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I need a trading sim.

harvestharvest By birthright,a stupendous badass.Registered User regular
edited January 2010 in Games and Technology
Spirit Tracks got me pumped to play a trading sim game. Something where I buy goods at some place, transport them across the dangerous and interesting game world, and sell them for a profit (hopefully).

I know of about a million games that include this basic feature but not many that focus on it, and definitely not such a personal way as Spirit Tracks does. OpenTTD and Railroad Tycoon are far too hands-off for what I'm looking for.

What I'd like to play is something with the above mentioned trading, plus some kind of research and development to make my vehicle/vessel better able to transport more and various cargoes.

The new Pirates! did this somewhat but it's a pain in the ass with all the bullshit minigame stuff and mutiny and ground combat.

Instead of commanding a big ship or fleet of ships/trains/airplanes I'd much rather be a lone businessman.

So anyway, on with the suggesting. I have a great PC and most console hardware worth having sans PS3. Gaming vintage is not important, but accessibility is. I'd rather not spend a few hours reading tutorials but will if the games are awesome enough.

Basically, do my research for me and report back.

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  • DartboyDartboy Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    X3. Trade..... IN SPAAAAAAAAACE! Or blow shit up. That works too.

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Pretty damn old but I used to play Patrician 3 heaps.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrician_3

    Traveling across europe selling meat and pickled fish. While fending off pirates. Fun!

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    EVE Online seems to be good for this too, and what is more challenging that actual other players doing the role of hostile merchants and pirates?

    If you're interested, the G&T Recruitment thread is a good read.

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    EVE Online.
    the end.

    Failing that... have you considered doing some actual, real-life day-trading on the stock market?

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Gaming vintage is not important, but accessibility is. I'd rather not spend a few hours reading tutorials but will if the games are awesome enough.

    From his descriptions I'm guessing Eve would not be be worth it. :P

    Also, civilization has trading. And colonizations. Both awesome.

    Seriously though, Patrician 3 is pretty much the only game I can think off that focuses on trading almost entirely.

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    How 'bout good old Escape Velocity?

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  • GalielmusGalielmus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Perhaps Drugwars would interest you? I think you can find it for mobile phones and stuff too, since it's so simple. But man I love that game.

    Edit: I guess Dopewars is actually the version I've played the most, as Drugwars was intended for TI Calculators.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Eve, or if you reeeeeally don't want to pay a monthly fee, X3.

    But have you considered Style Savvy? It's more about managing a store's inventory, but I've heard good things about it...

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  • Atlus ParkerAtlus Parker Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I was always partial to Gazillionaire.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Also, keep in mind that X3 is half off for the steam sale. Some people in the steam thread said to skip the original and just get terran conflict, which is currently $10

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Spoit wrote: »
    Eve, or if you reeeeeally don't want to pay a monthly fee, X3.

    But have you considered Style Savvy? It's more about managing a store's inventory, but I've heard good things about it...

    About EVE having a monthly fee, check the EVE thread out, several people have 21 day trials up for grabs, and if you're really into trading, you can pay your subscription with the in-game currency quite easily.
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    If you join MerchI you can probably collect enough to buy a PLEX card by Mining and Salvaging if you login for a couple of hours every night.

    PM me an email address if you want a 21 day trail.

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  • Forever ZefiroForever Zefiro cloaked in the midnight glory of an event horizonRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Haha, while looking through the Steam sale, I see Space Trader: Merchant Marine. Looks poorly made, but it is only $1.99.

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  • KitsurubamiKitsurubami Winnipeg, MBRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    It's not wholly focused on trading, but Galactic Civilizations 2 definately has a strong economic element to it. Plus, planet-killing lasers.

    I only ever played the base game, but I've heard that the expansions added quite a lot to the game.

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  • ಠ_ರೃಠ_ರೃ __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2010
    Sokpuppet wrote: »
    Failing that... have you considered doing some actual, real-life day-trading on the stock market?

    I think I'd like to play around with day-trading in the stock market, but never found a way to do it that made it fun and easy. Like I just put in the money I want to use, and then start trading around stocks. Any suggestions?

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  • AkiraAkira Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Have you tried Dawn of Discovery (aka Anno 1404)? Might not be exactly what you're looking for since it mostly involves trading between your own colonies, though there is some trading with other NPC players.

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  • TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    May not be exactly what you're looking for but Mount & Blade has a fairly robust trading system.

