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GM Fire Sale: Should I bite?

KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
edited January 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
So I came across this headline today.

GM offers Saturn, Pontiac Brand Discounts

So from what I understand, Pontiac and Saturn brands are being discontinued, so dealerships are offering "great" deals on them. As someone that's been thinking of upgrading from his 92 Infinitty for some time, I'm really, really tempted by this. Their dealer warranty will still be covered from what I read, the only downside I seem to find is that the resale value will be extremely low, which is fine with me, since I would plan to just drive the car to the ground, much as I did my current car.

I'm just not sure about what kind of cars Saturn and Pontiac offer, and if they are worth getting? I'm single, 27, with a short commute to work, so I really just need something small,simple with good mileage. None the less, I would like it to look nice.

Also, I want to keep my monthly payments low. I have up to 5 grand I could leave as a downpayment, so I figure I could get managable payments.

So basically, should I bite on this offer, which ends monday? And if so, any cars I should be looking at?

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    As long as you realize that service will be more and more difficult to get, and more expensive, as time goes on, especially once it's out of warranty, go for it. The Pontiac G6 is a decent car.

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  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Pontiac G8 is the sexy time.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I bought a 2009 Saturn astra when they had a similar deal up here in canada... 13000$ out the door for a 4 door fully equiped but no leather. Great commuter car.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    The Pontiac G8 is a great car if you can find one, especially the G8 GT (in Stryker Blue metallic with the black and red leather), that will be a collector car in a few years. The trouble is you probably won't get discounts on it because every male around 35-40 is looking for one. GM had the option to make the G8 the new Monte Carlo but they passed on it, such BS.

    The Saturn Astra is a great car, if you can find one of those get it. I believe they're using similar specs for the new Chevy Cruze.

    The Pontiac G6 and Saturn Aura have the same underpinnings as a Chevy Malibu, so service and repairs wouldn't hurt you on that.

    The Pontiac G3 is basically the Chevy Aveo, so avoid it.

    A Saturn Aura 4 cylinder with leather is a nice car that gives you room but helps you on gas and insurance. That would be my choice.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Pontiac is GM's one decent brand, so go for it.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I've always thought the G8 looked really great, I'd look into those. The real trade-off would probably be the MPG.

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  • eternalbleternalbl Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Most saturn and pontiac vehicles are going to share quite a bit with GM and Chevy models, so parts won't become any kind of issue except perhaps for bodywork or interior trim. Even then once an OEM stops producing parts for certain vehicles the molds are sold to aftermarket companies who continue to produce parts.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2010
    I remember when they shut down Oldsmobile they had to agree to continue producing parts for ten or twenty years. I don't know if something similar is going on with this one but they probably will anyhow as the parts sales were more lucrative than the vehicle sales for them anyhow.

    It'll just be finding mechanics who know the cars really well in ten years that'll be hard.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    In my case the Astra is the 2nd most popular in it's calss in europe. It's a direct import so should not be a problem.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2010
    Also check the vin to see where the car was assembled. If it starts with a 1 or a 2 it was made in the USA or Canada. A 3 means it was made in Mexico.

    They don't make cars in Mexico because the build quality there is so high, they put the factories in poor areas where people with little education will work for peanuts. It's not in your best interest to get a car assembled under those conditions and it's a little bit disgusting that you're being sold an "American" car with less American content and labour than almost anything sold by the Japanese or Korean companies (whose notably high build quality might just be linked to the generally first world factory conditions and educated, well paid and happy work force they employ).

    Though if it's a fire sale and you're paying half of what the competition is charging, it might still be worth it.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Like Pheezer said, the parts really shouldn't be an issue. GM isn't going away, just the Pontiac marquee, so there'll still be plenty of support. Not to mention that a car company turns a nice profit on parts sales, and they can charge a slight premium for discontinued models. After all, you can still get parts for cars from the 80s -- there's no reason a new Pontiac won't be in a similar situation.

    The only real downside is that some people will give you shit for owning a "dead brand," and it's like that some mechanics will try to charge you a premium.

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  • JokermanJokerman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    EggyToast wrote: »
    Like Pheezer said, the parts really shouldn't be an issue. GM isn't going away, just the Pontiac marquee, so there'll still be plenty of support. Not to mention that a car company turns a nice profit on parts sales, and they can charge a slight premium for discontinued models. After all, you can still get parts for cars from the 80s -- there's no reason a new Pontiac won't be in a similar situation.

    The only real downside is that some people will give you shit for owning a "dead brand," and it's like that some mechanics will try to charge you a premium.

    As a guy who has driven an oldsmobile for two or four years, lemme just say I'd take that over any ford or chrysler.

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  • clsCorwinclsCorwin Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    What, no recommendations for the Solstice/Skye?

