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The Golden Age of Science Fiction.

MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
edited September 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
I have been reading "The Boat of a Million Years" by Poul Anderson lately. I have had the book in my possession for years and I have only just started reading it. It is not a quick read but it has gotten my interest up about Anderson and other works and authors of what is called the First Golden age of Sci-fi. Believed to have begun int he late 1930's and extended through the 50's, it was the era of pulp, the era of the first Space Opera, it was the era of John W. Campbell, and it was the era were many superstar writers of the genre came into being.

This wiki page is a good intro on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Science_Fiction

This era saw the introduction of Heinlein and Asimov, and the fabled "Three rules of Robotics," Something that practically every author with a robotic character has eluded to at least once.

How this era ended is a little hard to tell, as there are several different theories, including over-inflation of the pulps, and cancellation of much sci-fi on television

What, to you guys, stood out the most about this era? For me, it was the Foundation, Asimov's most legendary work (alongside the three laws), and E.E. "Doc" Smith's Lensmen, arguably the foundation of all Space opera fiction.

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  • smeejsmeej Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I've been wondering why "The Stars My Destination" has not become a movie yet.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited December 2009
    I am not familiar with either of these works. Maybe you could use this thread to actually discuss something? :)


    What would be considered the "Golden Age" of Science Fiction?

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  • MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Sorry, I accidently posted before finishing the post.

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  • juice for jesusjuice for jesus Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    A few months ago I picked up an old (like, published in the 70's) copy of a Clarke anthology. It consisted of two novellas and some short stories.

    One of the novellas was a "speculative fiction" type story about the first moon landing, written in the late 40's. His forward was really funny, pointing out just how far off his speculation was from reality. He had the mission being run by the Brits on a budget of a few million pounds, using an atomic engine, and launching from Australia. Pretty fun to read. Some of the short stories were really great, too.

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I'm holding out for the Diamond Age of science fiction.

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  • smeejsmeej Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    We should make a list of web-availible GA SF in the original post!

    Here's Black Destroyer by A. E. Van Vogt, one of the classics.

    http://www.webscription.net/chapters/0743498747/0743498747___5.htm

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Project Gutenberg has one of Damon Knight's works. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22560/22560-h/22560-h.htm

    Damon Knight was the first real Science Fiction reviewer to take a critical eye to works. His reviews of the a lot of the Golden Age works was collected in a book called In Search of Wonder. He also wrote a number of works in the period, although his best known work was a screenplay for the Twilight Zone called "To Serve Man". As an editor, he convinced Tom Chilton to publish Dune. The initial printing of Dune was met with lackluster sales and got Knight fired. He was the founding President of the SFWA. In 2002 the organization changed the title of the Grand Master Award to the Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I just re-read Ender's Game again for the first time since I was 7 years old. Fantastic. Also Philip K. Dick is great.

    I'm not sure if they count as "golden age" sci-fi off the top of my head, though.

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Doc Smith all the way. I'm almost done with Gray Lensman (I took a break after reading the first three books) and this stuff is what Space Opera is all about. Men who like their steak rare, shoot their DeLameter Blasters with deadly accuracy, keep a slide rule inside their Space Armor and swing a mean Space Axe when boarding those dastardly Boskonian mystery pirate vessels.

    Clear ether, Spaceman!

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I was a huge Heinlein fan as a kid, and while now I've outgrown some of the political beliefs he presented and have recognized where in his career he jumped the shark (The Number Of The Beast, of course), I still value most of his work quite highly. His characters were (mostly) actual characters, and unlike most of his contemporaries, he knew his goddamn science.

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  • MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Daedalus wrote: »
    I was a huge Heinlein fan as a kid, and while now I've outgrown some of the political beliefs he presented and have recognized where in his career he jumped the shark (The Number Of The Beast, of course), I still value most of his work quite highly. His characters were (mostly) actual characters, and unlike most of his contemporaries, he knew his goddamn science.

    I've tried to read Heinlein before, but the books i've tried to read...it's like he's obsessed with sex. Frankly, I found it a bit of a turn-off. I've considered trying some of hus juveniles though, most specifically Citizen of the Galaxy.

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  • CantideCantide Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Is this where I get to gush about Robert Sheckley? Amazing writer. His books are pretty good, but where he really shined was his short stories. He and Douglas Adams wrote in very similar styles, and Adams went on record that Sheckley was the better writer.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I absolutely adored I, Robot. The best part of the Golden Age, for me, is that computers were still huge and contained vacuum tubes.

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  • KupiKupi Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    My old place of work had a book swap, and I managed to read through Sheckley's The People Trap in my off minutes. That is some good sci-fi, I tell you what. Really influenced how I see the genre.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Clement was just my favorite as a kid.