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  • BlurblBlurbl -_- Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    There's a flash game called Caravaneer which sounds exactly like what you want. Set in a post apocolyptic world, taking note of high/low demand items in various towns and hiring people to defend your carts, and eventually jeeps from roving bandits.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    ಠ_ರೃ wrote: »
    Sokpuppet wrote: »
    Failing that... have you considered doing some actual, real-life day-trading on the stock market?

    I think I'd like to play around with day-trading in the stock market, but never found a way to do it that made it fun and easy. Like I just put in the money I want to use, and then start trading around stocks. Any suggestions?

    Well, day trading is a suckers game, even Eve will be more fun and cheaper, IMO.

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  • ಠ_ರೃಠ_ರೃ __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2010
    ಠ_ರೃ wrote: »
    Sokpuppet wrote: »
    Failing that... have you considered doing some actual, real-life day-trading on the stock market?

    I think I'd like to play around with day-trading in the stock market, but never found a way to do it that made it fun and easy. Like I just put in the money I want to use, and then start trading around stocks. Any suggestions?

    Well, day trading is a suckers game, even Eve will be more fun and cheaper, IMO.

    Mm, also a bit more pointless. No matter how successful I become in EVE I won't see that shit for real.

    Day trading can't be much worse than blackjack or poker I think.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    ಠ_ರೃ wrote: »
    ಠ_ರೃ wrote: »
    Sokpuppet wrote: »
    Failing that... have you considered doing some actual, real-life day-trading on the stock market?

    I think I'd like to play around with day-trading in the stock market, but never found a way to do it that made it fun and easy. Like I just put in the money I want to use, and then start trading around stocks. Any suggestions?

    Well, day trading is a suckers game, even Eve will be more fun and cheaper, IMO.

    Mm, also a bit more pointless. No matter how successful I become in EVE I won't see that shit for real.

    Day trading can't be much worse than blackjack or poker I think.

    Casino Poker is a pretty good analogy in that you are in a zero sum (in the short term) contest with the house taking a cut.

    So just look around the table and decide who the sucker is.

    To be fair you could do worse than putting some money in a short term trading account and playing around. You might learn something for sure. Just don't make it a substitute for your main, long term, investing. Stocks will be a lot better than commodities, since that really is a zero sum game and you are, for instance, making bets on the supply and demand of hogs against both the farmers and the hot dog makers.

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  • CronusCronus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Akira wrote: »
    Have you tried Dawn of Discovery (aka Anno 1404)? Might not be exactly what you're looking for since it mostly involves trading between your own colonies, though there is some trading with other NPC players.

    I was going to suggest this or 1701. I haven't played 1404 yet, but loved 1701. The focus is more on trading with your own colonies to sustain your main colony and building up your cities and outposts. It's a terrific game and I've lost entire evenings without realizing it.

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  • carbon13carbon13 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    GTA: Chinatown Wars? Buy and sell drugs throughout the city with simple supply and demand scenarios.

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  • UrQuanLord88UrQuanLord88 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    WoW Auction House!

    Just kidding

    EvE seems to be the one you're looking for

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  • InsanityInsanity Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    How this thread has got so far with no mention of Elite or Frontier, I do not know. But you people sicken me.

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  • BarneyLBarneyL Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Port Royale 2 is very cheap in the STEAM sale (£1.49 in the UK). It has a 75 metascore and might scratch the trading itch.

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  • Dr SnofeldDr Snofeld Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I was always partial to Gazillionaire.

    Wow hey, this is pretty neat, if a bit expensive for what it is.

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  • SirUltimosSirUltimos Don't talk, Rusty. Just paint. Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Dr Snofeld wrote: »
    I was always partial to Gazillionaire.

    Wow hey, this is pretty neat, if a bit expensive for what it is.

    I've had an old shareware version of it sitting around for at least 10 years now. With enough people it's actually incredibly fun.

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  • Dr SnofeldDr Snofeld Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    SirUltimos wrote: »
    Dr Snofeld wrote: »
    I was always partial to Gazillionaire.

    Wow hey, this is pretty neat, if a bit expensive for what it is.

    I've had an old shareware version of it sitting around for at least 10 years now. With enough people it's actually incredibly fun.

    That said, I'm pretty bad at it.

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  • Kris_xKKris_xK Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I haven't played it in a while, but Freelancer was a good Space Sim game along the lines of Privateer. With some of the recent mods, I remember it being quite good.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Insanity wrote: »
    How this thread has got so far with no mention of Elite or Frontier, I do not know. But you people sicken me.

