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Genetic analysis, worthy investment or waste of money?

AstrocookieAstrocookie __BANNED USERS regular
edited February 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey guys lately I've been interested in getting some genetic testing done. I don't know much about biology but does anyone know if these would be accurate and worth the money or are they a waste of time? The ones I'm looking for are 23andMe and deCODEme, not sure if there are any others you may recommend. I'm interested in figuring out what diseases and cancers I might be susceptible to and if I may go bald or not. thanks

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  • FerrusFerrus Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    As far as I know those DNA-Testings are not worth it really. They can tell you about the possibilities of getting certain diseases but the statistics are mostly tampered with so they appear more significant.
    Wikipedia wrote:
    ]DTC testing involves many of the same risks associated with any genetic test. One of the more obvious and dangerous of these is the possibility of severe misreading of test results. Without professional guidance, consumers can potentially misinterpret genetic information, causing them to be deluded about their personal health.

    Some advertising for direct-to-consumer genetic testing has been criticized as conveying an exaggerated and inaccurate message about the connection between genetic information and disease risk, utilizing emotions as a selling factor. An advertisement for a BRCA-predictive genetic test for breast cancer stated: “There is no stronger antidote for fear than information.”

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  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Unequivocal waste of money unless you're looking for something in particular that you suspect is in your family.

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    psyck0 wrote: »
    Unequivocal waste of money unless you're looking for something in particular that you suspect is in your family.

    This. Also, has congress passed any protections so that your insurance company can't fuck you over based on genetic information? Because if insurance companies still can, there's a definite reason NOT to do that kind of testing.

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  • LeCausticLeCaustic Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hey guys lately I've been interested in getting some genetic testing done. I don't know much about biology but does anyone know if these would be accurate and worth the money or are they a waste of time? The ones I'm looking for are 23andMe and deCODEme, not sure if there are any others you may recommend. I'm interested in figuring out what diseases and cancers I might be susceptible to and if I may go bald or not. thanks

    I mean, for $500, it's not that bad of a price. People will argue its validity, but if you get a test that might carefully detect late-onset genetic disorders or cancers, then I say go for it. But I'd only do it if I know my family has a history/possible indication of a disorder. If it's something like Male pattern baldness, I wouldn't bother. But if my family has someone who had ataxia or huntingtons, then yes. ALSO, I would definitely say that the pros outweight the cons if you're considering having a child and want to know the possibility of hereditary disorders you might pass on.

    Again, $500 is pretty cheap considering how much it costs to run tests to diagnose cancer or any other disease. If you're really curious, I'd say do it. It can't hurt other than set you back $500, which in todays inflation-based time, isn't something worth crying about if you're living comfortably.

    (This is also someone who got a $4500 test to assess Sleep apnea, so yeah, that's a cheap test)

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  • AstrocookieAstrocookie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    Someone did bring up a good point, could this data in any way be put in the wrong hands and used against me?

    Though if the results are random crap anyway might not be worth it.

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  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    $500 is very cheap, you're right, but it's also likely a scam. Most of these companies that do "genetic testing" are.

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  • FerrusFerrus Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    The results will most likely be like this:

    You have a genetic anomaly that hightens the risk of getting <random illness> by x percent.

    What they won't tell you is how high that risk in general is. So even if you have a 200% higher chance of getting something, if the overall chance of getting it is something like 0,000035% it's still nothing to be concerned about.

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    And Disney World is nowhere in sight.
  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, wait a decade or two, or have it done on the advice of a doctor for a specific reason.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Even if you get this data it's nothing you are really going to be able to act on.

    Not only is genetic analysis still in its infancy, but let's say you DO have a genetic disorder... there isn't much you are going to be able to do about it except worry.


    I guess if you have the money then do it, but if not, there's better things you can do for your health.

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  • WalterWalter Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    As of January 18th Insurance companies in the US cannot use this information against you. However, its still completely legal for for a job not to hire you because you might cost them a lot in sick time/insurance. Also, if this information found its way to a health insurance company and you had a high risk defect, you can bet that they'll find a way to disqualify you.

    Its a personal choice, but I think its a waste of money and piece of mind.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2010
    Unless you are testing for something specific on the advice of a certified genetic counselor based on family history, waste of money.

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  • TrillianTrillian Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hello I am a geneticist in training and it is a waste to get tested unless there is a specific allele for a specific disease that you are concerned about. If you are an Ashkenazi Jew then go get tested for all the delightful recessive lethal genes present in that population. If you've got a family history of cancer get tested for a mutated p53 gene, BRCA, BCR, all that. If you're just wanting to get tested willy-nilly then save your money. Most diseases, traits and tendencies are the result of many genes in complex co-dominant epistatic and epigenetic relationships that those in the cutting edge of research are barely scratching the surface of. Genetic testing, if applied correctly may give you an answer in the department of offspring production, but it will not hive you a crystal ball into the future.

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  • GdiguyGdiguy San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Trillian wrote: »
    Hello I am a geneticist in training and it is a waste to get tested unless there is a specific allele for a specific disease that you are concerned about. If you are an Ashkenazi Jew then go get tested for all the delightful recessive lethal genes present in that population. If you've got a family history of cancer get tested for a mutated p53 gene, BRCA, BCR, all that. If you're just wanting to get tested willy-nilly then save your money. Most diseases, traits and tendencies are the result of many genes in complex co-dominant epistatic and epigenetic relationships that those in the cutting edge of research are barely scratching the surface of. Genetic testing, if applied correctly may give you an answer in the department of offspring production, but it will not hive you a crystal ball into the future.

