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BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is MandatoryRegistered User regular
edited March 2010 in Games and Technology
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Old thing.


Second thread dedicated to TF2 map creators, plug-in makers, and all other contributors. Thanks for making this a better place to live.

If you have something you really need me to add to the OP or update, PM me.




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So you want to play competitive tf2?
This guide will set up you up with the basics on how to get in on some quick 6v6 competitive play without having to committ to a clan, schedule, practice, etc. This is purely for 6v6 and not Highlander (9v9 with a class limit of 1 for each class) because I do not believe highlander has their own pug gather system yet.

PUG stands for Pick Up Group, which is what it sounds like; A group of players interested in playing a tight 6v6 game. The 'gather' system is a system built into the #tf2.pug IRC channel that automatically assembles players who've opted in into teams and provides a server with league rules to play on.

This is done through 2 programs:

-Mumble, for voice chat
-IRC, for the gather system.

Personally, I love getting in a few 6v6 matches here and there, especially when the PA servers are empty. It's active at all times of the day, and you'll be set against players of a wide range of skill, ranging from merely interested folk like maybe yourself, to ESEA and CEVO level players.

As well, I think the gather system is a great way for people who knock 6v6 or have the wrong impressions about it to try it out for themselves and see what people like myself mean when we described it as just another level of play.

IRC
Open up your preferred IRC client it, be it something like mibbit.com or mIRC.

You need to connect to the irc.gamesurge.net server, and go into channel #tf2.pug

There is also a #tf2.pug.na channel, but its regulars are a bit more advanced, most coming from the top place teams, so #tf2.pug is much more entry level, which is what you'll want if you're looking to get into 6v6. Being immediately put up against slardel when you're a scout isn't going to do much good for your skills or your love of the game.

Mumble
Mumble is a third party voice chat software similar to Ventrilo and is used for communicating with your teammates during the match. Every team, clan, what have you uses a third party voice chat program instead of the ingame voice because it allows you to communicate when you are dead ingame.

Mumble is preferred over Ventrilo because of its ease of use and it provides several nifty features like an ingame overlay and pop-up messages telling you who's coming and going.

Download Mumble Here

Once installed it just needs some basic set up, and will ask you to create a certificate. Just enter in a name and an email, and then save it on your Desktop or any other place you keep misc. files.

Once you have Mumble set up, you will want to hit 'Add New' and enter in the relevant information. The tf2pug mumble server is:

Voice server IP : mumble.tf2pug.org:64738
Password : tf2pug

You'll want to keep the username you use in mumble and the server the same as the one you use ingame and in the tf2pug IRC channel so you can be easily identified. You will also want to stay in the 'Root' channel until you are assigned a game. Each of the respective channels (Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta) are server locations and each have a Red and Blue channel which you'll use during the matches

It may ask you if you want to run Mumble in compatibility mode when entering the server, just say yes to that.

First thing you'll want to do is make sure your Mumble is set to 'Push to Talk' instead of 'Voice Activity'. If you have it set to 'Voice Activity', your mic will turn on whenever you say anything without having to press a button, which can be annoying for your teammates.

Just goto Configure > Settings
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and under Audio Input changed the Transmit drop down box to Push to Talk. Hit Apply.
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Then goto Shortcuts along the left side, and hit add. It will add a new field into the white box. Double click on the 'Unassigned' and change it to Push to Talk, then double click the blank field under shortcut and select what button you want to use with the voice activation.
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And that's it!


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Getting into a match
So now that that is all set up, you're ready to look for a game.

Once you enter the #tf2.pug channel, the first thing you typically do is type !players
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This will show you everyone who is queued up to play and what as. Because this is basic 6v6, the class layout that is supported in the pug channel is:
2 Scouts
2 Soldiers
1 Demo
1 Medic

Once there are enough of the above for two teams, the game will start. To add yourself to the queue, just type !add [yourclass]
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I am now added to the match queue.

