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Considering Fios...with a few questions

Sci-Fi WasabiSci-Fi Wasabi Registered User regular
Ok, so im considering ditching netflix, gamefly, and comcast internet (i dont have cable tv) and considering getting a verizion fios tv and internet bundle. I'm really interested in HD channels, and the increased internet speed would be nice, even though comcast has been decent in that regard. everyone tells me fios is way better. so consolidating my bills will be great, but im unclear about a few things, and hopefully you guys can give me piece of mind.

1.) I have a comcast provided modem, and my own router. I need wireless to my computer, ps3, and wii. I need a wired connection to my 360. I understand verizon provides a wireless router at no cost. assuming i know how to set up my consoles and allow them to set up my one computer, is there any downside to just shelving my router and letting them set up theirs? might free up some cables, but im wondering if there are factors im not considering.

2.) The website is unclear about whether or not ill need an HD Receiver to get HD channels. It simply says without one I wont be able to use the channel guide or set channel preferences. I definitely want High Def picture and digital sound. It's an extra ten bucks a month, bringing my total two year agreement to 109.99 a month. yes? no?

finally, how is the picture quality in fios hd compared to dish hd? this is pretty much the first cable package ive ever been financially responsible for, much less the first HD one, so i'm looking to make a smart choice. I've calculated that the bundle will cost approx. 25 dollars more a month than my three other services did combined, with a consolidated bill to boot.

any thoughts?

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    SandersSanders Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Not quite sure why you are ditching Netflix and Gamefly unless it is a money issue - they really do not compete with FiOS at all. If anything, your subscription to Netflix will benefit from it.

    Assuming their router has no leasing /installing fees, compatible with your equipment, and can be accessed with ease to do any kind of port forwarding or what have you, I see nothing wrong with using theirs. But if yours already works fine and does what you need, why switch routers?

    Yes, you'll need to spend the extra $10 a month. To be fair, $110 is a pretty damn good deal for the connection speeds + cable with HD. I'm paying $150 / mo for far less.

    I really don't know about the specifics of HD programming and of quality differences, but I can say you are very lucky to have FiOS in your area and it is insane not to jump on the opportunity.

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    Sci-Fi WasabiSci-Fi Wasabi Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Gamefly is definitely going out. I need instant gratification and Gamefly requires a patience I dont have. I've found that in the 4 months I've had the service, the amount of games I've purchased has been about the same, with only around 5 or so games rented out during that time. I know that makes it my fault, but the service just isn't for me.

    Netflix will be a little harder to let go, but I don't use the instant streaming as much as I should, and there have been times where I have broken down and redboxed a movie because it was cheaper/faster. *shrug*.

    at least at first, i want the car payment/insurance, electric, and verizon bill to be the only ones i have to deal with. netflix i might bring out of hibernation after i look at my finances after that.

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    HoundxHoundx Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    $110 a month for cable and the stupidly awesome, or so I hear, lightning fast FIOS internet sounds pretty reasonable and I'd be all over it. Except... do you use any peer to peer file sharing apps? I'm not going to ask what you use them for. I'm just going to let you know that Verizon seems to have bought in to the RIAA's plan and they are cutting people off for that.

    Man I wish we had us some FIOS up in here.

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    Sci-Fi WasabiSci-Fi Wasabi Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Houndx wrote: »
    $110 a month for cable and the stupidly awesome, or so I hear, lightning fast FIOS internet sounds pretty reasonable and I'd be all over it. Except... do you use any peer to peer file sharing apps? I'm not going to ask what you use them for. I'm just going to let you know that Verizon seems to have bought in to the RIAA's plan and they are cutting people off for that.

    Man I wish we had us some FIOS up in here.