    This is the first thing that came into my mind, but I consider EVE to be a natural evolution to that. Even though I've never played any of those two D:

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  • Edith UpwardsEdith Upwards Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUH6AOb3sNM

    Space Rangers is the best game for this. And the intro is hilariously [strike]bad[/strike] awesome.

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  • AceedAceed Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Spoit wrote: »
    Also, keep in mind that X3 is half off for the steam sale. Some people in the steam thread said to skip the original and just get terran conflict, which is currently $10

    I just bought this from Steam, thanks for the heads up on the sale.

    Now to see if I can actually get into this time...the learning curve kills me.

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  • KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Aceed wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    Also, keep in mind that X3 is half off for the steam sale. Some people in the steam thread said to skip the original and just get terran conflict, which is currently $10

    I just bought this from Steam, thanks for the heads up on the sale.

    Now to see if I can actually get into this time...the learning curve kills me.

    Man, I love X3. It's so freaking awesome to start off with nothing, go find a pirate or 7, steal a Nova, sell a Falcon or 3, and then start up a few universe traders. I just wish the game would keep running alt-tabbed, then you could do some really sick stuff.

    The expansion was a bit broken. Getting a Xenon invasion was fun, until you spent 12 or 13 REAL LIFE hours fighting off legions of Xenon Ks and Ps. Still, I cannot stress how much better the interface is in the expansion is. It has icons that tell you when random stations and whatnot have work for you. The original doesn't. So if you wanted to find, say, a trading mission, or a Xenon invasion mission, you had to fly the SLOW route over to each station and pray you found one.

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  • harvestharvest By birthright, a stupendous badass.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I have indeed played most of the games mentioned here (even Space Trader). I was in ArsED and its predecessors for years.

    I'm interested in a more personal game than most of these though. Along the lines of Freelancer and Privateer is what I'm looking at, not managing a fleet of automated traders in X3 or colonies in an Anno game.

    I guess the main thing I'm looking for here is direct control for personal gain, both in money and power. It may be that I just have to play Gemini Gold again. I still need to take a look at a couple of titles here that I haven't tried yet.

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  • DarianDarian Yellow Wizard The PitRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    You say you've played most of them... does that include Escape Velocity? Start with a single little spaceship and brave the galaxy moving cargo from place to place. Latest version is Escape Velocity Nova, which can be played on a PC (original game sucked away a lot of my time on my old mac). Free trial available on their site if you want to check it out.

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  • The Big LevinskyThe Big Levinsky Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Darian wrote: »
    You say you've played most of them... does that include Escape Velocity? Start with a single little spaceship and brave the galaxy moving cargo from place to place. Latest version is Escape Velocity Nova, which can be played on a PC (original game sucked away a lot of my time on my old mac). Free trial available on their site if you want to check it out.

    The trading aspect of Escape Velocity Nova becomes irrelevant pretty quickly, especially since the prices never change. I found a planet that bought/sold the same good as its moon, but for a different price. You don't have to have a huge profit margin on something when you don't have to move your ship in order to land on your destination.

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  • harvestharvest By birthright, a stupendous badass.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Darian wrote: »
    You say you've played most of them... does that include Escape Velocity? Start with a single little spaceship and brave the galaxy moving cargo from place to place. Latest version is Escape Velocity Nova, which can be played on a PC (original game sucked away a lot of my time on my old mac). Free trial available on their site if you want to check it out.

    The trading aspect of Escape Velocity Nova becomes irrelevant pretty quickly, especially since the prices never change. I found a planet that bought/sold the same good as its moon, but for a different price. You don't have to have a huge profit margin on something when you don't have to move your ship in order to land on your destination.

    Aye, this is what I experienced with EV:N when it came out. Fucking great game but not really what I'm in the mood for.

    Anyone that's played Flatspace 2 care to give some impressions?

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    How 'bout Privateer?

    good old Privateer.... MAN those were the days.

    edit: oh wait, didn't have much of a trade mechanic per-say, did it?

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  • InterpreterInterpreter Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    How about Starflight 2: Trade Routes of the Cloud Nebula.

    A fairly old game, but you do trade a fair bit in it.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I used to play "Planets: The Exporation of Space" on the old BBS systems way back in the day. It was a text based space trade game, and I've never found a graphical or modern game that captures the same feel as Planets. It was a damn good game. I keep hoping for something similar, but as of yet I haven't found one.

    Re: X3 -- Does this game have bounty hunters or people who will chase you across the galaxy for deeds that you have done?

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