The entire premise of the Champions was "Who isn't on a team right now? Slap them together into this book!"
Basically.
And my mis-stating about their resemblence to the Defenders probably comes from my only exposure to the Defenders being the revolving cast of the 90's.
I'd love to see some development with Iceman. He had a little bit of growth in the 90's with his Japanese girlfriend saga, which was promptly forgotten, but I haven't seen/heard of anything else since then, aside from his powers going screwy again because of Mikhael (or was it Holocaust?).
The dude's an original X-Man and an Omega level mutant. Give him something to do beyond playing the little brother role. By now the guy is in his late 20's. And have Mike Carey write his book.
Put me down on the list of people who are confused that Iceman has never had anything significant done to him.
It's kind of like the Human Torch in FF -- it feels weird that an iconic, decades-old o.g. character is still acting like a goofy 16 year superhero pulling little pranks on his teammates and such.
His whole bit talking down mutant girl holding Dr. Rao was good, but the "I keep up a facade of cheerful stupidity for everyone else's sake" didn't strike me as likely to go anywhere in his characterization in the main X titles.
I'm sure that Emma and other super-powered telepaths have plenty of moments of self-doubt too, but they get written as using their powers in heavy duty ways nonetheless. Iceman is supposed to be an omega but he just slips and slides around on his ice slides and freezes supervillain mooks and makes corny jokes.
Put me down on the list of people who are confused that Iceman has never had anything significant done to him.
It's kind of like the Human Torch in FF -- it feels weird that an iconic, decades-old o.g. character is still acting like a goofy 16 year superhero pulling little pranks on his teammates and such.
His whole bit talking down mutant girl holding Dr. Rao was good, but the "I keep up a facade of cheerful stupidity for everyone else's sake" didn't strike me as likely to go anywhere in his characterization in the main X titles.
I'm sure that Emma and other super-powered telepaths have plenty of moments of self-doubt too, but they get written as using their powers in heavy duty ways nonetheless. Iceman is supposed to be an omega but he just slips and slides around on his ice slides and freezes supervillain mooks and makes corny jokes.
And Iceman has been around Cyclops enough to know how to lead a team by proxy, and the brief stuff Carey got to do with him was fun (he was basically Rogue's sounding board as to what to do, plus he got to bang Mystique).
I agree with the Human Torch angle, and even Torch got some time to shine in Waid's run, where he became a good businessman running the FF brand.
Have they explained why the X-Men are tolerating Dr. Rao on the island at all? Because for some reason it really bothers me a lot.
I know, right? Fuckin' [strike]flatscans[/strike] silly geese.
I had forgotten who she was but after re-reading about her I agree, it doesn't make sense that they'd be happy with her around. At best she would only be tolerated because Beast thought they should bring her in.
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You know, do Kyle and Yost have to make everything so bloody? Even beyond what was necessary for the Second Coming one-shot, there's a scene that you just go "why?"
The issue was ok, the main villains in the end I know nothing about since I don't read X-Force (well, I know who they are but the group they're in is bleh), a nice scene with Scott and Kurt talking about faith, and a nice scene with Namor. Finch skips on some of the art here, using the same panels and having no detail, and I swear he traced some Nightcrawler poses form his Ultimate X-Men work, but an average opening to the next X-Event.
edit: and I'll call it now, Hope will not be the fixer of the M-Day problem, just so everyone can yell at Cyclops and say he wasted too many lives and used people. She just slipped through the cracks of whatever magic Wanda will undo to be a hero again.
I liked everyone on Cyclops' "Alpha" team, but it seemed a bit redundant. Two wolverines, two teleporters and yet only one flyer, strong man and telepath?
That being said, Magik teleporting Colossus into the car and the following banter was neat.
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Well, considering they're going after the people trying to kill their messiah I'd want all the wolverines I could muster up. Scott needs people who are willing to get their hands dirty in order to what's necessary.
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Second Coming #1 was pretty awesome. I like the no-nonsense vibe going on there. Also, X-Force gets to shine outside of their book.
P.S. I love Dr. Rao as a character because she is the one non-bitchy member of Science Team, and Science Team needs one non-bitch for the sake of balance.
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P.S. I love Dr. Rao as a character because she is the one non-bitchy member of Science Team, and Science Team needs one non-bitch for the sake of balance.
After what she did in Astonishing, I figured that none of the X-Men would give her the time of day.
Just because she said their unique traits were an aberration and tried to cure their existence is no biggie. Water under the bridge!
Actually, I kind of liked that whole angle when she was introduced. The X-Men freaked out and thought she was pretty much just trolling them, then after her press conference there's a few hundred mutants in line outside her door. It was a rare treat to see two sides of an ideological standoff not instantly involve one of them turning into Hitler (lol civil warz).
Also, drastically reducing the number of mutants in the Marvel Universe by voluntary medical measures would have seemed much cooler to me than Scarlet Witch handwaving them out of the status quo like so many Spider-man marriages.
I'm just waiting for Dr. Nemesis to have a cranky day and kill everyone on the science team, then build a multiverse hopping machine and kill Marc Millar.
I liked the Second Coming one-shot, though it felt a bit too similar, both in terms of tone and plot (Hope on the run! Multiple groups racing to find her!), to Messiah Complex. (Which I suppose is fine for now: the story is obviously Messiah Complex 2 and this is only the first chapter, after all. Just saying.)
Loved Dr. Rao in the Astonishing Run, it was about time someone was like, "You know, this poor mutant whose *power* is to turn her nightmares real and kill her parents? Maybe she has a real need to get rid of her mutation and I'm not a silly goose for saying so." The X-Men really do come off like a bunch of whiners for a while in that story and I loved it.
