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Bring it, cable and talk radio demagogues: Obama crowned god-emperor of Illuminati.
I've yet to see any reaction that could be classified as "hate".
More like, "Well, if that just isn't the dumbest thing ever..."
It was some dumbshit that I hadn't talked to since grade school, that I even reluctantly accepted.
He pretty much blew his only straw.
I was surprised, much like everyone, and given the facts of what he had accomplished at the time the nominees were selected, he had barely even been in office. I have been happy with his diplomacy in general, and his willingness to repair our image abroad, but I do think the award was given to him prematurely.
I mean I'm all for a discussion, and even disagreeing on things as long as both sides are presented adequately, but I'm so sick of just seeing "OBAMA HUSSEIN IS A DICTATOR! HE TALKS LIKE A FAG, AND HIS SHITS ALL FUCKED UP!!!"... just so sick of that shit.
Also go away blues. Nobody wants your shit today. Obama wanted to close guantanamo but the realities are a lot more complex than that and you can't just shut it down right away.
No, it's fairly simple. Try people, extradite, or release.
Except he's running into the same issue as Bush did where there's a fourth class where none of the above apply, and it's just too hard or too dangerous to let them go.
So, he's doing the thing he stumped against for the entire campaign, he's doing the same thing Bush did: he's sitting on them until he can figure something out. He's sitting on them illegally, not giving them access to any legal system or representation.
Now, my personal feelings on this aside, it's clearly a fairly provocative human rights issue and is the antithesis of what the prize is supposed to represent. So, it's totally relevant and I'm sorry if the thought of it makes you cry.
I mean I'm all for a discussion, and even disagreeing on things as long as both sides are presented adequately, but I'm so sick of just seeing "OBAMA HUSSEIN IS A DICTATOR! HE TALKS LIKE A FAG, AND HIS SHITS ALL FUCKED UP!!!"... just so sick of that shit.
I don't care for that either, just like I didn't care for it from '00 to '08 and didn't care for it from '92 to '00. I have no use for political discourse that allows that much emotion and ad hominem focus into it. But seriously, it's being overblown on both sides. So he hasn't done anything tangible to deserve it, but it's not like it means much other than a purse of money and something to put on a resume after he leaves.
Look, Artreus,
I know he can't do everything. There are practical limitations to what the president can do. I certainly don't hate the guy, and I think he's doing a number of things right.
The thing is, the Peace Prize has sometimes been given to people best described as moral heroes. Obama's a good guy and all, but I don't believe he fits into that category. A WTF? is warranted.
I'm sorry. I need to remember that you guys can't hear what is in my head when I post. I was mostly speaking about Obama and people in general, not so much this specific incident when I was talking about people hating him and etc.
You views right here are totally reasonable and I don't really have any argument there.
"I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership," Obama said from the White House Rose Garden.
"I will accept this award as a call to action."
Obama said he did not feel he deserves "to be in the company" of past winners.
Also go away blues. Nobody wants your shit today. Obama wanted to close guantanamo but the realities are a lot more complex than that and you can't just shut it down right away.
No, it's fairly simple. Try people, extradite, or release.
Except he's running into the same issue as Bush did where there's a fourth class where none of the above apply, and it's just too hard or too dangerous to let them go.
So, he's doing the thing he stumped against for the entire campaign, he's doing the same thing Bush did: he's sitting on them until he can figure something out. He's sitting on them illegally, not giving them access to any legal system or representation.
Now, my personal feelings on this aside, it's clearly a fairly provocative human rights issue and is the antithesis of what the prize is supposed to represent. So, it's totally relevant and I'm sorry if the thought of it makes you cry.
he's absolutely right.
If the prisoners in Guatanamo are enemy combatants, then they're to be treated as POW's and they have rights under the Geneva Convention (not that we've ever adhered strictly to that convention in the past, but it's still a treaty that we signed). Consider what our reaction would be if we found out american soldiers were held in guatanamo style iranian prisons after being captured by the afghans while fighting over there... We have a reasonable expectation for other countries to play by those rules, and we should too, even when playing by the rules potentially might "compromise" some of our "security."