    No P2P that I can think of. Torrents, sure. Haven't used a "limewire" equivalent in around 5 years or so :P

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    El GuacoEl Guaco Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    When I signed up for FIOS, they gave me wifi router which has been fairly reliable. One caveat: the FIOS router I got had the coax cable connection directly on the router, there was no separate modem, so it was all in one tidy package. If you intend to use your own router be sure to ask for just a modem instead because you're pretty committed to their router if you take it. The firmware is functional, but is a bit obtuse in places, and every time you change menus in the settings it loads a page to ask you "do you really really REALLY want to do this because if you fuck it up God help you" which gets annoying if you have to make a lot of changes or even if you just want to see what the current settings are. If you're hands-on person with router settings, I'd request a modem-only option and buy a better router.

    As far as HD channels, you'll need the HD receiver to get the HD channels from FIOS, there's no way around it. Although if you're going this far, I'd highly recommend you get the DVR model so you can record your shows and watch them on your own terms. You'll thank yourself later.

    My local Verizon office has been awesome in terms of customer service. I had some connectivity issues after the install and they sent out a technician the next day who went over the entire install from telephone pole to DVR, and he eventually traced the problem to external hardware (in the basement) that had faulty wiring (which he blamed on a coworker). They even gave me a month free for the hassle.

    On the flip side, I've had friends who tried to get FIOS and because of logistics weren't able to get an install at all. My future father-in-law's home has all the wiring to the house underground (as it should be) but that meant Verizon would have had to dig a new trench in his front yard to get optic cable to his house. He didn't feel it was worth it and went back to cable.

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    spazmojackspazmojack Hangin on the corner of 52nd and BroadwayRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    some notes about the fios at our house:

    picture quality is great but i rarely watch TV. the roomies are usually all over it though. the internet is blazing fast (like spaceballs ludicrous speed) but the supplied verizon router sucks copious hairy nads (at least the wireless part). i just use it as a gateway to the wireless router i have everything else in the house connected to. to me it's worth the money alone for the internet.

    occasionally the dvr/receiver box (which was provided at no cost by verizon) wigs out and needs a manual reset, but it's not often enough to the point where we worry about calling customer service about. maybe happens about once every two months...chalk it up to technogremlins. i think that's about it though, i'm happy with it and would definitely recommend it to others if they're able to get it in their area.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Houndx wrote: »
    $110 a month for cable and the stupidly awesome, or so I hear, lightning fast FIOS internet sounds pretty reasonable and I'd be all over it. Except... do you use any peer to peer file sharing apps? I'm not going to ask what you use them for. I'm just going to let you know that Verizon seems to have bought in to the RIAA's plan and they are cutting people off for that.

    Man I wish we had us some FIOS up in here.

    No P2P that I can think of. Torrents, sure. Haven't used a "limewire" equivalent in around 5 years or so :P

    Torrents are probably on their hitlist as well.

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    HoundxHoundx Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    No P2P that I can think of. Torrents, sure. Haven't used a "limewire" equivalent in around 5 years or so :P

    Torrents are P2P

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    ShadowrunnerShadowrunner Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    El Guaco wrote: »
    On the flip side, I've had friends who tried to get FIOS and because of logistics weren't able to get an install at all. My future father-in-law's home has all the wiring to the house underground (as it should be) but that meant Verizon would have had to dig a new trench in his front yard to get optic cable to his house. He didn't feel it was worth it and went back to cable.

    When I signed up for FIOS, the install was done in two steps. First, they sent a crew out with a ditch digger, installed the fiber from the curb to my house, and installed the ONT. On another day, they actually sent someone out to do the in-house installation.

    OP, if you want HD channels, you will have to pay for the HD box (unless you have a TiVo with CableCards or something similar). If you like to watch TV, the HD picture quality is absolutely stunning. It's totally worth it if you have a good home theater setup.

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    Sci-Fi WasabiSci-Fi Wasabi Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Houndx wrote: »
    No P2P that I can think of. Torrents, sure. Haven't used a "limewire" equivalent in around 5 years or so :P

    Torrents are P2P

    Oh, whoops, I'm retarded. I wouldn't cry if torrents were a problem, I don't nearly have enough to do with them to care all that much. How am I gonna know they're a problem? will they send me a warning notice if i try to download any, or will it be apparent from the begining that it probably isnt a good idea?

