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WTF Spawn?

DoctorErebusDoctorErebus Registered User regular
edited January 2007 in Graphic Violence
Let's begin with full disclosure. Back in high school, I was unaware that Todd McFarlane was a bloodless hack. So I misspent an awful lot of money reading Spawn. Around issue #50, it hit me that I was wasting $1.95 a month, so I stopped. But every now and again, I'd get curious as to what old Al Simmons was up to. Since it always seemed the same superhero boilerplate shot through some crazy Canadian Heavy Metal prism, i never picked the book back up.

But I heard that issue #163 was the last one. So I gave it a read, and I'm quite confused. Is the series over or not? I saw that issue #164 is on the way, but I can't make heads or tails of the book's intentions. All spawn.com wished to provide me was action figure ads. Just what's the deal with this title?

So if there are any McFarlane fans more loyal than I available to shed some light on this quandry, I would be most grateful. Outside of discovering that Tony Harris drew thirty or so issues, I doubt I'll ever go digging for back issues to piece the story and the future of the book together. But at the same time, I'm quite curious as to what's been going on in the book that once dominated the industry.

Bonus points for sorting out this whole "Man of Miracles" business round about issue #150.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I just looked at the end on Wiki..


    Oh my god

    That sounds horrible.

    Like, "let's ignore half the cast and anything present in the themes of the book" horrible.

    Christ.

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  • DraXXXenDraXXXen Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    umm....ooookay. That is abit much.

    Just read the ending spoilers...I guess at this point in the series the writers don't care about anything other then making sure that Spawn wins all fanboy internet VS rants for the next century. Seriously...what??!!?

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I don't get it. From what I've read on Wikipedia everything sounds relatively fine and logical (comic book speaking of course).

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Now, I like Spawn, but this whole Armageddon arc is grating even on my nerves. I thought it might be promising at first, but it's obvious that some writer just decided to totally derail everything that had been happening in the comics up to that point and tell his own fucked-up story, and it's rapidly looking like things will soon resolve themselves in a way that leaves everything exactly the same way it was before Armageddon started, and once again Spawn will be back to square one - sitting in an alley somewhere bemoaning his wretched fate. The same Spawn story since issue 1 that's been repeating over and over again for years.

    But, just cuz you asked, here's the deal with the Man of Miracles:

    [spoiler:54a908f6f3]The Man of Miracles is the real creator of the universe and everything in it. He's really an androgynous being known as Mother, or 'MoM', who has supreme power over all things. MoM created hundreds of worlds and put hundreds of her children in charge of them, and finally created Earth and put God and Satan on it to rule together. Instead, they started fighting one another. In order to resolve things, MoM removes them both temporarily from their respective kingdoms and schemes to turn Spawn into a new deity to rule the Earth, as he embodies the potential of what mankind can become when given the chance.

    Personally, I find the idea that God and Satan, the forces that have been locked in cosmic combat since issue 1, are nothing more than unruly children utterly disappointing. The idea that the Hell we've been shown in the books, a realm that's more metaphysical that real, a vast layered wasteland of seething misery and despair incomprehensible to humankind, is basically a crib to some tantrum-throwing child is a real blow. Sometimes I don't know why I bother with this book reall, *sniff*, when it can't even treat me half-way decently...[/spoiler:54a908f6f3]

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    From Wiki:
    Spawn has vast magical powers. In the issues before issue #50, Spawn had a limited power supply or "9999".


    Oh my god. It's OVER 9000!!!

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Is this [spoiler:e15ed03812]spawn destroying all of humanity, the earth, and himself[/spoiler:e15ed03812] stuff true?

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    Todd McFarlane repeated plans for the "Torso" movie, the new "Spawn" animation, and the live-action "Spawn" film he plans to finance, write, produce and direct himself by the end of the year for less than $10 million. The film was inspired by "Crash," which McFarlane says made a huge impact on him and shows you can make a successful film for less than $10 million

    lollin on line over here

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  • Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Servo wrote:
    Todd McFarlane repeated plans for the "Torso" movie, the new "Spawn" animation, and the live-action "Spawn" film he plans to finance, write, produce and direct himself by the end of the year for less than $10 million. The film was inspired by "Crash," which McFarlane says made a huge impact on him and shows you can make a successful film for less than $10 million

    lollin on line over here

    Unless the $10 mil is going towards the Sam and Twitch movie, I don't know what the hell he would be thinking.