    He basically wrote the world's most badass word problems. "Mission of Gravity" legitimately needs to be a movie. I want to see an adventure epic starring a 15-inch long ultrapede.

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  • themightypuckthemightypuck MontanaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    smeej wrote: »
    I've been wondering why "The Stars My Destination" has not become a movie yet.

    I wouldn't know who Alfred Bester was if not for reverse engineering Babylon 5.

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  • Witch_Hunter_84Witch_Hunter_84 Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I like the ongoing theme of Human v. Robot that is alluded to by almost all of the authors during this time. It's like they all met in secret to talk of the coming wars between man and machine. It's practically like the whole conflict is a forgone conclusion.

    Frank Herbert is still my favorite of the bunch. His far-into-the-future plots were always the most captivating to me.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    A Logic Named Joe

    Murry Leinster (William F Jenkins) was the Dean of Science Fiction. He predated Campbell, and actually managed to survive the transition. He gave us the idea of how to handle a first contact, the universal translator and the alternate timeline. In the collection I linked he describes a device called a logic. It can do math and science, as well as retrieving information, advice and entertainment from a central location via a series of tubes. Predicting the internet in 1946 isn't too shody.

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  • LindenLinden Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    A Logic Named Joe

    Murry Leinster (William F Jenkins) was the Dean of Science Fiction. He predated Campbell, and actually managed to survive the transition. He gave us the idea of how to handle a first contact, the universal translator and the alternate timeline. In the collection I linked he describes a device called a logic. It can do math and science, as well as retrieving information, advice and entertainment from a central location via a series of tubes. Predicting the internet in 1946 isn't too shody.

    Ted would have been about 23 at the time.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Matthew wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    I was a huge Heinlein fan as a kid, and while now I've outgrown some of the political beliefs he presented and have recognized where in his career he jumped the shark (The Number Of The Beast, of course), I still value most of his work quite highly. His characters were (mostly) actual characters, and unlike most of his contemporaries, he knew his goddamn science.

    I've tried to read Heinlein before, but the books i've tried to read...it's like he's obsessed with sex. Frankly, I found it a bit of a turn-off. I've considered trying some of hus juveniles though, most specifically Citizen of the Galaxy.

    Yeah, you're getting some of the stuff from his post-shark-jumping phase. Give The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress a try.

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  • PhantPhant Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Matthew wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    I was a huge Heinlein fan as a kid, and while now I've outgrown some of the political beliefs he presented and have recognized where in his career he jumped the shark (The Number Of The Beast, of course), I still value most of his work quite highly. His characters were (mostly) actual characters, and unlike most of his contemporaries, he knew his goddamn science.

    I've tried to read Heinlein before, but the books i've tried to read...it's like he's obsessed with sex. Frankly, I found it a bit of a turn-off. I've considered trying some of hus juveniles though, most specifically Citizen of the Galaxy.

    Yeah, you're getting some of the stuff from his post-shark-jumping phase. Give The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress a try.

    Yep, TMIAHM is by far one of my favorite Heinlein novels, and his weird obsession with sex(not that its weird to have some sex in a novel, but he really does go quite overboard later on) is nowhere to be found. Definitely one of his best works when his working of political ideas come into play.
    Profs question "When is it moral for the state to do what it is not moral for a individual to do" comes to mind here.
    Glory Road is pretty good too, if a bit more indulgent, but a fun mix of Sci-Fi and Conanesque adventure. He has plenty of short stories and such that are good(I'm still trying to visualize his concept of the 'Roads' that stretch between cities).

    Number of the beast is really a good example of a author who has slipped deeply into indulging himself. It happens to some of the best of them. Asimov succumbed to it a bit, but not nearly to the level Heinlein did.
    Any Lazarus Long story is indulgent, some more than others, but in the end its basically a wish-fulfillment character.

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  • KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    My dad gave me a pile of old pulp sci-fi many moons ago. One of them was a Paol Anderson book called 'Shield' - pretty good if you ignore the fact that humanoid martians don't exist.
    There was also 'Macroscope', 'The Witling', 'Plague of Demons'... pretty good stuff. There's plenty more but I can't recall them all offhand.

    'Plague of Demons' by Keith Laumer was particularly awesome in my opinion, especially because it went from 'Alien-invasion-conspiracy' to
    GIANT FUCKING ROBOT TANKS AND SHIT

    That was awesome.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    smeej wrote: »
    I've been wondering why "The Stars My Destination" has not become a movie yet.

    The horrible sociopath protagonist?

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Edmond Hamilton is pretty awesome. His StarWolf books have been among my favorites since I first encountered them in the eighties. He's one of Doc Smith's contemporaries and had the honor of writing the first hard cover science fiction short story collection.

