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My grandfather bought one for me when I was born. It was recently given to me from storage to do with it as I see fit. Selling it is a temping thought, now would be a great time to have nearly an extra grand (estimate based on price of gold, haven't contacted a coin dealer yet). However, this is a generally interesting thing to own.
I feel like unless I land on incredibly hard times in the future and need extra money, if I don't sell this now I never will.
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I feel like unless I land on incredibly hard times in the future and need extra money, if I don't sell this now I never will.
Practical side: Do you need the extra money now? What would you do with the extra money?
My opinion: Regardless of the answers to the above, I'd hold on to it. As a hedge against inflation, as your ace-in-the-hole if you get laid off, or if you have another sudden, pressing need for money right now.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
edited October 2009
If by "a great time to have nearly an extra grand" you mean "so I can buy that ginormo-screen TV", then no. Keep it.
If you mean "so I can pay my rent", then yeah... you might want to consider it... but I would still pursue other options. I don't think gold prices are going to double again like some people claim, but it's still a pretty solid investment.
You might look into places where you might be able to reinvest its value and earn a better return. The stock market is a pretty good option right now if you're looking at long-term investment (not if you're looking at a quick turnaround).
Pending the discovery of a enormous gold reserve, the price will not fluctuate much, so it is a fairly solid investment. Keep it until you need the money.
It seems like they sell for a slightly higher percentage than the amount of gold they contain (1 oz of 22k gold).
Pending the discovery of a enormous gold reserve, the price will not fluctuate much, so it is a fairly solid investment. Keep it until you need the money.
It seems like they sell for a slightly higher percentage than the amount of gold they contain (1 oz of 22k gold).
Over the next 5 years, I'd expect your downside risk would be much greater then your upside potential on the commodity price of gold. Barring the poles swithing or something.
If by "a great time to have nearly an extra grand" you mean "so I can buy that ginormo-screen TV", then no. Keep it.
If you mean "so I can pay my rent", then yeah... you might want to consider it... but I would still pursue other options. I don't think gold prices are going to double again like some people claim, but it's still a pretty solid investment.
You might look into places where you might be able to reinvest its value and earn a better return. The stock market is a pretty good option right now if you're looking at long-term investment (not if you're looking at a quick turnaround).
I'm set when it comes to stocks right now. If I had this three months ago, I probably would have sold it. But now I'm working full time for salary and am starting to rebuild my finances. Well, that of my personal non-savings finances. I had been living off of my investments for nearly a year looking for work, so I guess I'm still a bit stuck in the "well, theres anther dollar I'm taking out of the market" mode.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
I'm set when it comes to stocks right now. If I had this three months ago, I probably would have sold it. But now I'm working full time for salary and am starting to rebuild my finances. Well, that of my personal non-savings finances. I had been living off of my investments for nearly a year looking for work, so I guess I'm still a bit stuck in the "well, theres anther dollar I'm taking out of the market" mode.
I would hold on to it. It's a nice safety net if you come down to dire straits.
While a grand seems like a good chunk of change, unless you absolutely owe someone that much money right now, you're better off holding it.
For example, if you have a credit card with a $1000 balance on it, weigh the pros and cons of paying that balance off or paying something like twice the minimum payment (which should well cover the interest) over time. You still have that $1000 if things go to shit and you're not harming yourself having that credit card balance (well, at least you're not doing major damage and you're not facing life on the streets). Yeah, it looks better to have low credit balances, but it's not the type of thing you need to start selling off investments and assets in order to obtain.
I'm set when it comes to stocks right now. If I had this three months ago, I probably would have sold it. But now I'm working full time for salary and am starting to rebuild my finances. Well, that of my personal non-savings finances. I had been living off of my investments for nearly a year looking for work, so I guess I'm still a bit stuck in the "well, theres anther dollar I'm taking out of the market" mode.
I would hold on to it. It's a nice safety net if you come down to dire straits.
While a grand seems like a good chunk of change, unless you absolutely owe someone that much money right now, you're better off holding it.
For example, if you have a credit card with a $1000 balance on it, weigh the pros and cons of paying that balance off or paying something like twice the minimum payment (which should well cover the interest) over time. You still have that $1000 if things go to shit and you're not harming yourself having that credit card balance (well, at least you're not doing major damage and you're not facing life on the streets). Yeah, it looks better to have low credit balances, but it's not the type of thing you need to start selling off investments and assets in order to obtain.
There is no way in hell the interest rate on gold is going to outpace the interest rate on a credit card.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
It slipped my mind while making this thread, but I do owe a family member $5,000 which I promised to pay back by the end of the year. The only way I'll be able to pay that is by removing it from my stocks and bonds.
I suppose the question becomes, is it worth it to keep $1000 in gold or $1000 in the market? My portfolio manager has been doing a great job, so I'm leaning towards selling it.
(This loan is my only debt)
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It slipped my mind while making this thread, but I do owe a family member $5,000 which I promised to pay back by the end of the year. The only way I'll be able to pay that is by removing it from my stocks and bonds.
