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The Seduction Of Flight

AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
edited October 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
I love to fly. Seriously.

It may sound silly, but I think that there is something beautiful and poetic about flight. Even in this day of budget carriers with cattle call boarding, $5 snack packs, seats that you barely fit in, and delay upon delay, there is still a poetic majesty that comes with the sensation of feeling the wind catch the wings of the plane, and being released from the bonds of gravity that hold us to the earth, if only temporarily. And I feel sad about missing the past days of air flight, where it was a treat and a privilege to get to fly, and the airlines treated it as such in so many different ways.

Airlines used to give to people who completed a transoceanic flight special certificates commerating such a feat:

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And look at some of the fashions of the flight attendants from the Golden Age of Flight:
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(BTW, those are Southwest attendants from the 60s, if you want an idea of how much has changed)
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(Yep, Soviet era Aeroflot attendants. Even the Russkies had style back then.)

That's not to say that the modern airlines have completely lost that charm, though.

For example, Air New Zealand's "Nothing To Hide" campaign brings back a bit of playfulness.

Or how about the United sales director who recreated a PanAm first class cabin in his garage?

Even in this day and age of a workmanlike attitude that a lot of us bring to flight, not to mention the added necessary annoyance of the TSA checking passengers to keep everyone safe, it's still a magical moment when the nose lifts up, and you feel the landing gear go slack as the plane leaves the surface, to fly like a metal bird through the skies. Even today, I still watch out the window during takeoff - because that experience of achieving what was considered unthinkable only a century ago is still exhilarating to me.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I like flying in small single and dual prop/turboprop airplanes flown by people I more or less know. Which, despite my poorness, happens more than one would think because there are a bunch of flight schools, a pretty well know aviation university, and an upscale housing development thingy with it's own air strip(big enough to land a G5, but aside from temporary overflow parking for big events and airshows jets are verboten due to noise and a tendency for them to be owned by scientologist windbags who no one really wants living there anyway).

    I really can't get into airlines. After about 30 minutes there isn't really anything to see and you are just crammed in like sardines for hours in seats so uncomfortable they make me long for the hard plastic desks of my school days. It's just not particularly pleasant or interesting. I flew first class once. Free drinks and a bigger seat, but still pretty much boring.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    redx wrote: »
    I really can't get into airlines. After about 30 minutes there isn't really anything to see and you are just crammed in like sardines for hours in seats so uncomfortable they make me long for the hard plastic desks of my school days. It's just not particularly pleasant or interesting. I flew first class once. Free drinks and a bigger seat, but still pretty much boring.

    I think part of it is that some of the mystique is gone from flight, which makes me a sad hedgie. That said, I've seen some neat things, like interactive trivia games where everyone in the plane can play against one another. That was actually pretty fun.

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  • KanamitKanamit Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Last time I flew the flight attendants actually went out before boarding and checked the dimensions of random carry ons, and they were really strict about them too. And to think that I thought that flying couldn't get any worse.

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  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Shiny. Real shiny.Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    The first time I had flown was interesting.

    Not because anything spectacular or terrifying but because it was just plain neat.

    I liked the feeling of it.

    Wish I could do it more.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    On the other hand, wasn't the "golden age" of flight mostly a function of the fact that air travel was for the well-off only? "Romance" tends to go hand-in-hand with "exclusivity." There was even a name for the class of people who could afford to travel by air—the "jet set." Air travelers probably tend to be much more socioeconomically diverse now then they were back in the '60s.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    On the other hand, wasn't the "golden age" of flight mostly a function of the fact that air travel was for the well-off only? "Romance" tends to go hand-in-hand with "exclusivity." There was even a name for the class of people who could afford to travel by air—the "jet set." Air travelers probably tend to be much more socioeconomically diverse now then they were back in the '60s.

    Which is a good point. It's nice that air travel is more accessible today. Still, you have to admit that we have lost a bit of that romance, even if we've gained so much in making air flight more egalitarian.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I think it's inevitable really. Whatever the next form of travel is (near space orbit?) it almost certainly will be available only to the very well off. And the accommodations will also certainly be super-plush.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Airline seats are not made for tall people, thus, I immensely dislike flying. Sitting in something for 10 hours where your head is too high for the headrest, and you can sit with your knees together because the seat in front of you is too close, is a miserable, miserable experience. Couple this with air sickness, and the thought of getting on a plane to me is not a pleasant one. (I do take dramamine, but I still can't do much besides sit there.)