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    HoundxHoundx Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Well as long as you're not downloading copyrighted materials I wouldn't expect any problems. The article was on cnet a day or two back and, I believe, it said that they would issue a warning first.

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I've never had problems with their wireless router, at all. I stream regularly on my first floor, can easily play a game on a pc down here while also streaming netflix to my ps3 and not notice any lag. their router is upstairs.

    and as far as I've seen it's the best quality HD around.

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    GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    20/20 user here. No complaints at all except for their crap-town router. I converted my Actiontec router into a bridge and use a d-link 655 router which is GREAT. The TV is pretty awesome too, but yeah you will need a box or a cable card to tune the stations. At my parents' house they use the cable cards with an HD Tivo. It is the bees knees.

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    KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    25/15 user here. YMMV with their widely-recognized-as-a-POS router. Although, they do appear to have about 3 different brands they send out so you may be lucky. Other than that, blazing *dedicated* bandwidth, low latency & extremely high availability is awesome.

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    Sci-Fi WasabiSci-Fi Wasabi Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    OK so assuming I do my order online, is the date I do the online order the recurring "billing date"?

    Also, I understand there are taxes and other charges on the monthly billing cycle. Are those included in the 109.99 dollar statement total I'm seeing on the website, or will it be on top of that?

    Lastly, what's shitty about their routers? I doubt I'll have a problem as long as it has 4 ports and a way to connect my wireless. My devices are all in the same room as well and my apartment is probably as big as some of your bedrooms.

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    KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    OK so assuming I do my order online, is the date I do the online order the recurring "billing date"?

    Also, I understand there are taxes and other charges on the monthly billing cycle. Are those included in the 109.99 dollar statement total I'm seeing on the website, or will it be on top of that?

    Lastly, what's shitty about their routers? I doubt I'll have a problem as long as it has 4 ports and a way to connect my wireless. My devices are all in the same room as well and my apartment is probably as big as some of your bedrooms.
    They have small memory pools which cause session limit problems. If you aren't a heavy internet user it won't be a problem but, anything with a high amount of flows (a flow is a source port & ip address combined with a destination port & address) like torrents will make you notice it. Maybe this was the cause of my occasional dropped packets? Not sure but, I ditched it shortly after I narrowed it down to the router. Also, tax is never included in their number they tell you.

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    GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Krikee wrote: »
    OK so assuming I do my order online, is the date I do the online order the recurring "billing date"?

    Also, I understand there are taxes and other charges on the monthly billing cycle. Are those included in the 109.99 dollar statement total I'm seeing on the website, or will it be on top of that?

    Lastly, what's shitty about their routers? I doubt I'll have a problem as long as it has 4 ports and a way to connect my wireless. My devices are all in the same room as well and my apartment is probably as big as some of your bedrooms.
    They have small memory pools which cause session limit problems. If you aren't a heavy internet user it won't be a problem but, anything with a high amount of flows (a flow is a source port & ip address combined with a destination port & address) like torrents will make you notice it. Maybe this was the cause of my occasional dropped packets? Not sure but, I ditched it shortly after I narrowed it down to the router. Also, tax is never included in their number they tell you.

    My Actiontec would literally lock up with too many connections. Using it is a bridge is perfectly functional though.

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    mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    no it will depend on the state but i have a 109 package and i pay like 130 something after all is said and done. that is with phone internet and cable

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    Sci-Fi WasabiSci-Fi Wasabi Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Will my sign up date determine my payment period or will verizon choose and prorate me? I'm trying to budget my month out.

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    mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    i thnk you can change it to what you want regardless but that may be a different bill

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    for coffee kicking in. i believe i signed up for the begining of the month and my bill date is at the end

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