I suppose the question becomes, is it worth it to keep $1000 in gold or $1000 in the market? My portfolio manager has been doing a great job, so I'm leaning towards selling it.
(This loan is my only debt)
No one is going to be able to tell you what the market is going to do, or what gold is going to do.
That being said: historically, over the long term, the market outpaces gold.
It slipped my mind while making this thread, but I do owe a family member $5,000 which I promised to pay back by the end of the year. The only way I'll be able to pay that is by removing it from my stocks and bonds.
I suppose the question becomes, is it worth it to keep $1000 in gold or $1000 in the market? My portfolio manager has been doing a great job, so I'm leaning towards selling it.
(This loan is my only debt)
Thats a fairly important piece of information. Given that, I would sell the gold in favor of hanging onto the investments.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
There is no way in hell the interest rate on gold is going to outpace the interest rate on a credit card.
Agreed? I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I was saying or if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
I wasn't suggesting he open a new credit card, I'm saying it's not worth it to use the sale of the gold to pay off a credit card.
I'm saying that there is no way in fucking hell you wouldn't want to sell off gold to pay off a credit card.
I guess I'm just viewing that as being similar to selling off your car or a family heirloom in order to pay down a debt you don't need to pay immediately. Like there are much more sane ways of dealing with the situation.
Like, if you have a $1000 balance and an 18% interest rate, if you just pay double the minimum payment (assuming it's, say, $20, so you're paying $40), you're only paying about $260 over a little over two and a half years in interest. $8 a month is worth it to me to keep a $1000 asset that I can pretty much sell at-whim in the case of an emergency.
There is no way in hell the interest rate on gold is going to outpace the interest rate on a credit card.
Agreed? I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I was saying or if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
I wasn't suggesting he open a new credit card, I'm saying it's not worth it to use the sale of the gold to pay off a credit card.
I'm saying that there is no way in fucking hell you wouldn't want to sell off gold to pay off a credit card.
I guess I'm just viewing that as being similar to selling off your car or a family heirloom in order to pay down a debt you don't need to pay immediately. Like there are much more sane ways of dealing with the situation.
Like, if you have a $1000 balance and an 18% interest rate, if you just pay double the minimum payment (assuming it's, say, $20, so you're paying $40), you're only paying about $260 over a little over two and a half years in interest. $8 a month is worth it to me to keep a $1000 asset that I can pretty much sell at-whim in the case of an emergency.
Gee, if only there were some form of card or something you could use to pay for things in case of an emergency.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
Given the loan situation and disregarding any emotional bond you have to the coin, this all comes down to which investment you think is going to perform better over the next couple of months, the gold or your stocks.
Gold is up 24% over a year and is still gaining(7% last month), unless your stocks guy is a genious or lucky it's unlikely to be doing as well. I would hold on to the gold and see where it goes over the next few months, although I think it's near the peak I wouldn't be surprised to get another 20% out of it.
Given the loan situation and disregarding any emotional bond you have to the coin, this all comes down to which investment you think is going to perform better over the next couple of months, the gold or your stocks.
Gold is up 24% over a year and is still gaining(7% last month), unless your stocks guy is a genious or lucky it's unlikely to be doing as well. I would hold on to the gold and see where it goes over the next few months, although I think it's near the peak I wouldn't be surprised to get another 20% out of it.
Historical performance is no guarantee of future gains.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
edited October 2009
Well, all the people who sell gold are telling us it could double again... that's got to be sound advice.
Given the loan situation and disregarding any emotional bond you have to the coin, this all comes down to which investment you think is going to perform better over the next couple of months, the gold or your stocks.
Gold is up 24% over a year and is still gaining(7% last month), unless your stocks guy is a genious or lucky it's unlikely to be doing as well. I would hold on to the gold and see where it goes over the next few months, although I think it's near the peak I wouldn't be surprised to get another 20% out of it.
I don't have any real sentimental attachment to this thing outside of "fuck, this is an awesome thing."
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Given the loan situation and disregarding any emotional bond you have to the coin, this all comes down to which investment you think is going to perform better over the next couple of months, the gold or your stocks.
Gold is up 24% over a year and is still gaining(7% last month), unless your stocks guy is a genious or lucky it's unlikely to be doing as well. I would hold on to the gold and see where it goes over the next few months, although I think it's near the peak I wouldn't be surprised to get another 20% out of it.
I don't have any real sentimental attachment to this thing outside of "fuck, this is an awesome thing."
Personally, I wouldn't sell it. You could give it to your firstborn some day, and maybe he will to his someday...etc etc.
If you don't absolutely need the money at this moment, then don't do it.
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kaliyamaLeft to find less-moderated foraRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
I'm sure you can google all this and get a better account, but gold does well when people are worried about inflation and hedgign as a risk against volatility. When the macroeconomic picture looks inflationary the value of gold will rise. If the recession wasn't so terrible, increased govb't spending and the rest should be having inflationary effects, but have been drowned out by deflationary impulses and the fact that much of the stimulus money is going to keep banks relatively liquod - so much of the $ isn't being lent out again in addition to current good loans, but is being used to cover current shortfalls in banks' game of roulette.