Even if they broke our laws, they didn't do so on our soil or anywhere we have jurisdiction. So bringing them to America and giving them their Due Process here isn't exactly... right. I'm not saying that these people should have Haebus Corpus suspended, but if we start carting them to our soil and putting them through our legal system it implies that we feel we have some kind of world-wide jurisdiction, which we don't. Extradition or release to their home country are the only real options as far as i'm concerned.
I know you hate Obama, but is your idea of an upstanding African-American politician Michael Steele?
Is that who you see as a role model for the African-American community?
First, I don't actually hate Obama. At the core, he's just another slimy pol who happens to be pretty good at spinning rhetoric. I do have a beef with a relatively small subset of Obama supporters - people who should basically know better.
Second, not sure what you're even asking here. Do I like Steele? Not really.
I know you hate Obama, but is your idea of an upstanding African-American politician Michael Steele?
Is that who you see as a role model for the African-American community?
First, I don't actually hate Obama. At the core, he's just another slimy pol who happens to be pretty good at spinning rhetoric. I do have a beef with a relatively small subset of Obama supporters - people who should basically know better.
Second, not sure what you're even asking here. Do I like Steele? Not really.
i don't think anyone likes steele
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ArtreusI'm a wizardAnd that looks fucked upRegistered Userregular
I mean I'm all for a discussion, and even disagreeing on things as long as both sides are presented adequately, but I'm so sick of just seeing "OBAMA HUSSEIN IS A DICTATOR! HE TALKS LIKE A FAG, AND HIS SHITS ALL FUCKED UP!!!"... just so sick of that shit.
I don't care for that either, just like I didn't care for it from '00 to '08 and didn't care for it from '92 to '00. I have no use for political discourse that allows that much emotion and ad hominem focus into it. But seriously, it's being overblown on both sides. So he hasn't done anything tangible to deserve it, but it's not like it means much other than a purse of money and something to put on a resume after he leaves.
I actually white knighted for bush quite a lot while he was in office. There were a boatload of issues with him, but people still managed to make retarded aruguments and claims.
I still can't believe the people that really supported bush are bashing Obama for "trying to take away our rights" when bush did far more in that area than Obama (probably) ever will.
I know you hate Obama, but is your idea of an upstanding African-American politician Michael Steele?
Is that who you see as a role model for the African-American community?
First, I don't actually hate Obama. At the core, he's just another slimy pol who happens to be pretty good at spinning rhetoric. I do have a beef with a relatively small subset of Obama supporters - people who should basically know better.
Second, not sure what you're even asking here. Do I like Steele? Not really.
i don't think anyone likes steele
Yea, I didn't think so. Just trying to get a pulse on where deacon stands. He trolls and plays devil's advocate so much it's hard to know exactly what his position is on things.
I know you hate Obama, but is your idea of an upstanding African-American politician Michael Steele?
Is that who you see as a role model for the African-American community?
First, I don't actually hate Obama. At the core, he's just another slimy pol who happens to be pretty good at spinning rhetoric. I do have a beef with a relatively small subset of Obama supporters - people who should basically know better.
Second, not sure what you're even asking here. Do I like Steele? Not really.
i don't think anyone likes steele
For me, he's incredibly hit-and-miss. On occasion he'll pop up and say something good. But it seems like most of the time he's in defensive crouch "Please please don't hate us" mode.
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Baroque And RollEvery spark of friendship and loveWill die without a homeRegistered Userregular
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RE: Facebook discussion
I'm going to start accosting people who bitch about it in statuses and act like the man has never done a good deed.
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Andrew Jackson once said that one of his two regrets was not shooting his vice president.