Now you simply wait. The queue will fill up with 12 players, and the following message will appear
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It will then sort you into teams
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You may sometimes get a message similar to this:
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All you have to do is type !ready into the #tf2.pug channel and it will leave you in the match

Your final message will be:
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This provides the ip and password of the server you will be playing on, but as well as the mumble room you will be using. In this instance, I will be using the Altanta 1 room, under Red team. Connect to the ip, get on your assigned team, and wait for everyone else to get ready


The Game
So as we know, the standard class make up is as follows:
2 Scouts
2 Soldiers
1 Demo
1 Medic

Demo and medic are limited to 1 per team, and everything else is limited to 2, but you won't see much deviation from this. The most common change is one scout switching to sniper on maps like badlands, gravelpit, or well. Heavies and engies are rare but still appear when some last ditch defense is needed
on gravelpit or badlands, typically when you're down to your last point. Pyros and spies are sometimes used to try and kill the opposing team's medic quickly in a clutch play situation.

The maps you will be playing on mostly are:
cp_badlands
cp_granary
cp_follower
cp_well
cp_gravelpit
sometimes cp_yukon

These are the maps that have just been found to be the most balanced and enjoyable, offering some great back and forth play over the center and second to last points. cp_follower is a custom map that combines the spawn areas of granary with a middle area similar to badlands. It is very fun and worth having in your maps folder.

In terms of gameplay, no matter what class you are, conservation is the key. The only outright battles you'll be fighting are in the opening minutes on the middle point and in pushes (either uber, counter, or when opposing team's medic is down). With everything else, you should be holding back, building uber, sticking with teammates and trying to pick off a few members of the enemy team. Never try to engage alone unless you're a decent scout. Attempting to jump into a group of opposing players alone will only get you killed again and again.

Hit and run strategies are never frowned upon, and knowing when to fight and when to fall back is a key skill you'll need to learn quickly.

As well, the opening moments of the game, where each team are heading to the middle, are critical. You'll soon pick up on the paths each class takes for each map, but generally scouts and demos should arrive first, with soldiers and medic not far behind, with medic sitting at about 50-60% uber. As a soldier/demo, you really should only be walking the last few bits of the map towards the center, the rest should consist of rocket/sticky jumping. The medic will heal you as you go down.

The following are some general strategies and expectations from the standard classeS:

Scout
-Typically, unless stated otherwise, the two scouts are supposed to act as 'roamers': They move away from the rest of the team and work in tandem to try and take out the enemy medic or pick off fleeing soldiers/demos.
-They also play a crucial role in the opening of the game, as they will, along with the demo, be the first people to get to the middle point, where they will engage the opposing scouts/demo for about ten to twenty seconds. Any kills or damage that can be done during this time is integral for your team's position post-mid-fight.
-Do not try to engage a combo (soldier + medic) alone
-Engage demo + medic combos, try to get into close and try to take out the medic or jump around him and peck off the medic if you can
-When all else fails, just kill the medic. You are expected to die much more than anyone else, but if you get this one job done, it is worth it in spades.

Soldier
-You and the other soldier are the blunt force of the team. You deal the damage, jump the jumps, and protect the medic.
-The soldiers are typically designated as pocket and roamer.
-Pocket soldier stays with the medic and protects him from everybody. He is not expected to go rocket jumping onto points or pushing the objective (unless the medic has an uber)
-The Roamer is exactly that, he has some leeway to rocket jump onto points and push without a medic, but typically, unless he wants to get screwed over, he will stay close to the pocket combo or the team demo
-Pockets should always use the normal rocket launcher and shotgun as it is the best to counter to scouts
-Roamers can use the DH if they're good but it's not expected.
-You should know how to rocket jump everywhere. This takes practice.
-Airshots are balla and will look nice in your frag videos

Demo
-You got to know the sticky jumps. For pretty much all the maps listed above, you must be able to sticky jump decently enough to get to the middle point at the same time the scouts would, or just behind them. This is particularly critical on badlands and granary, where a good few stickes set up at where the enemy team are coming out could decide who gets mid.
-You're a bigger damage dealer than the soldiers, and can fire more indirect. But you're all alone, so you dieing is kind of a big deal. Hang back and spam pipes into the middle point, and sticky up essential chokepoints.
-This pretty much applies for both attack and defense.
-Stickying up chokepoints is particularly essential when you're getting pushed back. A sticky trap on the gates on cp_well can pratically turn the game to your favor.
-Personally not a big demo, so can't say much either way, but you have to be fairly competent in sticky usage and knowing when and where to fight, but also how to use your regular pipes to smack down scouts and soldiers

