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Frosty the Snow PlowFrosty the Snow Plow Registered User regular
edited November 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
So, we got a new dog. It's sweet. Otherwise well-behaved and pretty damn cute Daschund. She's rad.

Except for one. Moist. Thing.

It's a year and a half old and lived in a kennel until now. She pees way more often and seems to love water a hell of a lot more than my other dog. I walk her twice a day but she never bothers to give it a go when we do, but that could just be because everything is new and she's more interested in looking around.

I think I know the drill in getting her scheduled and to be patient with her, but the sheer volume of puddles in the two days sent me here. I mean goddamn.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Your first problem is that a Daschund needs to be walked every two hours.
    They have tiny bladders. Also, she is low to the ground, so it will be really hard to catch her when she goes.
    Walk her as much as you can...

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  • ihmmyihmmy Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    praise her every time she pees outside
    scold her every time you see her peeing inside
    lay down some pee pads in case she at least starts aiming for those rather than any old place

    repeat, repeat, repeat

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    when she pees inside, scold her and throw her outside for a while

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    umm. i wouldn't worry about it. It is just adjusting to a new place. a lot of new dogs despite being house-broken relapse when going to a new home since well its anxiety, a new place and you still haven't picked up its signals yet.

    don't scold your dog unless you actually see it peeing inside, then yell and put him outside to finish.

    we only walk our dog twice a day but if i am home she gets let out to just pee a couple times. but there is no reaosn an adult dog shouldn't be able to hold it that long. for the time being get it out more often

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  • Frosty the Snow PlowFrosty the Snow Plow Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Your first problem is that a Daschund needs to be walked every two hours.
    They have tiny bladders. Also, she is low to the ground, so it will be really hard to catch her when she goes.
    Walk her as much as you can...

    Every two hours? I mean I've considered that 2 times is definitely not enough but-

    Well here's where it gets weird then. My other dog is a Daschund too, almost half the weight of the new dog (Here's a wiki pic that pretty closely matches the size difference), and she has peed twice a day since we adopted her. Granted, that could say more about her than all Daschunds.

    But...really? Two hours? What?

    edit: I think it's also appropriate for context to mention that with the old Daschund, I've given her many chances to go outside in a single day and pee. We didn't just decide on twice a day and wing it.

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  • BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    You think every two hours is really too often? He isn't a Daschund, but while my dog is capable of going outside only twice a day he'll happily relieve himself each time if I walk him every two or three hours. He also won't up and go piss/shit in the house. He'll beg for your attention, whine, and go to the door and sit there if he needs to go out. I just let him tell me when he has business to attend to.

    If you want to see if the new dog can handle the twice-a-day schedule you should be walking her frequently and gradually increasing the time between walks.

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  • Frosty the Snow PlowFrosty the Snow Plow Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Barrakketh wrote: »
    If you want to see if the new dog can handle the twice-a-day schedule you should be walking her frequently and gradually increasing the time between walks.

    Sounds like a plan.

    I'm definitely not worried about going more than twice a day but every 2 hours is a lot. Time to conscript my useless flatmate to do something useful for once.

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  • KistraKistra Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Your first problem is that a Daschund needs to be walked every two hours.
    They have tiny bladders. Also, she is low to the ground, so it will be really hard to catch her when she goes.
    Walk her as much as you can...

    Every two hours? I mean I've considered that 2 times is definitely not enough but-

    Well here's where it gets weird then. My other dog is a Daschund too, almost half the weight of the new dog (Here's a wiki pic that pretty closely matches the size difference), and she has peed twice a day since we adopted her. Granted, that could say more about her than all Daschunds.

    But...really? Two hours? What?

    edit: I think it's also appropriate for context to mention that with the old Daschund, I've given her many chances to go outside in a single day and pee. We didn't just decide on twice a day and wing it.

    Even if eventually your new dog will be okay with twice a day walks she probably needs much much more frequent walks right now.

    Obviously your first dog doesn't react to stress this way, but it isn't uncommon for dogs to drink and pee a lot more than normal when they are stressed. Also have you gotten her to the vet yet? UTIs are not uncommon in female dogs and are more common in stressed dogs and also can cause a dog to pee all the time.

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  • PrimePrime UKRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Having just had our 10th dry day in a row i'll let you know what we did as that seems to be working on our 6 month old lab.

    Those puppy pad things, we put ours near the back door. Everytime the dog started/was doing/had just finished to do its thing we would pick him up and put him on the mat. After a few weeks he got the hint, a bit of praise and a small treat made him do it more on the mat.

    Next stage we started when he was always going on the mat. Everytime the dog started/was doing/had just finished its thing we would pick him up and put him outside. After a few weeks he got the hint and praise and a small treat made him do it more outside.

    He doesnt let us know when he needs to go yet but he now holds himself until we put him outside so if he goes on the floor its our own fault for not letting him out often enough.