    The first movie had a $40,000,000 budget, and well, remember the first one?

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    my problem is just his weird, stunted view of good and evil


    i remember watching one of those 'greatest comic book characters' list things on like a&e and mcfarlane described spawn as 'batman if batman wasn't owned by the big corporations...if you hurt women or children he will cut your head off'


    edit- i mean, come on, he liked crash

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Is this [spoiler:bfd412c002]spawn destroying all of humanity, the earth, and himself[/spoiler:bfd412c002] stuff true?

    Yes.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Hensler wrote:
    Is this [spoiler:19a0821f7d]spawn destroying all of humanity, the earth, and himself[/spoiler:19a0821f7d] stuff true?

    Yes.

    Just got the most recent issue and:

    [spoiler:19a0821f7d]Yep, everything got undone and is back to normal now. And Spawn's human again, going to go and win Wanda back, etc. This is like the 3rd time that's happened too. They've got at least another 4 issues planned though and the Clown is in them, so this can't really be the end of things.[/spoiler:19a0821f7d]

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Might want to fix that spoiler tag.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    A little piece of me died when I saw that Spawn is still selling like, 20,000 copies per issue. Urrrrgh.

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  • TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2007
    Image, outside of a handful of titles, is a total and utter abortion. How this company is still making comics is beyond me. Of all the companies that deserved to be sucked into the industry-collapsing black hole, Image had to have topped that list.

    Does Spawn even have a story, or is it just a monthly design forum for action figures?

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Aw c'mon, Image pumps out a lot of quality shit each month. If you want a comic that isn't about superheroes smashing each other in the face with cars, but don't want a comic about two bisexual asian/indian teenage girls that must explore the depths of their sexuality and friendship in the face of bigotry and racism, Image is your best bet. They get points for giving upcoming talent a place to get noticed if nothing else.

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  • hughtronhughtron __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2007
    Terrorbyte wrote:
    Image, outside of a handful of titles, is a total and utter abortion. How this company is still making comics is beyond me. Of all the companies that deserved to be sucked into the industry-collapsing black hole, Image had to have topped that list.

    Does Spawn even have a story, or is it just a monthly design forum for action figures?
    Dude, Image has pretty successfully moved beyond their awful early nineties trappings.

    I mean, they're publishing Phonogram, Casanova, Pirates of Coney Island, Girls, Cross Bronx, Fell, Fear Agent, Hysteria, Walking Dead, they put out the first two volumes of Flight, the Five Fists of Science TPB, and more, I'm sure. They're approaching Vertigo in terms of being a creator-owned haven.

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  • hughtronhughtron __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2007
    Looking at that list, pretty much all of my favorite comics of the last year that aren't All-Star Superman were published by Image.

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  • TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2007
    hughtron wrote:
    Looking at that list, pretty much all of my favorite comics of the last year that aren't All-Star Superman were published by Image.

    The only book that I even kinda-sorta like in that snapshot list is Fell, and I was never a huge fan of the series despite being an Ellis fan. But, you do have a point. I guess I didn't notice that Image was actually publishing those titles. Kind of like how I forgot that Wildstorm was a separate imprint way back before they started making a big deal about the WSU. I guess I'm just dumb that way.

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Terrorbyte wrote:
    Image, outside of a handful of titles, is a total and utter abortion. How this company is still making comics is beyond me. Of all the companies that deserved to be sucked into the industry-collapsing black hole, Image had to have topped that list.

    Does Spawn even have a story, or is it just a monthly design forum for action figures?

    Wow. You guys should really stop comparing me to this guy.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Servo wrote:
    my problem is just his weird, stunted view of good and evil


    i remember watching one of those 'greatest comic book characters' list things on like a&e and mcfarlane described spawn as 'batman if batman wasn't owned by the big corporations...if you hurt women or children he will cut your head off'


    edit- i mean, come on, he liked crash

    HAW! pretty stupid considering SPAWN is pretty much owned by a huge corporation

    SPAWN, now remember everything cool about Batman, take that away, and add a huge helping of suck.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Terrorbyte wrote:
    Image, outside of a handful of titles, is a total and utter abortion. How this company is still making comics is beyond me. Of all the companies that deserved to be sucked into the industry-collapsing black hole, Image had to have topped that list.

