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Of Last Gen Consoles and HD TVs

Mr_SnuffleMr_Snuffle Registered User regular
edited January 2007 in Games and Technology
I picked myself up a new HD TV yesterday so I can now play my 360 looking all pretty. I got myself one of those LG Slimline CRT HD TVs, thinking it would handle 'last gen' consoles a little nicer than a LCD or plasma, because it could actually lower the resolution to display it natively, instead of scaling the image. I discovered that my TV does seem to do some scaling, and makes FF XII look like total arse.

Anyway, I was wondering if it would make any difference if I got a component cable for the PS2. I've found some cheap ones on ebay. Would it actually make my PS2 look like not suck, or am I best off just using it on my old television?

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    MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mr_Snuffle wrote:
    Anyway, I was wondering if it would make any difference if I got a component cable for the PS2. I've found some cheap ones on ebay. Would it actually make my PS2 look like not suck

    It would certainly make it look better. But I'm not sure that many PAL games support progressive scan, so it wouldn't make a massive difference (like it does with progressive scan games).
    or am I best off just using it on my old television?

    I personally prefer SD content on my SDTV... but then, my HDTV's scalers are absolutely horrible.

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    DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    i have not yet seen a newer HDTV that makes anything non HD look anything but pure shit

    whyyyy

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    Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Deusfaux wrote:
    i have not yet seen a newer HDTV that makes anything non HD look anything but pure shit

    whyyyy

    We're not allowed to have nice things.

    That being said, my parents' 60' Sony scales pretty decently.

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    StigmaStigma Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Sounds like this HDTV shit is horrible.

    I will probably play my first HD console on a regular television and not give a shit.

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    DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    its the same disconnect vista is going to probably create


    need to keep around an old computer with older windows versions on it to play them


    need to keep around an old SD tv to play older SD games on it without looking like shit

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    Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Stigma wrote:
    Sounds like this HDTV shit is horrible.

    I will probably play my first HD console on a regular television and not give a shit.

    Dead Rising cant read text lol

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    DJDeeJayDJDeeJay Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mr_Snuffle wrote:
    Anyway, I was wondering if it would make any difference if I got a component cable for the PS2. I've found some cheap ones on ebay. Would it actually make my PS2 look like not suck, or am I best off just using it on my old television?

    I'm using the component cables with my PS2 on my Samsung LNS3251 (32 inch LCD) and it still looks like barf. Maybe slightly more vibrant barf, but barf still the same, which unfortunately means that I need to keep the 20 some inch CRT that I was going to replace.

    Unless someone knows some trick that I don't I just don't think that certain "older" gen games / systems are ever going to play nice on HDTVs.

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    Mr_SnuffleMr_Snuffle Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=147152

    this is interesting. Apparently the PS2 has a built in scaler, it's just not enabled

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    Mr_SnuffleMr_Snuffle Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Deusfaux wrote:
    i have not yet seen a newer HDTV that makes anything non HD look anything but pure shit

    whyyyy

    the HD CRT TV I have looks fine when I play SD DVDs, and when I run my PC through svideo it to play video stuff, it's just the PS2 that makes my eyes bleed

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    Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Stigma wrote:
    Sounds like this HDTV shit is horrible.

    I will probably play my first HD console on a regular television and not give a shit.

    you won't care until you play on an HDTV.

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    Flesh Into GearFlesh Into Gear Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    The scaler in my tv is pretty good. I'd say in general PS2 via component looks better on it than my SD set.

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    Carol VordermanCarol Vorderman Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mr_Snuffle wrote:
    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=147152

    this is interesting. Apparently the PS2 has a built in scaler, it's just not enabled
    When I hook my PS2 into my HDTV the picture doesn't take up the entire screen, and everything is blocky (because I guess it's running at slightly smaller resolution than it's supposed to)

    Is that what this is talking about?

    (I'm using the Sony Component Cables, by the way)

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    DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    the wideness would be determined by game


    but its the blockiness that sucks big time

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    StigmaStigma Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Stigma wrote:
    Sounds like this HDTV shit is horrible.

    I will probably play my first HD console on a regular television and not give a shit.

    Dead Rising cant read text lol

    Oh ok. So I won't buy one of those.
    Fuck that.

    I can't afford an HD TV.

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    yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Stigma wrote:
    Stigma wrote:
    Sounds like this HDTV shit is horrible.

    I will probably play my first HD console on a regular television and not give a shit.

    Dead Rising cant read text lol

    Oh ok. So I won't buy one of those.
    Fuck that.

