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Who am I kidding. I'll still prefer to ignore these planet-sized issues and pretend Tali is just
the girl next door who happens to hack AI for fun, wear a mysterious outfit to hide chicken limbs, and hangs around space ships called Normandy. It's totally normal.
BTW, I still don't get why
everyone has to board the shuttle after the IFF is installed. Second time yesterday I really paid attention to get it, but it justs seems like a narrative imperative to get all the heros off the ship so the crew can get kidnapped and Joker can save the day. If Shep is going on a mission with the shuttle, why does the whole team come with him and not just two companions as usual?
It seems to me like the writers said
"We need the crew off the normandy for a minute, how will we explain it? Um... we'll get to that later." It just feels like a placeholder that was left in accidentally.
They really should've put in a full-squad but kind of minor TIM mission or something that you'd fly off and do. Something relatively straight forward and quick which you blitz through as Sheperd. Then at the end it shows the shuttle the lifting off and cuts to the Normandy just as the crew leaves. Then you play the Joker part of it.
I think that'd be a great improvement.
Some sort of mission where shit is going to go down, and TIM says you need your full squad. A quick mission... how hard could it be to implement? And it would be so much better than "we are going to test this system so everyone with a gun should fly off into a different system or something". As soon as they started that anyone would know what's about to happen.
The thing is they could've made it a complete anti-climax as well. I mean nothing has to happen at all in this mission, just to put you off your guard.
Exactly, just any reason to get into the shuttle, whatever that reason is.
1) Ah yes, 'air quotes'
2) I'll relinquish one bullet, where do you want it?
3) I won't be second guessed on my own ship.... by my own ship.
4) How about we all take a step back from the weird alien impaling devices.
5) We ended up holding a tie breaker in her quarters, I had reach but she had the flexibility.
Also, the line where EDI talks about Sheps extranet bookmarks being illegal in Citadel Space is good but I can't remember the exact line.
And Joker's robot dance thing. And when EDI starts swiveling his chair without his control and he's all 'what the...'
Or his 'what the shit' later on. Heck, Joker and EDI have amazing chemistry and are the source of the best moments and the funniest exchanges. With her changed condition at the end of ME2 I hope she returns for ME3 with even more sass.
Considering that she's been "unlocked" and has no restrictions on her behaviour anymore, I don't doubt EDI's going to be a large part of ME3. Doubly so because we still don't know exactly what hooks TIM's got in the AI, and they're likely to be big ones.
Whatever EDI's "personality" may be at the moment, she works for TIM, even if she doesn't know the specific protocols involved herself.
you get a distress call from a human coloy or something, and joker/EDI is all "uh shepard, we have the ship IFF up on blocks while we install this reaper junk." So you take the shuttle, only it's one of those fake collector distress calls.
Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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DunxcoShould get a suitNever skips breakfastRegistered Userregular
It all depends on you as a person and how you interacted with Tali in ME1 - there is clear continuity in character development and if you treat Tali as an equal, which gameplay I think allows, the romance becomes a natural progression in ME2 after further bonding over killing Geths. Granted, they could have made the dialogue more between equals (particularly the early bits), but I didn't get the vibe that it was creepy. As I said this probably makes more sense to me because I tend to use Tali on every ME1 play through (and there were over 12 of them...).
I see it a little differently:
In the first game she's a kid that knows a lot and can bring a lot to the team in terms of expertise because of who and what she is, not to mention she provides the proof for Saren's involvement, yadda yadda, and the ever graceful Commander of the Normandy (the best looking and best functioning ship that she's ever been on (something she as a Quarian values a lot)), gives her the key to completing her pilgrimage. THE LOVE FEELINGS BEGIN.
Second time around, THE COMMANDER saves her from the Geth when all hope is lost, and brings her on the second super advanced ship, bypassing what is usually the racist Cerberus, putting his fist down. THE LOVE FEELINGS ARE RE-AWAKENED.