Medic
-You're the key to a lot of what goes on. Your uber and kritz are essential, and your death means your team is unsupported and will probably get pushed in on.
-That said, hang back. Stick with your pocket soldier at all times, don't try to advance ahead of him
-Scream ungodly sounds into the mic when being attacked
-Don't pull out your needlegun or saw unless you are completely and utterly alone and there is nowhere to run to. You will have people defending you, your job is to keep them up and to build the uber/kritz
-Jump a lot
-You can pop your uber if you're in trouble, no one will blame you, just stay alive.


That just about covers the basics of it.

GotFrag has a great page that goes a little more indepth not just into general strategy, but particular strategies for specific maps and such

Click here for GotFrag's Tips & Tricks section

Of particular interest should be Jaeger's general tips and tricks videos. There's only 5 so far, but they look at some specifics that are definitely worth knowing if you're looking to persue this type of gameplay a bit further

Tips & Tricks Volume 1 - Scout Energy Drink
- A few points about the Bonk, although the recent Valve fix made the first-person tip impossible :(
Tips & Tricks Volume 2 - Soldier Jumps on cp_gravepit, point C
- Examples of how to quickly get up the C tower on cp_gravelpit out the left and ride side of spawn.
Tips & Tricks Volume 3 - Spamming Through Doors on cp_frieght
- This is technically a glitch, and is not allowed by ESEA.
Tips & Tricks Volume 4 - Pre-firing Rockets
- Some safety tips for soldiers about spamming around corners.
Tips & Tricks Volume 5 - Medic Healing
- A little love for our healers as guest star creepin outlines the basic healing order, and why.


Now it's time for....


!!!PRO VIDEOS!!!


Post with any questions for clarifications.

OP blatantly plagiarised from Hey You and graded A+.

...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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    PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    TF2 needs to stop crashing right after it's loaded. It happens way too often. I wonder if it'd help if I didn't run windowed or do other things while it's loading.

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    BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Games always seem happier to me when they run fullscreen. Not sure if there's an actual technical benefit or if it's just user illusion though.

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    UriakUriak Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    There is a benefit from running full screen (mainly windows doesn't have to care about what's drawn behind anymore) Of course at the expense of quick alt tabbing.

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    L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    God damn I hate when medics uber me just after I shoot out four rockets. The fuck do you expect me to do now? If they're about to die then sure whatever, but just because they're pushing? No. Bad medic. Wait.

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    CutfangCutfang Dancing Bagel WalessssssssRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    A lot of the time a medic randomly ubers you because someone just fired buckshot up his ass. Probably wasn't the case though.

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    JauntyJaunty Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Bethryn wrote: »
    Games always seem happier to me when they run fullscreen. Not sure if there's an actual technical benefit or if it's just user illusion though.

    Don't know about games in general but I do know that the source engine has been getting grumpy with age.

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    UriakUriak Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    While I'm a it, would you prefer that players switch teams after each round on persia ? Since the two sides aren't exactly mirrored...

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    CutfangCutfang Dancing Bagel WalessssssssRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Uriak wrote: »
    While I'm a it, would you prefer that players switch teams after each round on persia ? Since the two sides aren't exactly mirrored...

    My personal preference would be no, since I get confused when I keep changing teams and end up firing buckshot up our own medic's behind. The map seems pretty mirrored to me.

    edit: Also TF2 runs noticably faster when I go fullscreen, if that matters at all.

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    Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    L|ama wrote: »
    God damn I hate when medics uber me just after I shoot out four rockets. The fuck do you expect me to do now? If they're about to die then sure whatever, but just because they're pushing? No. Bad medic. Wait.

    Why are you running out of rockets to begin with?

    But I agree. Medics should be watching how many rockets you have so they know when to heal someone else for easy assist points.

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    xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    L|ama wrote: »
    God damn I hate when medics uber me just after I shoot out four rockets. The fuck do you expect me to do now? If they're about to die then sure whatever, but just because they're pushing? No. Bad medic. Wait.