    He writes big, cataclysmic space opera stuff with a dose of horror. He also did a lot of writing for Superman (one of which was Superman Under the Red Sun) and Batman.

    His StarWolf books are about a guy. He's like this Space Viking from the planet of Varna, a heavy gravity world. That means he's really strong and fast. He travels around with a bunch of mercenaries after getting kicked out of the StarWolf Space Viking club. He has awesome adventures. There are three books, total. The Weapon from Beyond, The Closed Worlds, and World of the StarWolves.

    "The stars whispered: Die, StarWolf! Die!"

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Phant wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Matthew wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    I was a huge Heinlein fan as a kid, and while now I've outgrown some of the political beliefs he presented and have recognized where in his career he jumped the shark (The Number Of The Beast, of course), I still value most of his work quite highly. His characters were (mostly) actual characters, and unlike most of his contemporaries, he knew his goddamn science.

    I've tried to read Heinlein before, but the books i've tried to read...it's like he's obsessed with sex. Frankly, I found it a bit of a turn-off. I've considered trying some of hus juveniles though, most specifically Citizen of the Galaxy.

    Yeah, you're getting some of the stuff from his post-shark-jumping phase. Give The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress a try.

    Yep, TMIAHM is by far one of my favorite Heinlein novels, and his weird obsession with sex(not that its weird to have some sex in a novel, but he really does go quite overboard later on) is nowhere to be found. Definitely one of his best works when his working of political ideas come into play.
    Profs question "When is it moral for the state to do what it is not moral for a individual to do" comes to mind here.
    Glory Road is pretty good too, if a bit more indulgent, but a fun mix of Sci-Fi and Conanesque adventure. He has plenty of short stories and such that are good(I'm still trying to visualize his concept of the 'Roads' that stretch between cities).

    Number of the beast is really a good example of a author who has slipped deeply into indulging himself. It happens to some of the best of them. Asimov succumbed to it a bit, but not nearly to the level Heinlein did.
    Any Lazarus Long story is indulgent, some more than others, but in the end its basically a wish-fulfillment character.
    I read Tunnel in The Sky, Have Spacesuit Will Travel, and The Star Beast so many times as a kid.

    Also, TMIAHM is one of my favorite novels. I reread it every couple years.
    The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag, and "--And He Built A Crooked House--" are really fun short stories.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Have Space Suit Will Travel is the first actual novel I ever read. My dad handed it to me when I was 7 or 8 and said, "Let me know if you need help with any of these words."

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Or the part where he's stuck in a pit on an unknown planet calculating which one he was on based on estimated acceleration and perceived time spent in travel.

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  • MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    This evening, I purchased the "Van Rijn method" which is apperently a collection of Nicholas Van Rijn stories by Poul Anderson, including a version of "War of the Wingmen." George R.R. Martin mentioned "War" as being so good it rivaled "Have Space suit will travel", so I'm looking forward to reading it.

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  • MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Thread Bump!

    Okay, I gotta ask. Does anyone know anyplace where I can buy the Lensman series? I've been trying to find this series all over the internet, but NO ONE has it!! Any help would be appreciated.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Phant wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Matthew wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    I was a huge Heinlein fan as a kid, and while now I've outgrown some of the political beliefs he presented and have recognized where in his career he jumped the shark (The Number Of The Beast, of course), I still value most of his work quite highly. His characters were (mostly) actual characters, and unlike most of his contemporaries, he knew his goddamn science.

    I've tried to read Heinlein before, but the books i've tried to read...it's like he's obsessed with sex. Frankly, I found it a bit of a turn-off. I've considered trying some of hus juveniles though, most specifically Citizen of the Galaxy.

    Yeah, you're getting some of the stuff from his post-shark-jumping phase. Give The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress a try.

    Yep, TMIAHM is by far one of my favorite Heinlein novels, and his weird obsession with sex(not that its weird to have some sex in a novel, but he really does go quite overboard later on) is nowhere to be found. Definitely one of his best works when his working of political ideas come into play.
    Profs question "When is it moral for the state to do what it is not moral for a individual to do" comes to mind here.
    Glory Road is pretty good too, if a bit more indulgent, but a fun mix of Sci-Fi and Conanesque adventure. He has plenty of short stories and such that are good(I'm still trying to visualize his concept of the 'Roads' that stretch between cities).

    Number of the beast is really a good example of a author who has slipped deeply into indulging himself. It happens to some of the best of them. Asimov succumbed to it a bit, but not nearly to the level Heinlein did.
    Any Lazarus Long story is indulgent, some more than others, but in the end its basically a wish-fulfillment character.