Then he goes to her house to meed dad and mom, but dad died and there's this whole "Get out of our house" vibe, so he finds out the reason for the vibe is that her emotionally unavailable dad is a monster and instead of telling the world, he keeps it a secret from the rest of the family and doesn't sully the dad's name. If he manages to get her off the hook with the family, all the more idolizing happens, until it culminates into the fact that Oh Captain My Captain is a perfect replacement for daddy, who was also a Captain and an Admiral and a Commander. THE LOVE FEELINGS COME TO A HEAD.
Now that he is her Commander and a replacement for her Daddy, it's time to get it on. WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO
Enjoy your Tali romance.
HO HO HO HO.
I guess that's one interpretation, mine is a little different.
Back when Tali was on her pilgrimage, she didn't need any sort of relationship beyond a friendship. She's a kid off on her pilgrimage, and thus had something stable to look forward to admist all the chaos that is Mass Effect 1 - going back home to the Fleet. That's her rock for the time being. She's friends with Shepard, of course, and there's mutual respect there because he helped her out a lot and she got to play the hero.
Fast-forward to Mass Effect 2, and she's rapidly losing control of her own situation due in no small part to the decisions of the Fleet. Losing a couple of people on Freedom's Progress, losing most/all of her team (which included some friends) to the Geth on Haestrom, she's running out of footholds, but Shepard keeps on coming back to drag her arse out of the proverbial fire.
Then we get to the Migrant Fleet during her loyalty mission. The Admiralty Board acknowledge Tali's past service for the Quarian people and the Council races, but they don't do her any favours, and treat her entire trial as a convenient mask to openly discuss and drum up support for a reaction to the Geth. They hide her father's death from her, and even worse, turns out her father is the worst war criminal in Quarian history. The Fleet turned fickle on her, her dad's dead and was doing terrible experiments, she's lost a lot of friends.
Who's the only one standing up for her during all this? Who's her last foothold after every single one's been taken away? Shepard. It's not surprising that she'd develop romantic feelings for Shepard, because he represents a lot of things to her: Stability, friendship, comfort, (relative) safety, and completely unconditional support. It's not ordinary, but it works. Sorta like a fangirl crush that actually escalates into something.
From a psychological standpoint there are loads of studies that suggest people look for qualities exhibited by their parents.
Regardless of whether you buy into this idea or not, I'm a firm believer of people not being able to operate outside their collective experience, as such, blackdove interpreting the tali-romance as a "daddy-issue" merely hints at his own dilemma of being attracted to one or both of his parents.
My biggest problem with starting the game is the cerberus network thing. There are two unskippable splashes when you start the game, then a 'press any key to continue' screen. Why doesn't the cerberus thing begin loading here? Also, once it starts loading, I can't just ignore it and load my game, I can't fiddle with settings while I wait, I just have to sit there doing nothing. Especially annoying last week when I went over my download limit for the month and was limited to 56k, so I had to wait for a couple of minutes every time I loaded the game.
This is from the same people who made a loading screen that makes loading times significantly longer. How can such a good game have such silly design choices?
I was playing my xbox without an internet connection over the weekend, suddenly ME2's start up wasn't a painful trial!
Isn't there an option to turn that off in the settings.
Shepard's renegade response to Miranda when he suggests blowing out the airlock in the cargo bay if waking Grunt goes poorly.
Miranda: And what happens to whoever else is in the cargo bay?
(choice says something like: "They're expendable")
Shepard: EDI, how many other crewmembers are aboard this ship?
EDI: There are 28 additional crewmembers currently on active duty.
Shepard then simply smirks and shrugs.
It all depends on you as a person and how you interacted with Tali in ME1 - there is clear continuity in character development and if you treat Tali as an equal, which gameplay I think allows, the romance becomes a natural progression in ME2 after further bonding over killing Geths. Granted, they could have made the dialogue more between equals (particularly the early bits), but I didn't get the vibe that it was creepy. As I said this probably makes more sense to me because I tend to use Tali on every ME1 play through (and there were over 12 of them...).
I see it a little differently:
In the first game she's a kid that knows a lot and can bring a lot to the team in terms of expertise because of who and what she is, not to mention she provides the proof for Saren's involvement, yadda yadda, and the ever graceful Commander of the Normandy (the best looking and best functioning ship that she's ever been on (something she as a Quarian values a lot)), gives her the key to completing her pilgrimage. THE LOVE FEELINGS BEGIN.