    I do remember, though, being a little kid in the early 80s and flying. Getting to go up in the cockpit in-flight, getting sets of wings. The drink carts were plentiful, the seats were expansive. Those were the days. Now we're just cattle if we're not in first class.

    Also, my dad worked for the FAA for 32 years maintaining instrument landing systems on the ground, and the number of near-misses he heard of were enough to make him refuse to ever fly.

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  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I have a little over 1500 hours of flying time. That is like flying for two months straight.

    I've crossed the Atlantic ocean more times than I can remember.

    If I ever climb onto another goddamn plane it will be too soon.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Kanamit wrote: »
    Last time I flew the flight attendants actually went out before boarding and checked the dimensions of random carry ons, and they were really strict about them too. And to think that I thought that flying couldn't get any worse.

    When I was flying back from Sweden they checked the weight and dimension of every single persons carry ons. When groups of people failed they didn't let them re-distribute stuff. I thougt I was about to get front seats to a lynching.

    Matt, try to nab an exit seat/tell them to give you an exit seat. It work more then you'd imagine.

    They were still doing the cockpit thing when I was a kid as well, I imagine it was 9/11 which ended that right?

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  • TachTach Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I can stand flying, the physical part, but everything else involved fills me with dread. I hate what airports have become. It's near intolerable to me. And getting on/off a plane has always been tedious. It's the absolute least favorite part of a trip for me. Knowing I have to do it twice always makes me cringe.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Leitner wrote: »
    Kanamit wrote: »
    Last time I flew the flight attendants actually went out before boarding and checked the dimensions of random carry ons, and they were really strict about them too. And to think that I thought that flying couldn't get any worse.

    When I was flying back from Sweden they checked the weight and dimension of every single persons carry ons. When groups of people failed they didn't let them re-distribute stuff. I thougt I was about to get front seats to a lynching.

    Matt, try to nab an exit seat/tell them to give you an exit seat. It work more then you'd imagine.

    They were still doing the cockpit thing when I was a kid as well, I imagine it was 9/11 which ended that right?
    I try to get exit rows, or front bulkhead seats, but it's really hit or miss, especially buying tickets through sites like Expedia where you can't pick your seat. Plus some airlines charge more for them now. 9/11 ended being able to go into the cockpit in flight yeah, but giving out wings had been phased out before that on most carriers.

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  • KanamitKanamit Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I usually sit in the back row because most of the time it's the last to get filled.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I try to get exit rows, or front bulkhead seats, but it's really hit or miss, especially buying tickets through sites like Expedia where you can't pick your seat. Plus some airlines charge more for them now. 9/11 ended being able to go into the cockpit in flight yeah, but giving out wings had been phased out before that on most carriers.
    How tall are you? What I always do is tell them they need to give me an exit seat legally due to health and safety. I'm pretty certain this isn't actually true, bt I started doing it after a recommendation from here. Works better for me then most, but past say 6"2/3 I'm sure they'll acquiesce.

    (all the personal flying I do is with easy jet online booking - no reserved seats either).

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Missed that, I'm 6'4.

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  • PellaeonPellaeon Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Kanamit wrote: »
    Last time I flew the flight attendants actually went out before boarding and checked the dimensions of random carry ons, and they were really strict about them too. And to think that I thought that flying couldn't get any worse.

    Maybe this is because some people seem to think a 50 lb full size suitcase that takes up 3/4 of a bin and only fits sideways coutns as "carry on."

    Don't get me wrong, I laugh at the impractical size of the tiny "official" bin that your carry on is supposed to fit in (which everyone ignores, but some people try and take it so far to the other extreme that I sometimes wish the attendant would call some people on their space-hogging bullshit rather than delay the flight trying to help them find some empty bin way in the back, because I'm sure there is space on this overbooked flight for the last persons leviathan luggage.

    /rant

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  • SceptreSceptre Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I tend to fly about once a month for various reasons. As much as I dislike airport security, I still love the sensation of being up in the air. I guess I'm a bit lucky in that I'm 5'8, so I tend not not have a problem with my legs.

    I especially enjoy smaller planes, so I think I'm one of the few people who gets excited when they hear they have to make a connection through a smaller airport like Winnipeg.

