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Just found out something horrible...

1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
edited December 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
...and yet, I don't know what it is. Am I in shock? Am I really that far removed from someone I thought was a friend?

Spoilered for explanation/long/getting off my chest
I went to a decent-sized commuter school in north Texas for my college. I stayed in the dorms on campus and since there weren't that many and it was a "private" dorm, roommates were hit or miss - either you got along, or you didn't. One year I was roomies with a guy we'll call Mike.

Mike came from an east Texas town (small city, I'd guess) and was very much a kindred spirit - into gaming/internet culture/pc modding even. Sort of an anomaly given how he should stereotypically behave (I was raised in east Texas too, so I knew what I *should* expect). Anyways.

He was pretty cool, but had some mood issues. He had a boyfriend named we'll call John and while their relationship was a little rocky, they worked pretty well together. Mike helped create and maintain the beginnings of a really epic little group on campus (revolved around gaming). In fact, he's the one who helped me come up with my current tag - my old one was, let's say, juvenile.

It's been a few years since I saw him last. He dropped out of school after a couple years because he became jaded with the schools programming degree program. He moved back home after a year staying afloat nearby and we've kept in sparse contact since (I have weird hours, his schedule never matched up either) but we talked occasionally.

Earlier this afternoon I got a call from a friend saying Mike killed himself last night. I guess the problem is, I feel bad, but I don't feel as sad or messed up as I think I should be. It doesn't feel real to me.

tldr: had a really cool roommate, kindred spirits, fell out of touch after a year or so. Read last line in spoiler to get full picture.

How should I deal with this? I have a girlfriend who knew him and spent some time hanging out with us in college while we were rooming together, we'll be talking after I get off work. But...it's almost like I feel guilty for not feeling quite as fucked up as I should?

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  • TK-42-1TK-42-1 Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Right now its just some words someone said. It'll hit you later. Dont fret about it youre not a bad person.

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  • MaLibuMaLibu Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    i had the same reaction when my high school bf killed himself. i was on the phone with him, and knew he did it. when my sister woke me up the next day to tell me that he was dead, i just simply said "i know." the next few days i didn't really feel much, but the emotions did come later on.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    There's a reason "denial" is the first step of the grieving process. What you're experiencing is perfectly normal; archetypal, even.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Alternatively, someone you hadn't talked to in a year and apparently didn't care all that much about killed himself. That is a tragedy, but it's not as though he was a part of your life so it isn't surprising that you wouldn't feel broken up about it.

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  • QuikzQuikz __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2009
    Don't be surprised if you never feel anything either.

    The fact of the matter is death is all around us my son. It will help to take solace in the fact that Mike took his own life, instead of having it violently or tragically taken away from him.

    If he wanted to end his life, then it should be his right to do so. He did nothing wrong, he did not go on a violent shooting spree and take down several others before ending his own life, he just decided to end peacefully.

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I don't feel like it was wrong of him or anything - I respect his choice and let's face it, he did have some mood/depression issues. I did talk to him on and off, but it was reliably. We were pretty good friends and he sounded normal the last time I spoke to him (2 weeks ago, in fact).

    The last time someone close to me died (my grandfather, 2 years ago January) I took it pretty hard, but I didn't outwardly show anything. I'm wondering if I've walled myself off too much? Maybe I'll see in a couple days or so :-/

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited December 2009
    My grandparents killed themselves.

    I completely and totally respect their decision. They were old. My grandmother was very ill. They didn't want to be apart for any amount of time. I don't feel sad that they did it, though it was terribly sad and still is that I'll never see them again.. they felt their lives were ready to end, and I respect that, and I seem to always surprise people with my cool-headed response to it.

    But.

    Even 6 years later, I am terribly, violently hurt that they didn't trust me enough to say goodbye. People always seem to find that a weird outlet for the emotion.

    Basically, whatever you feel or don't feel is fine. I don't know that joy is entirely appropriate here, but suicide is a very difficult thing to know how to deal with even when you aren't close. Don't beat yourself up about how you feel.

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  • MugaazMugaaz Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    The reason you don't feel bad he killed himself is the same reason you don't feel bad that right now someone is going to starve to death. NIMBY + Out of sight, out of mind.

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  • Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Mugaaz wrote: »
    The reason you don't feel bad he killed himself is the same reason you don't feel bad that right now someone is going to starve to death. NIMBY + Out of sight, out of mind.