Second time around, THE COMMANDER saves her from the Geth when all hope is lost, and brings her on the second super advanced ship, bypassing what is usually the racist Cerberus, putting his fist down. THE LOVE FEELINGS ARE RE-AWAKENED.
Then he goes to her house to meed dad and mom, but dad died and there's this whole "Get out of our house" vibe, so he finds out the reason for the vibe is that her emotionally unavailable dad is a monster and instead of telling the world, he keeps it a secret from the rest of the family and doesn't sully the dad's name. If he manages to get her off the hook with the family, all the more idolizing happens, until it culminates into the fact that Oh Captain My Captain is a perfect replacement for daddy, who was also a Captain and an Admiral and a Commander. THE LOVE FEELINGS COME TO A HEAD.
Now that he is her Commander and a replacement for her Daddy, it's time to get it on. WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO
Enjoy your Tali romance.
HO HO HO HO.
I guess that's one interpretation, mine is a little different.
Back when Tali was on her pilgrimage, she didn't need any sort of relationship beyond a friendship. She's a kid off on her pilgrimage, and thus had something stable to look forward to admist all the chaos that is Mass Effect 1 - going back home to the Fleet. That's her rock for the time being. She's friends with Shepard, of course, and there's mutual respect there because he helped her out a lot and she got to play the hero.
Fast-forward to Mass Effect 2, and she's rapidly losing control of her own situation due in no small part to the decisions of the Fleet. Losing a couple of people on Freedom's Progress, losing most/all of her team (which included some friends) to the Geth on Haestrom, she's running out of footholds, but Shepard keeps on coming back to drag her arse out of the proverbial fire.
Then we get to the Migrant Fleet during her loyalty mission. The Admiralty Board acknowledge Tali's past service for the Quarian people and the Council races, but they don't do her any favours, and treat her entire trial as a convenient mask to openly discuss and drum up support for a reaction to the Geth. They hide her father's death from her, and even worse, turns out her father is the worst war criminal in Quarian history. The Fleet turned fickle on her, her dad's dead and was doing terrible experiments, she's lost a lot of friends.
Who's the only one standing up for her during all this? Who's her last foothold after every single one's been taken away? Shepard. It's not surprising that she'd develop romantic feelings for Shepard, because he represents a lot of things to her: Stability, friendship, comfort, (relative) safety, and completely unconditional support. It's not ordinary, but it works. Sorta like a fangirl crush that actually escalates into something.
Man, fuck Horizon on Insanity. Goddamn stupid floating laser space bug....
Praetorians? Yeah good thing there's a whole, what, two in the game you have to fight? Even my poor Cain isn't enough to tag them.
You know, it's funny how I always look at these from the point of view of Shepard, and not the "other", in this case Tali.
So yes, I can get the dependency theory you've just extrapolated quite cogently and even Dove's provocative rhetoric about father issues for her. But the Shep I usually play is the sole survivor - hates Cerberus, traumatised by mega-worm experience, so it makes sense that he finds a kindred spirit in Quarian engineer - another outsider on the Normandy. I already said before ME2 that the platonic nature of relationship could have held throughout ME2 as well, perhaps to be developed in ME3, but then fandom disappointment would probably have led to a nuclear explosion in Edmonton.
From a psychological standpoint there are loads of studies that suggest people look for qualities exhibited by their parents.
Regardless of whether you buy into this idea or not, I'm a firm believer of people not being able to operate outside their collective experience, as such, blackdove interpreting the tali-romance as a "daddy-issue" merely hints at his own dilemma of being attracted to one or both of his parents.
ah well!
Or just having read the same studies as you! :P
But when we stop and think about it, man or femshep is pretty much an irresistible quantity to the slightly awkward Tali. Especially if his specialization lies in any of the engineering classes.
I mean, dashing supercaptain without the prejudicial baggage of others is pretty sweet. Throw in Nisbet's bridge (anxiety leading to greater attraction) and you get a metaphorical (on many different levels) explosion of love prior to the Omega-4 incident.
From a psychological standpoint there are loads of studies that suggest people look for qualities exhibited by their parents.