    Waaaaaaiit, isn't TMIAHM also the one where nearly all the protagonists are in that weird line marriage thing or eventually join it? That would count as a weird sex thing IMO.

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  • Mei HikariMei Hikari Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I'm guessing Peter F. Hamilton doesn't qualify, since he's still writing?

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  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    I'm guessing Peter F. Hamilton doesn't qualify, since he's still writing?

    The Golden Age refers to the 1930s-1960s (early 70s too maybe?), so no author writing in recent times, even if they had written works in that period would count.

    I picked up some of Murray Leinster's works a few months back at a market - hurrah for Calhoun of the Med Service!

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  • GrudgeGrudge blessed is the mind too small for doubtRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I've been reading Fred Saberhagen's Berserkers stories lately (mostly written in the mid-60's), and they are great in that early Space Opera, slightly pulpy kind of way; Troubled and brooding heroes, headstrong and beautiful (yet helpless) women, scheming villains and coldly evil, intelligent machines.

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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Grudge wrote: »
    I've been reading Fred Saberhagen's Berserkers stories lately (mostly written in the mid-60's), and they are great in that early Space Opera, slightly pulpy kind of way; Troubled and brooding heroes, headstrong and beautiful (yet helpless) women, scheming villains and coldly evil, intelligent machines.

    Don't forgot WW2 navel battles fought in space!

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  • themightypuckthemightypuck MontanaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    webguy20 wrote: »
    Grudge wrote: »
    I've been reading Fred Saberhagen's Berserkers stories lately (mostly written in the mid-60's), and they are great in that early Space Opera, slightly pulpy kind of way; Troubled and brooding heroes, headstrong and beautiful (yet helpless) women, scheming villains and coldly evil, intelligent machines.

    Don't forgot WW2 navel battles fought in space!

    Although, to be fair, Ender's Game battles are similarly ridiculous. Wrong in three dimensions does not make a right.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2010
    Matthew wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    I was a huge Heinlein fan as a kid, and while now I've outgrown some of the political beliefs he presented and have recognized where in his career he jumped the shark (The Number Of The Beast, of course), I still value most of his work quite highly. His characters were (mostly) actual characters, and unlike most of his contemporaries, he knew his goddamn science.

    I've tried to read Heinlein before, but the books i've tried to read...it's like he's obsessed with sex. Frankly, I found it a bit of a turn-off. I've considered trying some of hus juveniles though, most specifically Citizen of the Galaxy.
    he's a pretty creepy dude.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2010
    Matthew wrote: »
    Thread Bump!

    Okay, I gotta ask. Does anyone know anyplace where I can buy the Lensman series? I've been trying to find this series all over the internet, but NO ONE has it!! Any help would be appreciated.

    Amazon.

    http://www.amazon.com/Triplanetary-Lensman-E-Doc-Smith/dp/0843959495/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264362478&sr=1-2

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  • MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Dynagrip wrote: »
    Matthew wrote: »
    Thread Bump!

    Okay, I gotta ask. Does anyone know anyplace where I can buy the Lensman series? I've been trying to find this series all over the internet, but NO ONE has it!! Any help would be appreciated.

    Amazon.

    http://www.amazon.com/Triplanetary-Lensman-E-Doc-Smith/dp/0843959495/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264362478&sr=1-2

    Yeah, Triplanetary, but the rest of the books seem to be nowhere in sight.

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Kalkino wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    I'm guessing Peter F. Hamilton doesn't qualify, since he's still writing?

    The Golden Age refers to the 1930s-1960s (early 70s too maybe?), so no author writing in recent times, even if they had written works in that period would count.

    I picked up some of Murray Leinster's works a few months back at a market - hurrah for Calhoun of the Med Service!

    What's so golden about it? Modern sci-fi is so much better...

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  • SpindizzySpindizzy Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Ok so I was raised on Golden Age stuff like alot of you guys it seems. TMIAHM is great and is still great now. Always loved Stranger in a Strange Land even if there is some stange sex - I always thought Heinlein was one of the best for characterisation. I also recommend Starman Jones for a great description of spacetravel with sliderules and some maths. I'm also a big fan of Metheuselah's Children and Time Enough for Love. Great to look at Sci-fi as a study of science on people for a change.

    Other golden age stuff out there I like are the Cities in Flight and Hothouse (James Blish and Brian Aldiss respectively) the first detailing Cities that are turned into spaceships using antigravity and the second about a world where global warwarming has turned the whole world into a super giant Jugle and the world is alot like Pandora in Avatar but more brutal both great books.

    For the guy looking for Lensman books online there are dead cheap audiobook versions on Itunes. Additionally I recommend the books from the SF Masterworks series pretty much every top class sci-fi book written is in that series and again cheap on amazon.

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