    The one thing that can really pull me out of the experience however, is a crying infant.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    And then there are things like the curse of flight 191 and well I only get on planes when absolutely necessary.

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  • TK-42-1TK-42-1 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Those Southwest stewardesses are the same ones still working today.

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  • KanamitKanamit Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Pellaeon wrote: »
    Kanamit wrote: »
    Last time I flew the flight attendants actually went out before boarding and checked the dimensions of random carry ons, and they were really strict about them too. And to think that I thought that flying couldn't get any worse.

    Maybe this is because some people seem to think a 50 lb full size suitcase that takes up 3/4 of a bin and only fits sideways coutns as "carry on."

    Don't get me wrong, I laugh at the impractical size of the tiny "official" bin that your carry on is supposed to fit in (which everyone ignores, but some people try and take it so far to the other extreme that I sometimes wish the attendant would call some people on their space-hogging bullshit rather than delay the flight trying to help them find some empty bin way in the back, because I'm sure there is space on this overbooked flight for the last persons leviathan luggage.

    /rant
    Nah, they were looking for carry-ons there were about a half-inch over the limit so they could charge the seventy dollars or whatever to check them. And I forgot to mention that this was at a layover; for some reason they didn't care for the first leg of the flight.

    I'm already being subjected to idiotic security regulations (let's live in perpetual fear of shoelaces, that'll show the terrorists!) and being crammed into coach with no food or anything, and now you're making your flight attendants act all overzealous? Fuck that.

    Needless to say, never flying that airline (Virgin) again.

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I actually love flying.. It's just the tediousness and stress of the airports that I don't like. I actually enjoy putting myself into a situation where all I can do is sit, and read a book, watch a movie, listen to music, talk to my travel mate(s), etc... As well there's the anticipation of your destination.

    My next flights will probably be a a series of flights to Australia, New Zealand, and Fiji. I'm actually dreading THAT much time on a plane, to some extent. 7 hours from Toronto to London or vice versa is fine when you factor in :

    - 1 hour of that is taking off/landing (aka reading time since no electronics are allowed)
    - usually there's at least ONE good in flight movie which lasts 90-120 minutes (1.5-2 hours)
    - I bring my mp3/video player along and purposely don't watch my tv shows for a couple days (2-3 hours)
    - I do more reading since I like to mix things up (1 hour)
    - I love doing Sudoku/Kakuro puzzles as well (1 hour)

    Add in a few bathroom breaks (even when I don't really need to, just wanna get up a stretch), and it's easy. Doing that for 20 hours.... It's gonna be tough to stretch things out. I'd like to get a plane that has an AC adapter and have the option of playing on my fiance's laptop for most of that time.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Curiously enough, Aeroflot's flight attendants are the only ones who even vaguely resemble modern day ones.

    Khrushchev was right. In this case, they are the future.

    I used to fly a great deal. Before I settled down in the US, anyway. Which might be good, because I'm hearing more and more American commercial pilots, and probably pilots from other countries, are being forced to rely on things like food stamps now in extreme situations...

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    It doesn't help that, as a whole, we've all become a lot less courteous towards strangers. When the guy in front of me cranks his seat all the way back so that his head is literally about one foot from my face, there's really no reason for that besides he has made a decision that his comfort is more important than mine. I file this in the same category of people who barge through doorways when someone else is trying to get through, or people who take 20 items through the 10-item-or-less line. Many of the issues I have with air travel really have nothing to do with the service itself, and more to do with the general asshole-ification of America.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I love to fly, any aircraft is good with me. I've flown gliders and two-seaters. Most recently I flew a T-6 Texan for an hour of aerobatics. I gained a whole hell of a lot of respect for WWII fliers that day.

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I used to love flying, then all the companies started cutting costs and trying to increase profits over experience with only decreases in quality. Now i appreciate different airlines for different reasons, Jetblue for a good old romantic feel (when the plane is in the air anyway, not that shit that happened last year), Southwest for its friendly staff, and international flights for their attempts at comfort. But like today's video game companies/baseball stadiums/cars, those experiences are few and far between these days.