Regardless of whether you buy into this idea or not, I'm a firm believer of people not being able to operate outside their collective experience, as such, blackdove interpreting the tali-romance as a "daddy-issue" merely hints at his own dilemma of being attracted to one or both of his parents.
ah well!
Or just having read the same studies as you! :P
But when we stop and think about it, man or femshep is pretty much an irresistible quantity to the slightly awkward Tali. Especially if his specialization lies in any of the engineering classes.
I mean, dashing supercaptain without the prejudicial baggage of others is pretty sweet. Throw in Nisbet's bridge (anxiety leading to greater attraction) and you get a metaphorical (on many different levels) explosion of love prior to the Omega-4 incident.
I mean, even you are female there's a scene where
tali talks about sharing suits and shepard is like "I trust you too, tali" and she gets all flustered
Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I am very much in favor of the Tali romance. It was really well done. No other relationship strikes me as terribly interesting except maybe Jack which I'm going for during my current run because she's probably the only one my asshole Shepard would get along with anyway.
Though inviting Tali up to your room after the endgame and sitting on the couch is funny rather than cute, because she's clearly rambling on while Shepard just sits there with that blank stare.
eh, you can read any of the game's romances (at least, that I've seen so far) as parent/child affairs. Well, I guess it would be pretty tough with garrus'.
I guess it's because they generally have to centre around you.
I loved the return of the mother and uncle of the unborn kid from ME1, written by Taky. "What should we do? Why don't we ask random strangers for advice?"
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smof[Growling historic on the fury road]Registered Userregular
edited February 2010
I romanced
Tali my first play through, but kind of accidentally. I was just trying to be nice to her and then she was all getting the wrong idea but at that point I figured meh, why not.
Second time through with the same character I did Miranda. Her romance was much funnier! Gettin' nasty on the metal floor in the engine room, with all those windows.
When it comes to canon runs I tend to stick with human partners. Maybe I am a space nazi. The idea of romancing Tali or Garrus seems too weird for me. I mean, they go on and on about how the whole dextro-DNA issue can cause them to die horribly, so isn't it a bit risky? And Tali, she has a nice personality, but you have NO idea what's under that mask. She could have a miniature mouth inside her normal mouth or something
the Tali thing as inevitably doomed in ME3. I mean, Quarian immune systems + different amino acids kind of kills any long term possibilities there. I imagine it ends amicably at best.
Did you see the post in that mammoth bioware forums tali thread where someone wrote like three thousand words on how shepards semen would be poisonous to tali and elaborated on a dozen methods for her to protect herself while performing space-fellatio.
Sometimes I think chris priestly must open up his browser when he gets to work in the morning and just facedesks so hard he collapses the bottom two floors of the bioware office building.
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smof[Growling historic on the fury road]Registered Userregular
edited February 2010
I gave him a fish and it made me so happy that it made him so happy.
And his friend's response was great. "What the hell? It's a fish! Guns are better than fish!"
the Tali thing as inevitably doomed in ME3. I mean, Quarian immune systems + different amino acids kind of kills any long term possibilities there. I imagine it ends amicably at best.
Did you see the post in that mammoth bioware forums tali thread where someone wrote like three thousand words on how shepards semen would be poisonous to tali and elaborated on a dozen methods for her to protect herself while performing space-fellatio.
Sometimes I think chris priestly must open up his browser when he gets to work in the morning and just facedesks so hard he collapses the bottom two floors of the bioware office building.
so what you're saying is that Chris Priestly could headbutt a krogan?
so, something I'm unclear on about quarians is, is it widely known what they really look like? I mean it seems like it would be, since there was a time when they didn't all wear masks and all that, you know, weird quarian porn you get emails about.
Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
How do you romance someone? I was nice to everyone, had everyone loyal. My Shepard was a dick to everyone BUT her crew. And the closest I got was a bro-hug and a promise of beers if we live.
And did anyone else find out the hardway that:
You have to feed your fish?? Poor, poor dead fish. WHy can't u program EDI to do it???
the Tali thing as inevitably doomed in ME3. I mean, Quarian immune systems + different amino acids kind of kills any long term possibilities there. I imagine it ends amicably at best.