Really calling our president a communist is still a lot better than the president wanting to shoot his vice president.
consider: back in jackson's day the VP was the runner up for the presidency.
It's like if John McCain was Obama's VP or if Kerry had ended up as Bush's VP.
I still doubt either of them would be all "Man, I totally should've shot that dude"
Also Henry Clay. I don't know of any specific thing here, but according to the West Wing Henry Clay works in every example, so I'm sure he was involved in nasty political stuff
Andrew Jackson once said that one of his two regrets was not shooting his vice president.
Really calling our president a communist is still a lot better than the president wanting to shoot his vice president.
consider: back in jackson's day the VP was the runner up for the presidency.
It's like if John McCain was Obama's VP or if Kerry had ended up as Bush's VP.
I still doubt either of them would be all "Man, I totally should've shot that dude"
Also Henry Clay. I don't know of any specific thing here, but according to the West Wing Henry Clay works in every example, so I'm sure he was involved in nasty political stuff
There's a dick cheney joke in there that's not quite forming up properly.
Yea, I didn't think so. Just trying to get a pulse on where deacon stands. He trolls and plays devil's advocate so much it's hard to know exactly what his position is on things.
Andrew Jackson once said that one of his two regrets was not shooting his vice president.
Really calling our president a communist is still a lot better than the president wanting to shoot his vice president.
consider: back in jackson's day the VP was the runner up for the presidency.
It's like if John McCain was Obama's VP or if Kerry had ended up as Bush's VP.
I still doubt either of them would be all "Man, I totally should've shot that dude"
Also Henry Clay. I don't know of any specific thing here, but according to the West Wing Henry Clay works in every example, so I'm sure he was involved in nasty political stuff
There's a dick cheney joke in there that's not quite forming up properly.
but it's THERE.
You're in SE and you can't form a dick joke properly?
I'm going to start accosting people who bitch about it in statuses and act like the man has never done a good deed.
It's like he had no career whatsoever before January this year!
Well, based on the definition of the prize itself, it would be tough to qualify anything he's previously done - not that he hasn't done good things, just that they're not on the scale of "reducing armies and fostering world peace".
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I'm going to start accosting people who bitch about it in statuses and act like the man has never done a good deed.
It's like he had no career whatsoever before January this year!
Well, based on the definition of the prize itself, it would be tough to qualify anything he's previously done - not that he hasn't done good things, just that they're not on the scale of "reducing armies and fostering world peace".
The Nobel Prize for peace has been awarded to people who have the potential to make changes as well. You don't have to accomplish any one thing to earn the merit. This is according to the committee at least.
I'm going to start accosting people who bitch about it in statuses and act like the man has never done a good deed.
It's like he had no career whatsoever before January this year!
Well, based on the definition of the prize itself, it would be tough to qualify anything he's previously done - not that he hasn't done good things, just that they're not on the scale of "reducing armies and fostering world peace".
I agree that the award was premature, but goddamn people think the man hasn't done a damn thing.
I'm going to start accosting people who bitch about it in statuses and act like the man has never done a good deed.
It's like he had no career whatsoever before January this year!
Well, based on the definition of the prize itself, it would be tough to qualify anything he's previously done - not that he hasn't done good things, just that they're not on the scale of "reducing armies and fostering world peace".
The Nobel Prize for peace has been awarded to people who have the potential to make changes as well. You don't have to accomplish any one thing to earn the merit. This is according to the committee at least.
Which is why he should fly out there to accept the award in person and, en route, declare that he's approved the Afghanistan troop surge. Just to confuse them.
Yea, I didn't think so. Just trying to get a pulse on where deacon stands. He trolls and plays devil's advocate so much it's hard to know exactly what his position is on things.
:zzz:
unless you poke deacon with a stick he's not going to say anything
I agree that the award was premature, but goddamn people think the man hasn't done a damn thing.