    Why are you running out of rockets to begin with?

    But I agree. Medics should be watching how many rockets you have so they know when to heal someone else for easy assist points.

    Medics should get a little hud indicator informing them how much ammo their heal target has as a percentage.

    And an extra macro that puts an alert on the heal target that an uber is incoming, so reload.

    Later on, they can replace all the classes in the game with puppets, and rename the medic to puppeteer.

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    CutfangCutfang Dancing Bagel WalessssssssRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    xzzy wrote: »
    L|ama wrote: »
    God damn I hate when medics uber me just after I shoot out four rockets. The fuck do you expect me to do now? If they're about to die then sure whatever, but just because they're pushing? No. Bad medic. Wait.

    Why are you running out of rockets to begin with?

    But I agree. Medics should be watching how many rockets you have so they know when to heal someone else for easy assist points.

    Medics should get a little hud indicator informing them how much ammo their heal target has as a percentage.

    And an extra macro that puts an alert on the heal target that an uber is incoming, so reload.

    Later on, they can replace all the classes in the game with puppets, and rename the medic to puppeteer.

    Will there be an unlockable achievement, 'Master of Puppets'?

    I know you were almost definitely being sarcastic, but the voice command "Ubercharge ready" or "Go go go" seem fairly adequate at indicating immediate ubercharge. And who doesn't want to yell "SCHNELL" at your teammates.

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    rakuenCallistorakuenCallisto Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    L|ama wrote: »
    God damn I hate when medics uber me just after I shoot out four rockets. The fuck do you expect me to do now? If they're about to die then sure whatever, but just because they're pushing? No. Bad medic. Wait.

    Why are you running out of rockets to begin with?

    But I agree. Medics should be watching how many rockets you have so they know when to heal someone else for easy assist points.

    Tell the dumb medic to oobah someone else instead of pocket healing.

    Not that you intended this, but this seems to be what medics do a lot.

    Tunnel vision.

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    ArikadoArikado Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It's why I have my heal indicator set to anyone who has hp at 25% or less. To avoid tunnel vision.

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    savooipeerdsavooipeerd Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Soldiers are pretty terrible über targets anyway. Kritz, sure (especially now that most demos have turned into useless targelanders) but soldiers can't really do much with a regular über.

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    When I'm playing Gunboat Soldier or Targelander, I always tell medics who start healing me that they should find another person to Uber, as I'm not gonna be doing much with it.

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    Joe KJoe K Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Soldiers are pretty terrible über targets anyway. Kritz, sure (especially now that most demos have turned into useless targelanders) but soldiers can't really do much with a regular über.

    A fully loaded soldier is probably the best at knocking out entrenched (read sentry guns) defenses. Well, maybe a demo is better, if he's actually carrying the sticky launcher.

    Heavy's have a tendency to get pushed around and can't get close enough to the sentry gun to negate the large cone of his gun.

    Of course, if the medic runs in first, maybe a Heavy can get the gun.

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    rakuenCallistorakuenCallisto Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    Joe K wrote: »
    A fully loaded soldier is probably the best at knocking out entrenched (read sentry guns) defenses. Well, maybe a demo is better, if he's actually carrying the sticky launcher.

    Heavy's have a tendency to get pushed around and can't get close enough to the sentry gun to negate the large cone of his gun.

    Of course, if the medic runs in first, maybe a Heavy can get the gun.
    about 50% of this post is false.

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I know Scottish Resistance can destroy regular stickies (Fucking love making people waste an uber when I defend a sentry like that), can it destroy SR stickies?

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    Joe KJoe K Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Joe K wrote: »
    A fully loaded soldier is probably the best at knocking out entrenched (read sentry guns) defenses. Well, maybe a demo is better, if he's actually carrying the sticky launcher.

    Heavy's have a tendency to get pushed around and can't get close enough to the sentry gun to negate the large cone of his gun.

    Of course, if the medic runs in first, maybe a Heavy can get the gun.
    about 50% of this post is false.