    What i suddenly gained a new romantic appreciation for is travel by long distance rail. Sure its cheap and usually shoddy, but some of the older ones are very fun. Also in today's fast world there is something to be said for a slower trip where you can look out the window and actually see things pass by. Sometime in my life i want to go across Australia in a train (if its comfortable at least) and take the trans Siberian. The whole notion of even the dullness of that in my life today seems relaxing. Some overnight trains in Europe have this, but they cost a ton.

    And yea, romantic is synonymous with exclusive, but its nice to do exclusive once in a blue moon.

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    edited October 2009
    saint2e wrote: »
    It's just the tediousness and stress of the airports that I don't like. I actually enjoy putting myself into a situation where all I can do is sit, and read a book, watch a movie, listen to music, talk to my travel mate(s), etc... As well there's the anticipation of your destination.

    Yeah, flying itself isn't too bad, especially if you fly an airline that at least makes a token effort to make you comfortable (which, from my experience, means either JetBlue or Virgin America).

    The TSA can eat a fat dick, though. I can't stand those fucking people.

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  • TK-42-1TK-42-1 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    saint2e wrote: »
    It's just the tediousness and stress of the airports that I don't like. I actually enjoy putting myself into a situation where all I can do is sit, and read a book, watch a movie, listen to music, talk to my travel mate(s), etc... As well there's the anticipation of your destination.

    Yeah, flying itself isn't too bad, especially if you fly an airline that at least makes a token effort to make you comfortable (which, from my experience, means either JetBlue or Virgin America).

    The TSA can eat a fat dick, though. I can't stand those fucking people.

    they fall into the same category as cops. Either idiots on a powertrip or normal helpful people. For example, I normally dont have a problem with them because I figured out how to do things to not annoy them or myself. Such as emptying your pockets into your carryon before you get to the security gate. Just throw your bag and your shoes in there and walk through. The backpack I take on business flights has a lot of, i dunno, tassles and whatnot coming off it that would half the time get stuck in something in the xray machine. So in order to avoid this I would put it in a bin to keep all the loose ends out of the way. Last time I flew I did this like i had done the last dozen or so times and the guy at the machine starts giving me all this guff about it. When it's obvious im not listening to him he starts to get even more belligerent and makes me basically do the entire rigamarole again. Im sure if he could have he would have sent me to the back of the line. (there was no line. business class lines are so worth the money)

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  • firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    For awhile, you didn't even need a high school diploma to work for the TSA.

    Anyway, I make a pretty big distinction between "flying" and "traveling." Flying, for me, is going up in a glider, Cessna (or something similar), or heli in order to see the world from a different perspective. I've had a few scenic glider rides, which were awesome, been up in a few Cessnas and King Airs for skydives, and done the heli trip around Kauia - which blew my mind!

    Whereas traveling for me involves waiting in line at security, waiting in a departure lounge, waiting in a cramped seat surrounded by the smelly/sick/morbidly obese/et cetera. I can't stand it.

    That said, I make a trip down to New Zealand every year or so, and having a family friend that works in the crew scheduling department of Air NZ makes the trip much, much better.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    My mom works as a flight attendant for Continental Airlines, which means we fly for free if we're cool with standby. We're all pretty much sick of airplanes and now and then even opt for taking a long road trip over going through the bullshit of waking up at three AM to get to the airport only to find that our flight is now oversold and now we get to sit in the airport until that night.

    Still, it's a perk I'm glad we have access too. It's not something I really take advantage of because of the aforementioned hassle, but it's nice knowing that I could fly home for the weekend.

    Also I am going to school for Air Traffic, and the Controlling Thereof, so hey!

    Also also, my uncle used to be head of the air traffic controller's union and is currently running for president of the FAA.

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  • ProPatriaMoriProPatriaMori Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I just got back from the Reklaw fly in this past weekend. I think the estimate was around 350 general aviation aircraft, all at this one grass strip over toward Nacogdoches (where Texas starts getting pine foresty). I wasn't current to fly at the time (and hadn't slept well enough anyway) but went along with some good friends and it was enormous fun. I've never been in such a busy pattern before, or such a...well, lax one. At times we had three concentric patterns going to cover different speeds of aircraft. A helicopter might've been in a fourth on the other side of the field, too.

    Our club took some photos, though they don't really communicate how busy things were. At some points there were probably planes going down that runway at 30 second intervals for several continuous minutes--making it quite entertaining to use the pedestrian path between the campsite on one side of the runway and the hangar-turned-cafeteria on the other.