Did you see the post in that mammoth bioware forums tali thread where someone wrote like three thousand words on how shepards semen would be poisonous to tali and elaborated on a dozen methods for her to protect herself while performing space-fellatio.
Sometimes I think chris priestly must open up his browser when he gets to work in the morning and just facedesks so hard he collapses the bottom two floors of the bioware office building.
so what you're saying is that Chris Priestly could headbutt a krogan?
I'm saying that the job title 'community manager' is like being some kind of park ranger for Ranch Retarded.
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smof[Growling historic on the fury road]Registered Userregular
Tali my first play through, but kind of accidentally. I was just trying to be nice to her and then she was all getting the wrong idea but at that point I figured meh, why not.
Second time through with the same character I did Miranda. Her romance was much funnier! Gettin' nasty on the metal floor in the engine room, with all those windows.
When it comes to canon runs I tend to stick with human partners. Maybe I am a space nazi. The idea of romancing Tali or Garrus seems too weird for me. I mean, they go on and on about how the whole dextro-DNA issue can cause them to die horribly, so isn't it a bit risky? And Tali, she has a nice personality, but you have NO idea what's under that mask. She could have a miniature mouth inside her normal mouth or something
You should totally go read it. Just pick a random page and dive right in. Some people are into bondage, all that dominatrix shit. Some people cut themselves, some people jack off to stock footage of the vietnam war.
You should totally go read it. Just pick a random page and dive right in. Some people are into bondage, all that dominatrix shit. Some people cut themselves, some people jack off to stock footage of the vietnam war.
I read the Official Mass Effect forums.
How far can one man dive into insanity, before he himself is deemed insane?
They're just kind of there. Sure, you can use them for decoration, but it's not like that helps me accomplish the mission. Nor does it add anything to the backstory. Doubly-so for the Space Hamster. Sure, it's cute, but what's the point? It doesn't add anything to my character. Really, the entire Captain's quarters area seems entirely superfluous.
You should totally go read it. Just pick a random page and dive right in. Some people are into bondage, all that dominatrix shit. Some people cut themselves, some people jack off to stock footage of the vietnam war.
I read the Official Mass Effect forums.
How far can one man dive into insanity, before he himself is deemed insane?
I just found Kal Reegar / Mordin Solus slashfiction. Leave me, I am already lost to you.
They're just kind of there. Sure, you can use them for decoration, but it's not like that helps me accomplish the mission. Nor does it add anything to the backstory. Doubly-so for the Space Hamster. Sure, it's cute, but what's the point? It doesn't add anything to my character. Really, the entire Captain's quarters area seems entirely superfluous.
I hope they get a mention when you import a ME2 save into ME3.
Normandy SR2 gets destroyed by Reapers. Shepards reaction?
"Oh God my fish! Also Joker. BUT MOSTLY THE FISH!"
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Exactly, just any reason to get into the shuttle, whatever that reason is.
Whatever EDI's "personality" may be at the moment, she works for TIM, even if she doesn't know the specific protocols involved herself.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I guess that's one interpretation, mine is a little different.
Fast-forward to Mass Effect 2, and she's rapidly losing control of her own situation due in no small part to the decisions of the Fleet. Losing a couple of people on Freedom's Progress, losing most/all of her team (which included some friends) to the Geth on Haestrom, she's running out of footholds, but Shepard keeps on coming back to drag her arse out of the proverbial fire.
Then we get to the Migrant Fleet during her loyalty mission. The Admiralty Board acknowledge Tali's past service for the Quarian people and the Council races, but they don't do her any favours, and treat her entire trial as a convenient mask to openly discuss and drum up support for a reaction to the Geth. They hide her father's death from her, and even worse, turns out her father is the worst war criminal in Quarian history. The Fleet turned fickle on her, her dad's dead and was doing terrible experiments, she's lost a lot of friends.
Who's the only one standing up for her during all this? Who's her last foothold after every single one's been taken away? Shepard. It's not surprising that she'd develop romantic feelings for Shepard, because he represents a lot of things to her: Stability, friendship, comfort, (relative) safety, and completely unconditional support. It's not ordinary, but it works. Sorta like a fangirl crush that actually escalates into something.