    The question is which 50%

    (stolen from John P Wannamaker - I know half my advertising budget is wasted, the problem is that I don't know which half)

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    Alex WilderAlex Wilder Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Alex Wilder's preferred uber and kritz targets:

    Uber for talking out multiple Sentries (ie the only time I use the uber over the kritz)

    1) Demoman (Stickies) 2) Solider (DH) 3) Heavy (Sasha) 4) Solider (RL) 5) Pyro (only if the other teams pyro sucks)

    Never use uber on a heavy with Natasha to take out multiple sentries

    Kritz

    1) Demoman (Stickies) 2) Heavy (any loadout) 3) Soldier (RL)


    Basically if my team doesn't have a Demoman using stickies I'm not playing medic.

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    NEO|PhyteNEO|Phyte They follow the stars, bound together. Strands in a braid till the end.Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I see we still have some CS:S going on in the op.

    Incidently, I appear to have solved my issue with multiple people from the same IP on the same server, unless it fixed itself, turning off the steam cloud thing worked.

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    UriakUriak Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Normal über can promote a "push" in non sentry situations, an übered Pyro is a rather good tool in that case. And yes, it depends of ennemy pyros... Valve managed to create a class that countered itself (apart from snipers)

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    rakuenCallistorakuenCallisto Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    Alex Wilder's preferred uber and kritz targets:

    Uber for talking out multiple Sentries (ie the only time I use the uber over the kritz)

    1) Demoman (Stickies) 2) Solider (DH) 3) Heavy (Sasha) 4) Solider (RL) 5) Pyro (only if the other teams pyro sucks)

    Never use uber on a heavy with Natasha to take out multiple sentries

    Kritz

    1) Demoman (Stickies) 2) Heavy (any loadout) 3) Soldier (RL)


    Basically if my team doesn't have a Demoman using stickies I'm not playing medic.
    maybe you guys need to learn how to aim with the pipe launcher then huh? NARF.

    but really, I hit someone with a kritz pipe and 2-3 of their teammates die with them.

    2-3 hits kill a sentry.

    Stop being bad @ demo everyone, it's the same thing as a kritzed soldier only I can lob/angle my shots to kill more stoof.

    If you need to rely on the sticky launcher to kill mans to begin with, you prob shouldn't be playing demo.

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    jonxpjonxp [E] PC Security Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hey, so my server has plugins now. We should probably update the OP to match. Still no map votes. Because people suck at knowing what they want.


    Yes, even you.


    Yeah, me too.

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    rakuenCallistorakuenCallisto Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    jonxp wrote: »
    Hey, so my server has plugins now. We should probably update the OP to match. Still no map votes. Because people suck at knowing what they want.


    Yes, even you.


    Yeah, me too.
    we are feeble, like teenage girls.

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    Ginger MijangoGinger Mijango Don't you open that Trap Door!Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Endaro wrote: »
    Ginger: Why wasn't it a part of the map test night? Its looking pretty spiffy. You've captured the valve style pretty well.

    It was broke and it took me a while to fix it.
    Hey You wrote: »
    Looks good Ginger, did you turn it into a A/D one stager like gorge?
    yeah and you just reminded me some of the game logic needs fixed.

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    Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Soldiers are pretty terrible über targets anyway. Kritz, sure (especially now that most demos have turned into useless targelanders) but soldiers can't really do much with a regular über.

    the soldier should really never get a regular über unless he just tooted his horn or as a defensive/lifesaving measure

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    davinciedavincie Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Voting we play more on jons cause it lags less right now.

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    undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    what plugins does jon's have now

    cause i get crazy ping on drama chamber last time i checked

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    savooipeerdsavooipeerd Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    If you need to rely on the sticky launcher to kill mans to begin with, you prob shouldn't be playing demo.

    You seem to have an issue with demomen who only use stickies that you are unjustly projecting on the weapon itself. Having the sticky launcher does not magically make the grenade launcher less lethal! Here, let me express it using math:

    grenade launcher + sticky launcher > grenade launcher

    Not convinced? Let's look at some examples!
    • A kritzed demoman with the sticky launcher can launch 12 crit projectiles before having to reload; a targelander can only fire 4, thus spending most of the kritz time reloading.
    • A sentry gun that is being repaired will require all 4 loaded grenades to kill, and is impossible to destroy if there are 2 engineers repairing it; 4 well-placed stickies will destroy the sentry regardless, leaving 4 more stickies for a second sentry, and the 4 grenades from the grenade launcher for a third.
    • Stickies can be charged and can therefore kill enemies at greater distances than grenades can.
    • The sticky launcher can be used to defend a control point or chokepoint from enemies in ways that a grenade launcher simply can't.