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Same topic, but, does anyone else really like flying but hates certain heights of flying? Like for me i am fine with take off, cruising altitude i am fine with when i can see the ground but not when it cannot or if its over the ocean, but i really have problems with landing these days for some reason.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I dislike the few seconds of landing where all wheels are down, but the plane kind of swerves a little as you go down the runway. Only happens for a moment, but I sometimes get the feeling that we'll swerve wildly to one side and roll many, many times in a spectacular fireball.

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  • jeddy leejeddy lee Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Being that I live in an area of Alaska that has no roads to neighboring cities, I have to fly a lot. And I love it. That's all I really got.

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  • ProPatriaMoriProPatriaMori Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Barcardi wrote: »
    Same topic, but, does anyone else really like flying but hates certain heights of flying? Like for me i am fine with take off, cruising altitude i am fine with when i can see the ground but not when it cannot or if its over the ocean, but i really have problems with landing these days for some reason.

    I occasionally get mild vertigo if I'm leaning back a lot--either the plane is pitched up or the seat is tilted. It was a real pain in the ass for a while because one of the places I was flying at had rental aircraft where the seatbacks were pretty well broken.

    Not enough to disorient me or anything, so it wasn't ever unsafe to fly, but I was afraid of stalling the plane for a good while.

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    The most nervous I've ever really been on an airplane is on ScotAirways. They fly propjobs from London City airport to Dundee, Scotland. One time I sat right next to where the propeller was situated. I had to close the window, but I could STILL HEAR IT THERE.

    I dunno why, but being a few feet from 3 blades whirling at high speeds really freaked me out.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    saint2e wrote: »
    The most nervous I've ever really been on an airplane is on ScotAirways. They fly propjobs from London City airport to Dundee, Scotland. One time I sat right next to where the propeller was situated. I had to close the window, but I could STILL HEAR IT THERE.

    I dunno why, but being a few feet from 3 blades whirling at high speeds really freaked me out.

    Yeah, puddlejumpers are an experience in themselves. Though lately I haven't seen many of the old prop puddlejumpers like the Dash 80 - a lot of regional carriers are moving to the Canadair Regional Jet.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Barcardi wrote: »
    What i suddenly gained a new romantic appreciation for is travel by long distance rail. Sure its cheap and usually shoddy, but some of the older ones are very fun.

    This.

    Also it probably varies pretty dramatically by region, but the Virgin Pendolino services are very deliberately modelled on the experience of flying, and they do it better than most standard class airlines.

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  • ProPatriaMoriProPatriaMori Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    saint2e wrote: »
    The most nervous I've ever really been on an airplane is on ScotAirways. They fly propjobs from London City airport to Dundee, Scotland. One time I sat right next to where the propeller was situated. I had to close the window, but I could STILL HEAR IT THERE.

    I dunno why, but being a few feet from 3 blades whirling at high speeds really freaked me out.

    Ha! You know what's even freakier? Seeing them stop. Then start again!

    Multiengine training was fun.

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  • SoyduckSoyduck Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    This is such a cool thread .. I totally agree with you about the majesty of flying! I had never been on an airplane until I was 19. My family flew to Florida and I thought I was going to be scared sh*tless ... I fell in love with it, right there. This year I was lucky enough to fly to Honolulu, HI and Orlando, FL. The Florida flights were ho-hum, but there was such a crazy feeling when we were over the Pacific ... like, this technology is so awesome. I love being at the airport, doing airport-style activities (even layovers were fun), getting situated, and when I flew alone from Florida, I talked to a really cool older gentleman the whole time. *sigh* Could reminisce about that for a while. If I were single, I'd love to be a stewardess ... yes, STEWARDESS 8-) I don't care if it's not PC!

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  • jeddy leejeddy lee Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    japan wrote: »
    Barcardi wrote: »
    What i suddenly gained a new romantic appreciation for is travel by long distance rail. Sure its cheap and usually shoddy, but some of the older ones are very fun.

    This.

    Also it probably varies pretty dramatically by region, but the Virgin Pendolino services are very deliberately modelled on the experience of flying, and they do it better than most standard class airlines.

    I think if I were on a long distance train I'd feel like I were on Hogwartz Express, and would not be able ot take anything seriously.

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    Bayonetta
    Fable 3

    DS
    FF: 4 heroes of light
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