    It took us about 6-7 weeks to be at this stage but the sooner you get it the sooner you have to stop cleaning up! Mine doesnt go while on walks either yet but we keep a pocket of treats in the dog walking coat for when he does his first. We seem to have more progress using the carrot rather then the stick. Hopefully some of that helped, Best of luck :^:

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  • NailbunnyPDNailbunnyPD Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Here's a site with two guides for House Training: http://www.treetopsrescue.org/info/display?PageID=4005

    First, you need to get that dog out more often than twice a day. Imagine holding your excrement for ~12 hours at a time. Then imagine your bladder being the size of a walnut. The dog needs to go out every 2-3 hours when you are around. The dog needs to go out shortly after eating or drinking a good amount of water.

    Second, adopt a command that you will use to condition the dog to go on demand. We use "get busy." Say the command the minute the dog starts to go, and then praise them. This will start to condition the dog to go when you are outside and say the command. Stay outside until the dog does its business, praise, and then come in for treats and playtime. You could even keep training treats on you for praising after "getting busy." Don't give up and come in early.

    Since the dog is no longer a puppy, it will be difficult to train, but absolutely not impossible. It just takes patience and persistence.

    Personally, I am against pee pads. I think they encourage your dog to go inside, even if its conditional to a specific spot. When you are house training, it seems counterproductive.

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  • t_catt11t_catt11 Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Daschunds are cool little dogs, but have a reputation for being one of the most difficult breeds to housebreak. Good luck.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    i would stay away from pee pads. why train him to use something so that you can then break them of the habit and train something else.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    when she pees inside, scold her and throw her outside for a while

    yeah, worst. advice. ever.

    i seriously wish i could smack people through the internet sometimes... you see, humans understand why they're getting smacked. dogs will just think you're mean for no reason and learn to fear you for.

    remove her ability to drink constantly (i.e. remove the water bowl)... let her drink small amounts a short while before the walk and then walk until she goes to the bathroom... praise her and stuff her mouth with delicious things when she finally goes... do not provide water right before long periods of alone time (before bed time, or before leaving for work, etc.)

    repeat until she gets it.. it won't take long

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  • SkyCaptainSkyCaptain IndianaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/housebreaking.htm

    There's a good link to some good info on housebreaking dogs.

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  • Frosty the Snow PlowFrosty the Snow Plow Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    You guys are awesome. Thanks. :) Served me a lot better than Google.

    Did 3 walks today plus just going in the front yard for a piss inbetween. New dog caught right on, like, for real. Not a single puddle compared to like the 4 yesterday. Old dog was confused but hopefully she'll enjoy the opportunity to pee more.

    I figure 3 walks and 3 breaks should be fine. If it's not enough, please call me out on it.

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  • KistraKistra Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    You guys are awesome. Thanks. :) Served me a lot better than Google.

    Did 3 walks today plus just going in the front yard for a piss inbetween. New dog caught right on, like, for real. Not a single puddle compared to like the 4 yesterday. Old dog was confused but hopefully she'll enjoy the opportunity to pee more.

    I figure 3 walks and 3 breaks should be fine. If it's not enough, please call me out on it.

    If it is working it is enough :P

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    illig wrote: »
    when she pees inside, scold her and throw her outside for a while

    yeah, worst. advice. ever.

    i seriously wish i could smack people through the internet sometimes... you see, humans understand why they're getting smacked. dogs will just think you're mean for no reason and learn to fear you for.

    remove her ability to drink constantly (i.e. remove the water bowl)... let her drink small amounts a short while before the walk and then walk until she goes to the bathroom... praise her and stuff her mouth with delicious things when she finally goes... do not provide water right before long periods of alone time (before bed time, or before leaving for work, etc.)

    repeat until she gets it.. it won't take long

    I don't mean smack the dog, I just mean show it the puddle, say bad dog, baaaaad dog, then put it outside for half an hour.

    As for water, not, water should always be accessible, to all forms of life within your home

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  • KistraKistra Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    illig wrote: »
    when she pees inside, scold her and throw her outside for a while

    yeah, worst. advice. ever.

    i seriously wish i could smack people through the internet sometimes... you see, humans understand why they're getting smacked. dogs will just think you're mean for no reason and learn to fear you for.

    remove her ability to drink constantly (i.e. remove the water bowl)... let her drink small amounts a short while before the walk and then walk until she goes to the bathroom... praise her and stuff her mouth with delicious things when she finally goes... do not provide water right before long periods of alone time (before bed time, or before leaving for work, etc.)

    repeat until she gets it.. it won't take long

    I don't mean smack the dog, I just mean show it the puddle, say bad dog, baaaaad dog, then put it outside for half an hour.

    As for water, not, water should always be accessible, to all forms of life within your home

    And what exactly is that supposed to communicate to the dog?