    Wow! Amazing! It's like having two weapons gives you more flexibility than just having one of them!

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    cwapfobrainscwapfobrains Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I find a banner does more to promote a team push than an uber. So many times I hear medic's saying "We are using an uber, push in with us!" only to find myself alone and shortly dead next to the uber on the point. Banner's give your team the bugle call letting them know it's coming, and the glowy weapon which makes people know they have an advantage over the other team.

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    Alex WilderAlex Wilder Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    maybe you guys need to learn how to aim with the pipe launcher then huh? NARF.

    but really, I hit someone with a kritz pipe and 2-3 of their teammates die with them.

    2-3 hits kill a sentry.

    Stop being bad @ demo everyone, it's the same thing as a kritzed soldier only I can lob/angle my shots to kill more stoof.

    If you need to rely on the sticky launcher to kill mans to begin with, you prob shouldn't be playing demo.

    Rak, are you doubting my demo skills? Savoo said it best. Its purely an ammo thing. I don't want my ubered or kritzed guy to have to be reloading constantly. Lets say there are 2 sentries. The demo should use his 8 stickies destroying those and then switch to the pipes to start killing mans. Also I said preferred targets. I'm not saying I wouldn't uber a targe demo just that it isn't ideal and if i'm rolling medic does it really hurt to switch your loadout to my preference?

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    Alex WilderAlex Wilder Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Uriak wrote: »
    Normal über can promote a "push" in non sentry situations, an übered Pyro is a rather good tool in that case. And yes, it depends of ennemy pyros... Valve managed to create a class that countered itself (apart from snipers)

    My main problem with ubering a pyro to take out sentries is that he is to easy to bounce in the air. A good solider or demo can really slow down the pyro's push in open area. When a solider or demo gets knocked in the air he can still be effective.

    Also keep in mind my uber scenarios post was about multiple sentries. Which usually means spread out. If there is only 1 sentry I would just uber a random class to destroy it.

    If you want to the real truth. I'm typically just going to uber the best player near me when I reach full charge. Knowing what you are doing makes up for most class limitations.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2010
    What plugins are you using Jon? I must know!

    I always find heavy and pyro ubers are pretty useless for taking out sentries if there is an enemy pyro around. With the leafblower obviously.

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Backburner can sit behind the medic and wait for it to run out.

    If the heavy doesn't kill him.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2010
    Verflutche wrote: »
    Backburner can sit behind the medic and wait for it to run out.

    If the heavy doesn't kill him.

    That doesn't do shit to stop the uber from taking out the sentries though. You'd be better off standing in front of the sentries to absorb about half a second of bullets before you die.

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    BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I use Sticky Launcher when Kritzed because, even though I'm decent with the Pipe Launcher, midair detonated criticals are the best way to make your Medic happy. Yes, I know that if I use the Pipe Launcher I look more skilled, but the fact is that the Medic is ubering me and I'm not going to use an inferior weapon just so that I appear more 'pro'.

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Verflutche wrote: »
    Backburner can sit behind the medic and wait for it to run out.

    If the heavy doesn't kill him.

    That doesn't do shit to stop the uber from taking out the sentries though. You'd be better off standing in front of the sentries to absorb about half a second of bullets before you die.

    See, that was the joke, that since he had a backburner, he has to sit and wait, and be useless.

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    iowaiowa Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    i start with pipes kritz if i expect ill be running into people a few feet infront of me. it's not that hard to get surrounded and killed in the middle of the kritz if you run into a couple people who proceed to dodge the crit stickies then flank you. crit stickies aren't that hard to dodge if you don't back up like the demo usually expects you to.

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    guarguar Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    In one of the payload maps yesterday, I managed to sneak up on an enemy sniper as heavy and taunt kill them. I was pretty much useless after that point because I couldn't stop laughing.

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