    Does Spawn even have a story, or is it just a monthly design forum for action figures?

    IMAGE puts out some real good comics. My personal favorites are GodLand, Invincible, and Walking Dead.

    IMAGE is also set up different than MARVEL and DC, meaning they don't have to sell huge numbers to make a profit or be able to pay the creative teams on the books.

    though I admit, SPAWN is one of the worst books I've ever read.

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  • DoctorErebusDoctorErebus Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Concerning Image - Remember how exciting it was back when that line first launched? I can't recall many specific stories now - likely a mercy of my memory - but I'll never forget the energy those books seemed to crackle with. But what's become of that original crew today?

    McFarlane - toymaker hack behaving just like Marvel did when he was calling them out. Silvestri - Licensed books and mashing manga into cyberforce. Liefeld - Living joke. Not even Alan Moore could save his storylines. Jim Lee - sold out to DC.

    I get the feeling I'm forgetting a couple. Jim Valentino is still tangentially involved with Shadowhawk. But the ONLY ONE of those original creators still living the Image dream is the mighty Erik Larsen. Back then, he declared he would write and draw 100+ issues of the Savage Dragon. And by gum. he's done it! In fact, he's taken over lettering the title as well. Soon as he learns to color, reckon that book'll be a one-man band.

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  • siliconenhancedsiliconenhanced __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2007
    but don't want a comic about two bisexual asian/indian teenage girls that must explore the depths of their sexuality and friendship in the face of bigotry and racism,

    Goddamn it, I want this. Where do I find it?!

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  • DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator mod
    edited January 2007
    I think Larsen actually has tried coloring a couple of the most recent issues. I sort of miss the "super-powered cop" era of Savage Dragon but I really respect what Larsen's done with the book.

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Yeah, Larsen is the man. I love the way that Savage Dragon is constantly evolving - it's a whole new book every 30 issues.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Back then, he declared he would write and draw 100+ issues of the Savage Dragon. And by gum. he's done it! In fact, he's taken over lettering the title as well. Soon as he learns to color, reckon that book'll be a one-man band.

    I actually heard a rumor that Larsen, following a meeting with Dave Sim where he was irked by the creator's arrogance and bad attitude, decided he would surpass Sim's 300 issue record that he's so proud of.

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Munch wrote:
    Back then, he declared he would write and draw 100+ issues of the Savage Dragon. And by gum. he's done it! In fact, he's taken over lettering the title as well. Soon as he learns to color, reckon that book'll be a one-man band.

    I actually heard a rumor that Larsen, following a meeting with Dave Sim where he was irked by the creator's arrogance and bad attitude, decided he would surpass Sim's 300 issue record that he's so proud of.

    Damn, I hope this is true. It'll take 40-50 more years at that current Dragon publishing rate, but I'd still enjoy it.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    but don't want a comic about two bisexual asian/indian teenage girls that must explore the depths of their sexuality and friendship in the face of bigotry and racism,

    Goddamn it, I want this. Where do I find it?!

    needs repeating

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Munch wrote:
    Back then, he declared he would write and draw 100+ issues of the Savage Dragon. And by gum. he's done it! In fact, he's taken over lettering the title as well. Soon as he learns to color, reckon that book'll be a one-man band.

    I actually heard a rumor that Larsen, following a meeting with Dave Sim where he was irked by the creator's arrogance and bad attitude, decided he would surpass Sim's 300 issue record that he's so proud of.

    I guess that would be cool, but Sim is so certifiably nuts, and has opinions on things so much more profoundly ugly than the importance of his comic, that doing so seems kinda pointless to me.

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  • LandoLando Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Algertman wrote:
    but don't want a comic about two bisexual asian/indian teenage girls that must explore the depths of their sexuality and friendship in the face of bigotry and racism,

    Goddamn it, I want this. Where do I find it?!

    needs repeating

    Gen13, if I remember correctly. I never really read any Image though; not the good stuff anyway

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Lando wrote:
    Gen13, if I remember correctly. I never really read any Image though; not the good stuff anyway

    I was actually just sort of being a dick about how a lot of the really indie titles tend to deal predominantly with issues of race/culture, or homosexuality/sexuality in general. I'm exagerrating a lot though.

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