GOOD.
    -Make her head smaller. It's way to big atm. So are her facial features, everything on her face is a little big. Her eyes are also a little high up on her face, usually eyes are closer to the middle.
    -Fix her clavicle. Clavicle's don't make a v shape like that... they're usually a little higher too.

    All anatomy issues aside I think it's really coming along. Your stuff is awesome so far, keep on posting your work. I LOVE your colors. <3<3 This is pretty great stuff.

    I can't think of anything to say about the first one except that I love the movement and gesture in it. It's beautiful! <3 I don't care that your anatomy is off since it looks like a woman in motion. I wish I could paint like that. Inspirational.

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  • GreatnationGreatnation Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    thanks everyone,

    valeryce- everything you said is on point, I'm still working on it, it's getting there.
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    Thats where the portrait is right now, the rest is seeing some drastic changes as well.


    Working on a series of smaller stuff this week, gunna put the larger guys on hold for a bit- give myself some time to dwell.


    I spent some time reading this today, found on mullens website. I really suggest yall get into it, lot's of buried treasure.

    http://www.goodbrush.com/misc/painting_lessons/sargent_notes.pdf

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  • valerycevaleryce Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Wow, great improvements! I like her red hair, it's pretty awesome. Keep up the good work.

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  • KendeathwalkerKendeathwalker Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Paint standing up because thats how men do it. Its really annoying getting up out of the chair and standing back from the painting when you can just simply step back with out breaking a thought flow then step back in quickly and make the adjusment based on what you just saw.....Unless of course you have the luxury of a chair with wheels.


    These all look promising GN looking forward to

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  • IkageIkage Registered User regular
    edited October 2009

    I don't know of a single professional studio painter who paints standing up. I am sure there is one out there...but yeah its pretty impractical.
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  • Guy BellGuy Bell Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Ikage wrote: »

    I don't know of a single professional studio painter who paints standing up. I am sure there is one out there...but yeah its pretty impractical.
    bob-ross.jpg

    That's it. I'm going as Bob Ross for halloween.

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  • Radar6590Radar6590 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    valeryce wrote: »
    -Fix her clavicle. Clavicle's don't make a v shape like that... they're usually a little higher too.

    I dunno about that. If you mean the dip above her collarbone (I think that you do, by clavicle), then that isn't always a true statement. Maybe it is here, because her shoulders look fairly relaxed, but be careful about generalizations, because if you raise your shoulders your collarbone does form more of a V.

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  • SublimusSublimus Artist. nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Ikage wrote: »

    I don't know of a single professional studio painter who paints standing up. I am sure there is one out there...but yeah its pretty impractical.
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    Looks closer.
    He's sitting

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  • IkageIkage Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Looks closer.
    He's sitting

    Watch alot of the videos he does. Dude stands a lot. I only know because my mother was a wildlife artist and watched his videos religiously when I was a little girl.

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  • srsizzysrsizzy Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Radar6590 wrote: »
    valeryce wrote: »
    -Fix her clavicle. Clavicle's don't make a v shape like that... they're usually a little higher too.

    I dunno about that. If you mean the dip above her collarbone (I think that you do, by clavicle), then that isn't always a true statement. Maybe it is here, because her shoulders look fairly relaxed, but be careful about generalizations, because if you raise your shoulders your collarbone does form more of a V.

    not like that though, and not with the neck that thin, and the shoulders relaxed. and whatever the diagonal muscles leading up to the neck are, those are sloped too steeply (I think?).

    here's some hot clavicle action:
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  • CharisCharis Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Aw yeah, you could run a Hot-Wheels car right over that.


    "Vroom, baby. I like your chili pepper/undeveloped fetus/deflated phallus earrings. Wanna be come to a party in my pants tonight?"

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