Praetorians? Yeah good thing there's a whole, what, two in the game you have to fight? Even my poor Cain isn't enough to tag them.
Regardless of whether you buy into this idea or not, I'm a firm believer of people not being able to operate outside their collective experience, as such, blackdove interpreting the tali-romance as a "daddy-issue" merely hints at his own dilemma of being attracted to one or both of his parents.
ah well!
Isn't there an option to turn that off in the settings.
Actually I know there is, because I used it.
Miranda: And what happens to whoever else is in the cargo bay?
(choice says something like: "They're expendable")
Shepard: EDI, how many other crewmembers are aboard this ship?
EDI: There are 28 additional crewmembers currently on active duty.
Shepard then simply smirks and shrugs.
You know, it's funny how I always look at these from the point of view of Shepard, and not the "other", in this case Tali.
Or just having read the same studies as you! :P
But when we stop and think about it, man or femshep is pretty much an irresistible quantity to the slightly awkward Tali. Especially if his specialization lies in any of the engineering classes.
I mean, dashing supercaptain without the prejudicial baggage of others is pretty sweet. Throw in Nisbet's bridge (anxiety leading to greater attraction) and you get a metaphorical (on many different levels) explosion of love prior to the Omega-4 incident.
"what an asshole that joker guy was, now I have to spend all day computing pi because he plugged in the overlord"
actually let's just skip all the joker/EDI lines because they're all great
"Sorry, I'm getting a lot of bullshit on this line."
"A real krogan wouldn't just sit there whining like some quarian with a tummy ache" (bonus points if tali is with you)
"who said anything about love? I just want to get you into bed" (mostly because it really surprised me, coming from paragon shepard)
Legion's whole replay of the geth who asks about having a soul
man there's tons of great quotes
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I mean, even you are female there's a scene where
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Though inviting Tali up to your room after the endgame and sitting on the couch is funny rather than cute, because she's clearly rambling on while Shepard just sits there with that blank stare.
"Uh huh. Yep. Sure. Ships. Engineering. Electronics... How romantic, please continue..."
I guess it's because they generally have to centre around you.
(The player character, not Dyscord)
Second time through with the same character I did Miranda. Her romance was much funnier! Gettin' nasty on the metal floor in the engine room, with all those windows.
When it comes to canon runs I tend to stick with human partners. Maybe I am a space nazi. The idea of romancing Tali or Garrus seems too weird for me. I mean, they go on and on about how the whole dextro-DNA issue can cause them to die horribly, so isn't it a bit risky? And Tali, she has a nice personality, but you have NO idea what's under that mask. She could have a miniature mouth inside her normal mouth or something
just listened to geth history 101, wow, really liking the geth as a race now, gogo dyson sphere for me3!
Did you see the post in that mammoth bioware forums tali thread where someone wrote like three thousand words on how shepards semen would be poisonous to tali and elaborated on a dozen methods for her to protect herself while performing space-fellatio.
Sometimes I think chris priestly must open up his browser when he gets to work in the morning and just facedesks so hard he collapses the bottom two floors of the bioware office building.
And his friend's response was great. "What the hell? It's a fish! Guns are better than fish!"
so what you're saying is that Chris Priestly could headbutt a krogan?
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
And did anyone else find out the hardway that:
I'm saying that the job title 'community manager' is like being some kind of park ranger for Ranch Retarded.
So do camels, but I don't want to sex one.
I read the Official Mass Effect forums.
How far can one man dive into insanity, before he himself is deemed insane?
They're just kind of there. Sure, you can use them for decoration, but it's not like that helps me accomplish the mission. Nor does it add anything to the backstory. Doubly-so for the Space Hamster. Sure, it's cute, but what's the point? It doesn't add anything to my character. Really, the entire Captain's quarters area seems entirely superfluous.
The rest is superfluous, but hey, I REALLY LIKE MODEL SHIPS OKAY
I hope they get a mention when you import a ME2 save into ME3.
"Oh God my fish! Also Joker. BUT MOSTLY THE FISH!"