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  • leafleaf Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    As long as you realize that service will be more and more difficult to get, and more expensive, as time goes on, especially once it's out of warranty, go for it. The Pontiac G6 is a decent car.

    Not really, atleast the manufacturers warranty will still be honoured by the remaining delearships. You might just have to drive further to get to it depending where you are. Parts I'm not sure of.

    Atleast for me there's still a billion other sunfires still out there I can just junkyard anything I need. So far 5 years and only needed tire and oil changes. And a firmware update.

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  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Shiny. Real shiny.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    clsCorwin wrote: »
    What, no recommendations for the Solstice/Skye?

    Those are just toys. He wants a daily driver. Not something to keep in his garage til spring, then shelter when it's November.

    The G8's are sweet. Get one!

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  • TejsTejs Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    clsCorwin wrote: »
    What, no recommendations for the Solstice/Skye?

    Those are just toys. He wants a daily driver. Not something to keep in his garage til spring, then shelter when it's November.

    The G8's are sweet. Get one!

    His Location says Plano, and if that is the Plano I think it is, it's near Dallas. We don't get snow or such nonsense around here, so you can drive a Lamborghini year 'round if you want. I see a couple of Sky's driving around often, and they look pretty good. I almost bought one, but decided for an RX8.

    It really depends on his price range though and what features are required. Depending on what he wants to spend, there are options other than Pontiac or Saturn that may provide better return on his money.

    On scales of importance:
    - How important is high milage?
    - How important is engine strength?
    - How important is reliability and maintenance costs?
    - How important is cargo space and seating capacity?
    - How important is paying the least amount for insurance? (350Z's for example, cost a bit more on insurance than other sports cars, etc)
    - How important is looking good?

    The OP says:
    I'm single, 27, with a short commute to work, so I really just need something small,simple with good mileage. None the less, I would like it to look nice.

    Also, I want to keep my monthly payments low. I have up to 5 grand I could leave as a downpayment, so I figure I could get managable payments.

    To me, that says to get a Honda Civic. Their website currently lists the 2010 Model for 15 grand, getting high MPG, with seating for four (doors for two), good cargo space, and decently sporty looking. Hondas are fairly bulletproof in terms of maintenance, and if you can find a nicely taken care of used one, I'm sure it would be even cheaper. 5 grand downpayment on that would leave you with something like 200 / month payments on the new 2010 model, and insurance would be stupid cheap.

    Saturn's best MPG model seems to have a base MSRP of 16,500, which is about 2 grand more than the Civic. Subjectively, I think it looks like crap. The Pontiac G8 starts at 28 grand which is another price level from the civic.

    If you were going to get a roadster though, I'd recommend an earlier generation Miata though - this body style:

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    Miatas are the most raced car in the world. Some may think of them as pretty effeminate, but they have a good engine, good suspension, good MPG, and look good (imo). I'm biased though, because I like roadsters.

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  • ಠ_ರೃಠ_ರೃ __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2010
    They just released a new Solstice Coupe that is really cool, it's even got a removable hardtop and it looks a lot better than the convertible version. I'd check it out. pics
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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I know mileage is going to vary a lot on this but, everyone I know whos gotten a GM car in the last few years has had to deal with electrical problems. Specifically Aveos, Equinoxes, Vibes, Azteks, and Cobalts. I know most of those are chevys, but they have pontiacs/saturns with the same guts so I would assume they'd be susceptible to the same problems.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Yeah, I'd honestly go for the civic. Or maybe Honda's next model up.

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  • clsCorwinclsCorwin Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    That Solstice Coupe is sweet.

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  • useless4useless4 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Pheezer wrote: »
    I remember when they shut down Oldsmobile they had to agree to continue producing parts for ten or twenty years. I don't know if something similar is going on with this one but they probably will anyhow as the parts sales were more lucrative than the vehicle sales for them anyhow.

    It'll just be finding mechanics who know the cars really well in ten years that'll be hard.

    It's a law that car companies continue to make parts for *I believe* 20 years (it might be ten). It has some fancy "fill in the name here" Act as a name. GM is considered the company in this case, not Pontiac or Saturn.

    And it does snow in Dallas/Plano area. At least enough to make the roads crap and icy.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    A Saturn Astra is comparable to a Civic in everything (it's even made in Belgium as they were directly imported from Europe), but with the discounts now you can get them for around $10,000. And both the coupe and the 5-door are very nice looking.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Update.

    So sadly, the dealer was pretty much sold out of all good models except for the Aura's, which although nice was a bit more than I wanted to spend. Also, considering that they were going out of business, the price was still pretty high.

    None the less, I ended up picking up a Toyota Corolla XRS for a little less than 19,000. This is my second car in my life, and my first new car, and it's a great feeling.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Treat that Toyota well, dude, those are good cars.

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