    How can you be so wrong and so confident at the same time?
    About 4 years ago one of my best friends (kindred spirit story, helped me out of my depression, got me leaving the house and meeting people. changed my image of my self, I actually came out of a suicidal spiral I was in and thought i deserved to live after this guy) ended up getting struck and killed by a car on his way home from a bible study. The loss was one of the hardest things in my life. How did I feel when it first happened? I was crushed, delusional, incoherent just crying and screaming. How am I today? I still cry about it, you never get over it. The hard part is getting in to the grieving process. Your mind simply can't comprehend the thought of him being dead right now, it's an odd feeling. I still reach for my phone when I find something I think he'll like for his birthday. You just have to handle it one day at a time and let it come on as it does. Don't fight it or rush it.

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  • Rubix42Rubix42 Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Don't put too much thought into it. One of my best friends ever killed himself 2 years ago. Thinking about it right now is making me well up.

    My grandma died 3 weeks ago, thinking about that I feel nothing. Everytime someone in your life dies, you take it differently. Either hard or easy or something in between. Just try to be there for those in your life who also knew the person.

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  • AwkAwk Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    psychologically, your body will do things to defend itself. It is all natural.

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  • Richard_DastardlyRichard_Dastardly Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Dyscord wrote: »
    Alternatively, someone you hadn't talked to in a year and apparently didn't care all that much about killed himself. That is a tragedy, but it's not as though he was a part of your life so it isn't surprising that you wouldn't feel broken up about it.

    You can't really expect to feel epic emotions for every person who passes through your life. The dude's suicide was a tragedy, probably most deeply felt by those who actually close to him.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    Try not to beat yourself up over it.

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  • SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    It's an automatic defense mechanism. It's hard to predict what happens next, but for now, people enter "business mode" usually, focussing on what needs to be done.

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Thanks guys. I contacted his ex, who was the first one to hear about it, asked him to keep me in the loop for any memorial/funeral that might happen. I feel weird that I don't have contact info for his mom (I met her only a few times, but she was really great considering his mindset).

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Everybody grieves differently. Maybe you'll end up bawling your eyes out in a week, or six months down the road. Or not. Either is OK.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I was extremely close to my grandmother, and when she died (without saying goodbye), I felt absolutely nothing. I didn't even cry until the funeral. But you may never cry or feel bad about it. Death is a very weird thing that doesn't always hit you the way you expect it would.

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  • Captain VashCaptain Vash Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Everybody is different.

    I've got some stories, I've known a few suicides, and I've yet to be powerfully moved by anyone's death.

    It's not a bad thing, everyone just handles loss differently.

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  • MugaazMugaaz Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Mugaaz wrote: »
    The reason you don't feel bad he killed himself is the same reason you don't feel bad that right now someone is going to starve to death. NIMBY + Out of sight, out of mind.

    How can you be so wrong and so confident at the same time?
    About 4 years ago one of my best friends (kindred spirit story, helped me out of my depression, got me leaving the house and meeting people. changed my image of my self, I actually came out of a suicidal spiral I was in and thought i deserved to live after this guy) ended up getting struck and killed by a car on his way home from a bible study. The loss was one of the hardest things in my life. How did I feel when it first happened? I was crushed, delusional, incoherent just crying and screaming. How am I today? I still cry about it, you never get over it. The hard part is getting in to the grieving process. Your mind simply can't comprehend the thought of him being dead right now, it's an odd feeling. I still reach for my phone when I find something I think he'll like for his birthday. You just have to handle it one day at a time and let it come on as it does. Don't fight it or rush it.

    Because I don't think I am? You are talking about your best friend who changed your life and this guy is talking about a college roomate he liked hanging out with?

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  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    There's no right amount of grief. Even if you never really feel bad about this, that's not in itself a reason to start feeling bad. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that it "hits you" later on, but even if it doesn't, you don't owe this person your sadness.

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  • DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I think it's much more likely that you'll feel sad once you go
    to the memorial and see old faces and hear stories that trudge up memories about him. At this moment it sounds like he was pretty far removed from your daily life, your reaction sounds pretty appropriate.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Everyone reacts differently.

    A month back a good friend of mine from high school killed himself. I heard the news and was shocked, but I didn't grieve. The morning of the viewing I spent with my girlfriend and she was really tender and supportive, but I was still numb to it. Finally at the viewing, seeing his mom crying, is what set me off. And with some deaths in my life (there have been many) nothing ever 'set me off'.

    The amount of grieving that is healthy is the amount that you're comfortable with. Don't lie to yourself, don't have any external 'expectations' of how you 'should' feel... just be honest, and realize everyone reacts differently. There's nothing wrong with you if you're stalwart- or a basketcase.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Absolutely do not feel guilty. This is a guy that you were close with that you haven't seen in years. If you didn't hear the news you may have never given him another thought for the rest of your life.

    You're under no obligation to feel devastated by the passing of a person that you've downgraded to "facebook friend" status years ago.

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