Everyone's done something. Breathing in and out is a thing, technically. What they're looking for is something more along the lines of actual legislative accomplishment that's brought about something measurable, perhaps. Something more specific towards peace.
I agree that the award was premature, but goddamn people think the man hasn't done a damn thing.
Everyone's done something. Breathing in and out is a thing, technically. What they're looking for is something more along the lines of actual legislative accomplishment that's brought about something measurable, perhaps. Something more specific towards peace.
I disagree in that the "thing" that he has done is not be as miserable as the last guy was in every way.
Really this is getting far more attention than it deserves. The Peace prize is awarded based on the determination of five members elected by the Norwegian parliament. You can agree or disagree with their decision, but it's basically just five people giving their opinion. It's been assigned far more importance over the years than it really deserves and of course conservatives are trying to somehow make this decision by the five members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (which is the committee that deals specifically with the peace prize alone) reflect on Obama or American liberals who had nothing really to do with their decision.
I agree that the award was premature, but goddamn people think the man hasn't done a damn thing.
Everyone's done something. Breathing in and out is a thing, technically. What they're looking for is something more along the lines of actual legislative accomplishment that's brought about something measurable, perhaps. Something more specific towards peace.
I disagree in that the "thing" that he has done is not be as miserable as the last guy was in every way.
Like how he closed gitmo.
Or refused to let any lobbyists take jobs in his administration.
Really this is getting far more attention than it deserves. The Peace prize is awarded based on the determination of five members elected by the Norwegian parliament. You can agree or disagree with their decision, but it's basically just five people giving their opinion. It's been assigned far more importance over the years than it really deserves and of course conservatives are trying to somehow make this decision by the five members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (which is the committee that deals specifically with the peace prize alone) reflect on Obama or American liberals who had nothing really to do with their decision.
But the fact is that it's coming at a time when Obama's struggling with the perception that he's spreading himself too thin, not getting anything done, etc. So it's kind of drawing attention back to that.
I agree that the award was premature, but goddamn people think the man hasn't done a damn thing.
Everyone's done something. Breathing in and out is a thing, technically. What they're looking for is something more along the lines of actual legislative accomplishment that's brought about something measurable, perhaps. Something more specific towards peace.
I disagree in that the "thing" that he has done is not be as miserable as the last guy was in every way.
Like how he closed gitmo.
Or refused to let any lobbyists take jobs in his administration.
Or brought spending under control.
It's cool because he wasn't given the peace prize for doing any of those things
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It was some dumbshit that I hadn't talked to since grade school, that I even reluctantly accepted.
He pretty much blew his only straw.
I was surprised, much like everyone, and given the facts of what he had accomplished at the time the nominees were selected, he had barely even been in office. I have been happy with his diplomacy in general, and his willingness to repair our image abroad, but I do think the award was given to him prematurely.
I mean I'm all for a discussion, and even disagreeing on things as long as both sides are presented adequately, but I'm so sick of just seeing "OBAMA HUSSEIN IS A DICTATOR! HE TALKS LIKE A FAG, AND HIS SHITS ALL FUCKED UP!!!"... just so sick of that shit.
No, it's fairly simple. Try people, extradite, or release.
Except he's running into the same issue as Bush did where there's a fourth class where none of the above apply, and it's just too hard or too dangerous to let them go.
So, he's doing the thing he stumped against for the entire campaign, he's doing the same thing Bush did: he's sitting on them until he can figure something out. He's sitting on them illegally, not giving them access to any legal system or representation.
Now, my personal feelings on this aside, it's clearly a fairly provocative human rights issue and is the antithesis of what the prize is supposed to represent. So, it's totally relevant and I'm sorry if the thought of it makes you cry.
-Mikal-
as important democrats who have done good work trying to make the world a better place
glad you agree!
Stay Classy
And what's that picture got to do with this?
I'm sorry. I need to remember that you guys can't hear what is in my head when I post. I was mostly speaking about Obama and people in general, not so much this specific incident when I was talking about people hating him and etc.