    I can't afford an HD TV.

    neither can I. Why do you think I paid 40 bucks for a VGA cable?

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    NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I think i remember seeing some software you could buy for your ps2 that forces nearly every game into progressive scan mode. Probably won't make it look any better than initially on an sdtv, but at least it won't look like ass on an hdtv.

    Anyone have any idea what the product was?

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    freshmasterfreshfreshmasterfresh Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I think i remember seeing some software you could buy for your ps2 that forces nearly every game into progressive scan mode. Probably won't make it look any better than initially on an sdtv, but at least it won't look like ass on an hdtv.

    Anyone have any idea what the product was?

    BEHOLD MY IMMENSE INTELLIGENCE AND ENTIRELY ORIGINAL SOLUTION TO YOUR UNFORTUNATE PROBLEM.

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=147152

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    ZoolanderZoolander Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    if you want really good scalers in hdtvs, you have to look at the more expensive ones, like sony bravias, etc. those ones are pretty good, although sd will probably still look better in sd tvs. but i couldn't possibly live without an hdtv now though, hd is just so sexy.

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    Dr_KeenbeanDr_Keenbean Dumb as a butt Planet Express ShipRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    DJDeeJay wrote:
    Mr_Snuffle wrote:
    Anyway, I was wondering if it would make any difference if I got a component cable for the PS2. I've found some cheap ones on ebay. Would it actually make my PS2 look like not suck, or am I best off just using it on my old television?

    I'm using the component cables with my PS2 on my Samsung LNS3251 (32 inch LCD) and it still looks like barf. Maybe slightly more vibrant barf, but barf still the same, which unfortunately means that I need to keep the 20 some inch CRT that I was going to replace.

    Unless someone knows some trick that I don't I just don't think that certain "older" gen games / systems are ever going to play nice on HDTVs.

    Some games look decent and some look like pure ass. FFXII looks pretty good on my tv (40" Sony XBR2), Guitar Hero II looks wonderful (but then it's progressive scan), but Shadow of Rome and Tenchu look like regurgitated shit.

    That some one ate.

    Then vomited onto someone elses shit.

    Then ate that.

    And shit it all onto the screen.

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    NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I think i remember seeing some software you could buy for your ps2 that forces nearly every game into progressive scan mode. Probably won't make it look any better than initially on an sdtv, but at least it won't look like ass on an hdtv.

    Anyone have any idea what the product was?

    BEHOLD MY IMMENSE INTELLIGENCE AND ENTIRELY ORIGINAL SOLUTION TO YOUR UNFORTUNATE PROBLEM.

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=147152

    word that's the one.

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    AlecAlec Louisville, KYRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I think i remember seeing some software you could buy for your ps2 that forces nearly every game into progressive scan mode. Probably won't make it look any better than initially on an sdtv, but at least it won't look like ass on an hdtv.

    Anyone have any idea what the product was?

    BEHOLD MY IMMENSE INTELLIGENCE AND ENTIRELY ORIGINAL SOLUTION TO YOUR UNFORTUNATE PROBLEM.

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=147152

    word that's the one.

    DO NOT GET THAT THING

    EXAMPLE: If you select 1080i, it only SHRINKS THE IMAGE DOWN on your TV, making it sharper, but giving you a huge black border. It will literally shrink your screen size by like 30 inches.

    I've heard 540p is the only mode that works excellently, but I don't know of any HDs that have 540p.

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    LaPuzzaLaPuzza Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Zoolander wrote:
    if you want really good scalers in hdtvs, you have to look at the more expensive ones, like sony bravias, etc. those ones are pretty good, although sd will probably still look better in sd tvs. but i couldn't possibly live without an hdtv now though, hd is just so sexy.

    For exactly this reason, I've been looking at the SDXR 60" XBR2. Apparently it is supposed to have special "SD won't look like ass" technology, although no reviews really touch on that aspect of the TV.

    I'm hoping someone here has this TV and can back up that it can process SD well. Because I can only find the A2000 model locally, without the SD processing, I'd like to have someone vouch for the TV before I order one.

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    djklaydjklay Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Alec wrote:

    I've heard 540p is the only mode that works excellently, but I don't know of any HDs that have 540p.

    That's the EDTV right? I'm pretty sure my HD TV does that, it's a (slightly) older rear projection Panasonic.