    Now I'll give you the opposite "most optimistic" benefit view:

    1) There are certain alleles that are actually linked closely enough to diseases that, if you found out you had enough of them, could be enough to make some sort of lifestyle change worthwhile

    2) There are more and more studies coming out all the time that link specific alleles to specific phenotypes that, while maybe have a 1/1000 chance of being useful to you, do have that possibility (for example, there are some genotypes that are associated with better / worse responses to certain drugs, so if you knew you had them you might choose one medication over another)

    3) If you're the kind of person that will see something like "you have a 2.5% higher risk for heart disease" and think "ok, maybe this will be the motivation I need to start exercising more", then it wouldn't be terrible


    Of course, the truth is really that this field is in its infancy, and from a medical perspective you're unlikely to get anything actionable or useful out of it. Right now, the 23andMe analysis is awesome if you're interested in geneology / family history / tracing ancestory kind of things, but in terms of medical usefulness it's not really that great. (And this is more of a problem with the current state of human genetics than a problem with the technology specifically; even for something like height, which we know is very heritable, the best single genetic changes that link to height explain something like ~2% of the variance in heights).

    In another 5 years or so, this is very likely to be completely different (both because a) gene therapy is nudging the edge of being possible, and b) more and more large-scale linkage experiments are being done to link traits with genotypes), but for now you're unlikely to get $500 worth of MEDICAL usefulness out of it (and I say this despite having heard a couple talks about the analysis discussed at http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090810162007.htm , specifically the part discussing predisposition to responses to cholesterol drugs)

    And of course, if the opposite of 3) is true, then you should stay the hell away. This is basically the worst-case scenario for someone who is a hypochondriac - you'll find out all sorts of things that you have a 1% higher or lower risk for, which is probably less than the risk added by the choice of drinking soda or water for lunch. If you can think reasonably and understand that very small risks are something to consider and file in the back of your head but not go crazy about, then it's fine; if you're going to go on a health binge because you have a couple alleles that put you at a 1% higher risk of high cholesterol (or the reverse, that because you have a 2% link to lower cholesterol, you'll decide to forgo your diet and eat cheeseburgers every night), then it's a terrible idea

    (yeah, i'm doing a phd in this general area, so i'm paying more attention to this stuff than i probably should)

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  • RaekreuRaekreu Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    psyck0 wrote: »
    Unequivocal waste of money unless you're looking for something in particular that you suspect is in your family.


    Precisely this. The only thing I would add is that a lot of the things that you're interested in learning can probably be gleaned by taking a look at your family's history - check out your relatives and note what they passed away from or what they are having to deal with as they've gotten older. If your great grandparents all died of heart attacks, you probably want to cut down on the salt and avoid smoking. Likewise, if they all died of one specific type of cancer, you may want to go in for testing earlier than usual. If you are worried about baldness, assuming you're male, look to your male relatives and your maternal grandmother. If they're all bald/balding, you may want to invest in some Rogaine.

    The only time I'd see the gene screening being worthwhile is if you don't know anything about your family. And even then, I don't see how $500 could be anywhere near enough to give an accurate assessment. For all you know they could be spending the money on hot pockets and pot and sending you a carbon copy of some other persons legitimate (and more expensive) gene screening.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Gdiguy wrote: »
    Trillian wrote: »
    Hello I am a geneticist in training and it is a waste to get tested unless there is a specific allele for a specific disease that you are concerned about. If you are an Ashkenazi Jew then go get tested for all the delightful recessive lethal genes present in that population. If you've got a family history of cancer get tested for a mutated p53 gene, BRCA, BCR, all that. If you're just wanting to get tested willy-nilly then save your money. Most diseases, traits and tendencies are the result of many genes in complex co-dominant epistatic and epigenetic relationships that those in the cutting edge of research are barely scratching the surface of. Genetic testing, if applied correctly may give you an answer in the department of offspring production, but it will not hive you a crystal ball into the future.

    Now I'll give you the opposite "most optimistic" benefit view:

    1) There are certain alleles that are actually linked closely enough to diseases that, if you found out you had enough of them, could be enough to make some sort of lifestyle change worthwhile

    2) There are more and more studies coming out all the time that link specific alleles to specific phenotypes that, while maybe have a 1/1000 chance of being useful to you, do have that possibility (for example, there are some genotypes that are associated with better / worse responses to certain drugs, so if you knew you had them you might choose one medication over another)

    3) If you're the kind of person that will see something like "you have a 2.5% higher risk for heart disease" and think "ok, maybe this will be the motivation I need to start exercising more", then it wouldn't be terrible


    Of course, the truth is really that this field is in its infancy, and from a medical perspective you're unlikely to get anything actionable or useful out of it. Right now, the 23andMe analysis is awesome if you're interested in geneology / family history / tracing ancestory kind of things, but in terms of medical usefulness it's not really that great. (And this is more of a problem with the current state of human genetics than a problem with the technology specifically; even for something like height, which we know is very heritable, the best single genetic changes that link to height explain something like ~2% of the variance in heights).

    In another 5 years or so, this is very likely to be completely different (both because a) gene therapy is nudging the edge of being possible, and b) more and more large-scale linkage experiments are being done to link traits with genotypes), but for now you're unlikely to get $500 worth of MEDICAL usefulness out of it (and I say this despite having heard a couple talks about the analysis discussed at http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090810162007.htm , specifically the part discussing predisposition to responses to cholesterol drugs)
    I highly doubt those companies test for cutting edge genetic analysis. These tests are as useful as homeopathic remedies. Do not waste your money on a pay-for-play testing.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    In fact, having a good patient history and moderate records of family disease history nullify this stuff completely.

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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Not really worth it imo. If your family has a known issue, then you should be acting accordingly without having to take any tests. If you aren't going to do that, then you aren't going to do anything with some test results about your predispositions.

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