You views right here are totally reasonable and I don't really have any argument there.
"I will accept this award as a call to action."
Obama said he did not feel he deserves "to be in the company" of past winners.
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This is why I'm glad I voted for this man. What a classy motherfucker. I'm being sincere.
Really calling our president a communist is still a lot better than the president wanting to shoot his vice president.
he's absolutely right.
If the prisoners in Guatanamo are enemy combatants, then they're to be treated as POW's and they have rights under the Geneva Convention (not that we've ever adhered strictly to that convention in the past, but it's still a treaty that we signed). Consider what our reaction would be if we found out american soldiers were held in guatanamo style iranian prisons after being captured by the afghans while fighting over there... We have a reasonable expectation for other countries to play by those rules, and we should too, even when playing by the rules potentially might "compromise" some of our "security."
Even if they broke our laws, they didn't do so on our soil or anywhere we have jurisdiction. So bringing them to America and giving them their Due Process here isn't exactly... right. I'm not saying that these people should have Haebus Corpus suspended, but if we start carting them to our soil and putting them through our legal system it implies that we feel we have some kind of world-wide jurisdiction, which we don't. Extradition or release to their home country are the only real options as far as i'm concerned.
-Mikal-
First, I don't actually hate Obama. At the core, he's just another slimy pol who happens to be pretty good at spinning rhetoric. I do have a beef with a relatively small subset of Obama supporters - people who should basically know better.
Second, not sure what you're even asking here. Do I like Steele? Not really.
Also... I'm legally related to his vice president. (supposedly)
i don't think anyone likes steele
I actually white knighted for bush quite a lot while he was in office. There were a boatload of issues with him, but people still managed to make retarded aruguments and claims.
I still can't believe the people that really supported bush are bashing Obama for "trying to take away our rights" when bush did far more in that area than Obama (probably) ever will.
Yea, I didn't think so. Just trying to get a pulse on where deacon stands. He trolls and plays devil's advocate so much it's hard to know exactly what his position is on things.
consider: back in jackson's day the VP was the runner up for the presidency.
It's like if John McCain was Obama's VP or if Kerry had ended up as Bush's VP.
-Mikal-
it would be so entertaining
That would have been way more exciting.
For me, he's incredibly hit-and-miss. On occasion he'll pop up and say something good. But it seems like most of the time he's in defensive crouch "Please please don't hate us" mode.
I'm going to start accosting people who bitch about it in statuses and act like the man has never done a good deed.
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It's like he had no career whatsoever before January this year!
I still doubt either of them would be all "Man, I totally should've shot that dude"
Also Henry Clay. I don't know of any specific thing here, but according to the West Wing Henry Clay works in every example, so I'm sure he was involved in nasty political stuff
There's a dick cheney joke in there that's not quite forming up properly.
but it's THERE.
-Mikal-
:zzz:
You're in SE and you can't form a dick joke properly?
Well, based on the definition of the prize itself, it would be tough to qualify anything he's previously done - not that he hasn't done good things, just that they're not on the scale of "reducing armies and fostering world peace".
The Nobel Prize for peace has been awarded to people who have the potential to make changes as well. You don't have to accomplish any one thing to earn the merit. This is according to the committee at least.
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I agree that the award was premature, but goddamn people think the man hasn't done a damn thing.
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unless you poke deacon with a stick he's not going to say anything
I disagree in that the "thing" that he has done is not be as miserable as the last guy was in every way.
Admittedly nothing came out of that but making Eastern Europeans angry at us, but still...
Like how he closed gitmo.
Or refused to let any lobbyists take jobs in his administration.
Or brought spending under control.
But the fact is that it's coming at a time when Obama's struggling with the perception that he's spreading himself too thin, not getting anything done, etc. So it's kind of drawing attention back to that.
because he just loves his country so much
It's cool because he wasn't given the peace prize for doing any of those things