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    mausmalonemausmalone Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mr_Snuffle wrote:
    Deusfaux wrote:
    i have not yet seen a newer HDTV that makes anything non HD look anything but pure shit

    whyyyy

    the HD CRT TV I have looks fine when I play SD DVDs, and when I run my PC through svideo it to play video stuff, it's just the PS2 that makes my eyes bleed

    (a) Are you using composite or s-video on the PS2? If composite, then yes, an upgrade to component will help a lot.

    (b) Don't expect much out of FFXII. It doesn't have support for 480p. Watching 480i on an HDTV requires a comb filter to try to interpolate between the lines of resolution, which usually fucks up all things video games.

    NeoGeo -> HDTV = awful looking
    Wii + MSA -> HDTV = glory

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    DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    If the deinterlacer and scaler on your HDTV sucks, why not run the 480i signal through your computer, through DScaler or whatever, and then output that to the HDTV? DScaler always makes stuff look great for me, although it puts a bit of a drain on my 3-year-old CPU.

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    DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I recently picked up a 57" DLP set. Its very depressing to play a lot of 480i games on it (pretty much my entire PS2 selection). Games that run at 480p look really good though. I heard that the HDTV Xploder thing for the PS2 is pretty good for forcing games into Progressive Scan, and that most of the problems people have with it stem from going to the higher resolutions (720/1080). It seems like it would be a decent solution for me, since 480p looks good enough.

    Of course, the only game rendered totally unplayable is Guitar Hero. GH2 at least has a lag setting to compensate for the upscaling delay, but no such luck for GH1. Perhaps the Xploder thing could force it into 1080i. I could deal with weird video problems if it meant the game was actually playable.

    Has anyone actually tried this product out? I'd love to get some forumer feedback before I order it.


    Also, a lot of Dreamcast games run in 480p. Joy!

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    mausmalonemausmalone Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Dirty wrote:
    I recently picked up a 57" DLP set. Its very depressing to play a lot of 480i games on it (pretty much my entire PS2 selection). Games that run at 480p look really good though. I heard that the HDTV Xploder thing for the PS2 is pretty good for forcing games into Progressive Scan, and that most of the problems people have with it stem from going to the higher resolutions (720/1080). It seems like it would be a decent solution for me, since 480p looks good enough.

    Of course, the only game rendered totally unplayable is Guitar Hero. GH2 at least has a lag setting to compensate for the upscaling delay, but no such luck for GH1. Perhaps the Xploder thing could force it into 1080i. I could deal with weird video problems if it meant the game was actually playable.

    Has anyone actually tried this product out? I'd love to get some forumer feedback before I order it.


    Also, a lot of Dreamcast games run in 480p. Joy!

    Ikaruga + VGA out + standard CRT monitor that doesn't shift colors when it rotates = TEH WIN

    I spent an entire summer in college going back and forth between VGA Ikaruga and Wind Waker.

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    LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Stigma wrote:
    I can't afford an HD TV.
    Are you in the U.S.? HDTV start at, like, $400 nowadays.

    But yes, this is the divide in which we sit these days, and this is why I'm not too keen on picking up an HDTV right now -- or, at leasts, I wouldn't be tossing my old SDTV as I might have before. My PS2 is going to get plenty of use in the coming years.

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    mausmalonemausmalone Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Lunker wrote:
    Stigma wrote:
    I can't afford an HD TV.
    Are you in the U.S.? HDTV start at, like, $400 nowadays.

    But yes, this is the divide in which we sit these days, and this is why I'm not too keen on picking up an HDTV right now -- or, at leasts, I wouldn't be tossing my old SDTV as I might have before. My PS2 is going to get plenty of use in the coming years.

    $300 actually ... $350 if you aren't already a member. ($300 for TV, $50 for membership)

    I would seriously consider this if I didn't already have an HDTV.

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    NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Alec wrote:
    I think i remember seeing some software you could buy for your ps2 that forces nearly every game into progressive scan mode. Probably won't make it look any better than initially on an sdtv, but at least it won't look like ass on an hdtv.

    Anyone have any idea what the product was?

    BEHOLD MY IMMENSE INTELLIGENCE AND ENTIRELY ORIGINAL SOLUTION TO YOUR UNFORTUNATE PROBLEM.

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=147152

    word that's the one.




    DO NOT GET THAT THING

    EXAMPLE: If you select 1080i, it only SHRINKS THE IMAGE DOWN on your TV, making it sharper, but giving you a huge black border. It will literally shrink your screen size by like 30 inches.

    I've heard 540p is the only mode that works excellently, but I don't know of any HDs that have 540p.

    What if i'm just interested in 480p and 720p?

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    NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    anyone?

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