As a Numismatist, I say keep it. Not only will it grow only more valuable with time, you can give it to your kids (if you end up having any) and if they are any kind of smart they will think it's "hip" and "cool." Coins, even ones that don't have a set amount of value like the Krug, don't generally decpriciate like your car or computer. The rate is always going up, it just fluctuates between slow and very slow. The difference with the Krug is that it's always worth it's weight in gold, with the added bonus the older it gets, the more valuable it gets. Really, it's win win with coins. Keep it.
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Powerpuppiesdrinking coffee in themountain cabinRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
It's a stupid investment if you have credit card debt.
That said, if you think it makes a neat heirloom, hold onto it on 'cool thing' grounds even if there aren't any 'make money' grounds to keep it.
As a Numismatist, I say keep it. Not only will it grow only more valuable with time, you can give it to your kids (if you end up having any) and if they are any kind of smart they will think it's "hip" and "cool." Coins, even ones that don't have a set amount of value like the Krug, don't generally decpriciate like your car or computer. The rate is always going up, it just fluctuates between slow and very slow. The difference with the Krug is that it's always worth it's weight in gold, with the added bonus the older it gets, the more valuable it gets. Really, it's win win with coins. Keep it.
What? No. The gold value of a krugerrand completely overwhelms the numismatic value. The rate does not always go up, it follows the price of gold, with an added premium. That premium isn't getting any larger any time soon. The value of collectable coins doesn't even always go up.
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Practical side: Do you need the extra money now? What would you do with the extra money?
My opinion: Regardless of the answers to the above, I'd hold on to it. As a hedge against inflation, as your ace-in-the-hole if you get laid off, or if you have another sudden, pressing need for money right now.
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If you mean "so I can pay my rent", then yeah... you might want to consider it... but I would still pursue other options. I don't think gold prices are going to double again like some people claim, but it's still a pretty solid investment.
You might look into places where you might be able to reinvest its value and earn a better return. The stock market is a pretty good option right now if you're looking at long-term investment (not if you're looking at a quick turnaround).
It seems like they sell for a slightly higher percentage than the amount of gold they contain (1 oz of 22k gold).
Go here, under multi year gold, check 1975-2009.
Over the next 5 years, I'd expect your downside risk would be much greater then your upside potential on the commodity price of gold. Barring the poles swithing or something.
I'm set when it comes to stocks right now. If I had this three months ago, I probably would have sold it. But now I'm working full time for salary and am starting to rebuild my finances. Well, that of my personal non-savings finances. I had been living off of my investments for nearly a year looking for work, so I guess I'm still a bit stuck in the "well, theres anther dollar I'm taking out of the market" mode.
I would hold on to it. It's a nice safety net if you come down to dire straits.
While a grand seems like a good chunk of change, unless you absolutely owe someone that much money right now, you're better off holding it.
For example, if you have a credit card with a $1000 balance on it, weigh the pros and cons of paying that balance off or paying something like twice the minimum payment (which should well cover the interest) over time. You still have that $1000 if things go to shit and you're not harming yourself having that credit card balance (well, at least you're not doing major damage and you're not facing life on the streets). Yeah, it looks better to have low credit balances, but it's not the type of thing you need to start selling off investments and assets in order to obtain.
Agreed? I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I was saying or if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
I wasn't suggesting he open a new credit card, I'm saying it's not worth it to use the sale of the gold to pay off a credit card.
I suppose the question becomes, is it worth it to keep $1000 in gold or $1000 in the market? My portfolio manager has been doing a great job, so I'm leaning towards selling it.
(This loan is my only debt)
That being said: historically, over the long term, the market outpaces gold.
Thats a fairly important piece of information. Given that, I would sell the gold in favor of hanging onto the investments.
I guess I'm just viewing that as being similar to selling off your car or a family heirloom in order to pay down a debt you don't need to pay immediately. Like there are much more sane ways of dealing with the situation.
Like, if you have a $1000 balance and an 18% interest rate, if you just pay double the minimum payment (assuming it's, say, $20, so you're paying $40), you're only paying about $260 over a little over two and a half years in interest. $8 a month is worth it to me to keep a $1000 asset that I can pretty much sell at-whim in the case of an emergency.
Well yeah... there's that.
Gold is up 24% over a year and is still gaining(7% last month), unless your stocks guy is a genious or lucky it's unlikely to be doing as well. I would hold on to the gold and see where it goes over the next few months, although I think it's near the peak I wouldn't be surprised to get another 20% out of it.
I don't have any real sentimental attachment to this thing outside of "fuck, this is an awesome thing."
Personally, I wouldn't sell it. You could give it to your firstborn some day, and maybe he will to his someday...etc etc.
If you don't absolutely need the money at this moment, then don't do it.
That said, if you think it makes a neat heirloom, hold onto it on 'cool thing' grounds even if there aren't any 'make money' grounds to keep it.
What? No. The gold value of a krugerrand completely overwhelms the numismatic value. The rate does not always go up, it follows the price of gold, with an added premium. That premium isn't getting any larger any time soon. The value of collectable coins doesn't even always go up.