    Even the people that advocate including punishment in housetraining only do it when you actually catch the dog in the act.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    illig wrote: »
    when she pees inside, scold her and throw her outside for a while

    yeah, worst. advice. ever.

    i seriously wish i could smack people through the internet sometimes... you see, humans understand why they're getting smacked. dogs will just think you're mean for no reason and learn to fear you for.

    remove her ability to drink constantly (i.e. remove the water bowl)... let her drink small amounts a short while before the walk and then walk until she goes to the bathroom... praise her and stuff her mouth with delicious things when she finally goes... do not provide water right before long periods of alone time (before bed time, or before leaving for work, etc.)

    repeat until she gets it.. it won't take long

    I don't mean smack the dog, I just mean show it the puddle, say bad dog, baaaaad dog, then put it outside for half an hour.

    As for water, not, water should always be accessible, to all forms of life within your home

    see that? more red... b/c you're wrong

    what makes you think a dog will understand and connect the puddle to something he did wrong? they're not human... their brains work completely differently.

    and no... water should be limited during housebreaking. just like food.... once the dog is housebroken, constant water supply can be brought back in

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  • SkyCaptainSkyCaptain IndianaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    illig wrote: »
    when she pees inside, scold her and throw her outside for a while

    yeah, worst. advice. ever.

    i seriously wish i could smack people through the internet sometimes... you see, humans understand why they're getting smacked. dogs will just think you're mean for no reason and learn to fear you for.

    remove her ability to drink constantly (i.e. remove the water bowl)... let her drink small amounts a short while before the walk and then walk until she goes to the bathroom... praise her and stuff her mouth with delicious things when she finally goes... do not provide water right before long periods of alone time (before bed time, or before leaving for work, etc.)

    repeat until she gets it.. it won't take long

    I don't mean smack the dog, I just mean show it the puddle, say bad dog, baaaaad dog, then put it outside for half an hour.

    As for water, not, water should always be accessible, to all forms of life within your home
    DO NOT DO THIS. The dog will not understand why you're scolding them. They will think you're mad at the mess, not the act that created the mess. So they will start to shit and piss in hidden places to hide the mess from you since that makes you upset.

    If you're not going to do a modicum of research, you shouldn't be giving any advice.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    illig wrote: »
    see that? more red... b/c you're wrong

    what makes you think a dog will understand and connect the puddle to something he did wrong? they're not human... their brains work completely differently.

    and no... water should be limited during housebreaking. just like food.... once the dog is housebroken, constant water supply can be brought back in
    well i would disagree with limited water during the day. it won't be as effective as regularly potty breaks. sure pull it after 8 but not during the day

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  • NateVaderNateVader Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Any advice on a dog that sneaks away to unoccupied rooms and does their business there? It makes it difficult to do any corrective training when it's happened 30-60 minutes before you notice anything. Usually he's good, and most of the time will sit at the top of the stairs when he needs to go, but sometimes I don't notice. (This is referring to a 6 month old beagle btw)

    I try to keep him nearby me but I don't want to have to contain him to a 12 foot radius of me whenever I'm home. I'm not sure how to ensure he'll cooperate unsupervised.

    He gets taken out usually every 2 hours or so, so I don't think frequency of walks is an issue.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    shut the doors? when our dog was a puppy we kept her in teh kitchen when we left the house. we used baby gates, and by gates i mean two stacked on top of each other since she could jump over one

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  • SkyGheNeSkyGheNe Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Dachshunds are pretty intelligent - my brother trained ours to ring a bell every time she needed to pee. It's pretty funny actually. Took about a solid month of training but it can be accomplished.

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  • KistraKistra Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    NateVader wrote: »
    Any advice on a dog that sneaks away to unoccupied rooms and does their business there? It makes it difficult to do any corrective training when it's happened 30-60 minutes before you notice anything. Usually he's good, and most of the time will sit at the top of the stairs when he needs to go, but sometimes I don't notice. (This is referring to a 6 month old beagle btw)

    I try to keep him nearby me but I don't want to have to contain him to a 12 foot radius of me whenever I'm home. I'm not sure how to ensure he'll cooperate unsupervised.

    He gets taken out usually every 2 hours or so, so I don't think frequency of walks is an issue.

    You can't ensure cooperation if he is unsupervised.

    Why don't you want to keep him near you? If he is only 6 months he is still learning. Tethering him (attach a leash to a belt loop works really well for young dogs because they tend to get restless when they need to potty and you will notice that through the leash even if you aren't paying much attention to him.

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Give dogs more credit

    You don't need complicated tricks to train a dog, just give them the idea that pee in the house = bad, pee in the backyard = goooood.

    I have had at least 2 dogs at any time throughout my entire life

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    training is all about being consistent. most dogs have OCD

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