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Loved Dr. Rao in the Astonishing Run, it was about time someone was like, "You know, this poor mutant whose *power* is to turn her nightmares real and kill her parents? Maybe she has a real need to get rid of her mutation and I'm not a silly goose for saying so." The X-Men really do come off like a bunch of whiners for a while in that story and I loved it.
And then it turns out that one of her heroes is apparently Mengele.
Loved Dr. Rao in the Astonishing Run, it was about time someone was like, "You know, this poor mutant whose *power* is to turn her nightmares real and kill her parents? Maybe she has a real need to get rid of her mutation and I'm not a silly goose for saying so." The X-Men really do come off like a bunch of whiners for a while in that story and I loved it.
And then it turns out that one of her heroes is apparently Mengele.
Where was this stated out of curiousity? Was she defending the so-called "results" that came from Mengele's psycho experiments?
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Loved Dr. Rao in the Astonishing Run, it was about time someone was like, "You know, this poor mutant whose *power* is to turn her nightmares real and kill her parents? Maybe she has a real need to get rid of her mutation and I'm not a silly goose for saying so." The X-Men really do come off like a bunch of whiners for a while in that story and I loved it.
And then it turns out that one of her heroes is apparently Mengele.
Where was this stated out of curiousity? Was she defending the so-called "results" that came from Mengele's psycho experiments?
Where the X-men are walking through her lab and there are all the mutant kids that were "experimented" on. Of course, She argues that she has no idea what went on, but she had to know where her samples were coming from, so she either knew, or didn't particularly give a shit where the results came from. And she was an expert in the field, so it's not like she was ignorant of the process. Also, the secret lab was right beneath her regular lab. Also, she was working with the alien that was explicitly trying to nullify the X-men and destroy Colossus, even though he was keeping Colossus alive, and experimenting on him himself, and so on.
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That...actually works out pretty well, yeah.
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Champions was Hercules, Black Widow, Ghost Rider, and Angel.
It was basically the Defenders.
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They also fought Godzilla
I don't see a resemblance to the Defenders.
Course, I don't see how a team like the Champions could exist at all.
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No it was also the first wast coast super hero team
And you forgot Iceman
And unofficial sixth member Goliath
Basically.
And my mis-stating about their resemblence to the Defenders probably comes from my only exposure to the Defenders being the revolving cast of the 90's.
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They were written by Bill Mantlo
Bill Mantlo
The dude's an original X-Man and an Omega level mutant. Give him something to do beyond playing the little brother role. By now the guy is in his late 20's. And have Mike Carey write his book.
It's kind of like the Human Torch in FF -- it feels weird that an iconic, decades-old o.g. character is still acting like a goofy 16 year superhero pulling little pranks on his teammates and such.
His whole bit talking down mutant girl holding Dr. Rao was good, but the "I keep up a facade of cheerful stupidity for everyone else's sake" didn't strike me as likely to go anywhere in his characterization in the main X titles.
I'm sure that Emma and other super-powered telepaths have plenty of moments of self-doubt too, but they get written as using their powers in heavy duty ways nonetheless. Iceman is supposed to be an omega but he just slips and slides around on his ice slides and freezes supervillain mooks and makes corny jokes.
And Iceman has been around Cyclops enough to know how to lead a team by proxy, and the brief stuff Carey got to do with him was fun (he was basically Rogue's sounding board as to what to do, plus he got to bang Mystique).
I agree with the Human Torch angle, and even Torch got some time to shine in Waid's run, where he became a good businessman running the FF brand.
I know, right? Fuckin' [strike]flatscans[/strike] silly geese.
I had forgotten who she was but after re-reading about her I agree, it doesn't make sense that they'd be happy with her around. At best she would only be tolerated because Beast thought they should bring her in.
The issue was ok, the main villains in the end I know nothing about since I don't read X-Force (well, I know who they are but the group they're in is bleh), a nice scene with Scott and Kurt talking about faith, and a nice scene with Namor. Finch skips on some of the art here, using the same panels and having no detail, and I swear he traced some Nightcrawler poses form his Ultimate X-Men work, but an average opening to the next X-Event.
edit: and I'll call it now, Hope will not be the fixer of the M-Day problem, just so everyone can yell at Cyclops and say he wasted too many lives and used people. She just slipped through the cracks of whatever magic Wanda will undo to be a hero again.
That being said, Magik teleporting Colossus into the car and the following banter was neat.
After what she did in Astonishing, I figured that none of the X-Men would give her the time of day.
Actually, I kind of liked that whole angle when she was introduced. The X-Men freaked out and thought she was pretty much just trolling them, then after her press conference there's a few hundred mutants in line outside her door. It was a rare treat to see two sides of an ideological standoff not instantly involve one of them turning into Hitler (lol civil warz).
Also, drastically reducing the number of mutants in the Marvel Universe by voluntary medical measures would have seemed much cooler to me than Scarlet Witch handwaving them out of the status quo like so many Spider-man marriages.
What is "technically" true about that, silly goose? I didn't see a Messiah Complex 3 subtitle anywhere in MY issue of Second Coming.
Nevermind.
Oh was that a joke DID I RUIN YOUR JOKE HENSLER
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And then it turns out that one of her heroes is apparently Mengele.
Where was this stated out of curiousity? Was she defending the so-called "results" that came from Mengele's psycho experiments?
Where the X-men are walking through her lab and there are all the mutant kids that were "experimented" on. Of course, She argues that she has no idea what went on, but she had to know where her samples were coming from, so she either knew, or didn't particularly give a shit where the results came from. And she was an expert in the field, so it's not like she was ignorant of the process. Also, the secret lab was right beneath her regular lab. Also, she was working with the alien that was explicitly trying to nullify the X-men and destroy Colossus, even though he was keeping Colossus alive, and experimenting on him himself, and so on.