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[SOLVED] CHEAP (key word) Lefty Guitar for UK Resident

JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
edited February 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
As I said in my other thread, I'm from the UK. And I've been toddling along learning electric guitar for about a month or two now.

But today my friend (who's awesome on guitar...just sayin') told me something odd: there are left-handed guitars. And I'm left handed, so as of yet I'd been trying to reverse everything I've been learning. So this is good news.

The problem, however, is trying to find a cheap left-handed guitar somewhere.

Anybody help me out, possibly?

I've already been suggested this one: http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Special-II-Left-Hand-Heritage-Cherry-Burst/9TX

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    ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Have you tried restringing a right-handed guitar and playing it upside down? That's what I do.

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    RookRook Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I'd look at gumtree.com in your area, or even ebay. Especially if you have a friend that knows about guitars. You should be able to pick up a decent second hand one without too much trouble.

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    ShiflettShiflett Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    try this

    Not the best guitar in the world but should do the trick for now and only 98 quid

    or if you have a bit more to spend

    Epiphone G-310, £183

    or

    Ibanez GRG170DXL, £205

    Apologies if they aren't cheap enough, i'm thinking Guitar cheap and not normal cheap :P

    * just looked at the link in your post, as a rule you can't go too far wrong with an Epiphone, especially a les paul copy so thats deffinalty worth a go :)

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    LewieP's MummyLewieP's Mummy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    When I started off, I just played a right hand guitar upside down, but bar chords were tricky. Then I bought a lefty - decent-ish ones cost more than right hand ones - spent a whole term's grant on it (when UK student grants were enough to live on!).

    I've also restrung a right handed one, and changed the nut around, this was ok-ish, and as it was for my daughter to learn on when she was younger, it did, but mine sounds much better.

    Try looking on Freegle or greencycle, there's often free guitars there, or you could ask for one.

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    ShiflettShiflett Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Nice, seems like a good deal!

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    NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Becareful if you go the restringing route. Some guitars are not constructed for that and it may lead to warping of your instrument. Definitely ask a pro for his advice before you do anything along those lines :)

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    JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    In the interest of future reference, any possiblity of getting some Lefty Acoustic guitar suggestions?

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    EpiEpi Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Now this is contrary to the thread's purpose, but I would personally consider continuing to learn right handed. I'm left handed and only had the option to play right handed guitars, and I've found I'm happier this way.

    Sure, you may be more nimble playing a left-hander but after enough practice the right handed way turns into second nature. And there are certain perks to playing right handed.

    First of all, your selection of future instruments is much much broadened, not being limited to the specialty lines. (Generally cheaper too!)

    Second of all (and more importantly) if you are ever without your guitar but someone else has one that you want to play, it's almost guaranteed to be a right handed guitar. If you only play left handed guitars you're going to be hard pressed to play anywhere except your home.

    I've simply found that, while yeah I'm left handed, sometimes it's unbelievably more convenient to simply conform to right handed practices regardless of the initial frustration. That's my two cents.

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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Just because you're left handed doesn't mean you absolutely must play left-handed guitars. If there's a music store around, see if they have left-handed guitars, and see if you find it more natural, and more natural enough that it's worth all the other problems. I know one person who plays left handed, and that's because she injured her left hand in a way that fingering with it was a problem, but she could still use a pick with it enough that it worked out. Oh and by the way, yes I got that hand right. She plays lefty because she injured her left hand.

    Which is the other thing that should be mentioned. Guitar uses your "main hand" as your less involved picking hand, and your "off hand" as your fingering hand. Now, picking's a really integral part of playing guitar, but fingering wise, you'll be using your left hand more on r.h. guitar than l.h. guitar.

    Also, yeah, like Epi said... let's say you're playing somewhere, you break a string, and someone else has a guitar sitting around. Oh damn, you can't use it. Or let's say you're having an impromptu jam session and... oh damn you don't have your guitar? You're out of luck.

    "There are left-handed guitars" is not the same as "Play left handed guitars if you're left handed". I don't think I've ever once felt that if I switched to a lefty guitar I'd have an easier time playing it, it would've been easier learning it, or I'd be better at it than the way things are now.

    If you really want to try it out, see if you can find a l.h. guitar in the area at a music store or something like that that you can play around with, but unless like, R.h. guitar makes your fingers bleed and l.h. guitar makes rainbows come out of the strings, I wouldn't necessarily think that you should go to L.H. guitar just because you're left-handed

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    JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    I know I could continue playing right-handed guitar, but tbh it's ALWAYS felt awkwarder (is that a word? meh, don't answer than, you know what i mean) than it should be.

    Plus from the day I discovered rock music (S Club 7: numbing the musical tastes of conformist idiots until puberty), whenever I've done the cheesy air-guitar shit, it's always been with my left hand picking. Always.

    I've got a guitar shop in my town (expensive as hell, but I didn't intend to buy from there) so I might go in and just have a bit of a fuck around with a left-handed guitar, see if it feels more comfortable and natural for me than a right-handed one.

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    Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I'll throw in another suggestion (as a lefty that plays righty) to continue on learning right handed. Among the reasons listed is that a lot of manufacturers (including Gibson, PRS, and Rickenbacker) no longer make left handed guitars, due to low sales. I'd imagine more will be going that way in the future, making guitars more and more expensive for you down the road.

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    JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    This is just a small aside question, since people posting here are obviously guitarists.

    Would you say acoustic or electric is easier to get to grips with? Cause I've neen learning electric, as I said, but I've been thinking about switching to an acoustic.

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    Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Oh man, can of worms time.

    My personal opinion is whatever you're more interested in. They each have their pros and cons, but if you're wanting to learn some Cannibal Corpse, you're not going to be as happy with an acoustic.

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    EpiEpi Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    My vote goes to nylon acoustic. Easier on the fingers when building callouses and I love the warmth of the sound. Acoustics are fun for percussive reasons as well. But I lean heavily to finger picking and slapping so that's more me genre.

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    JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    Epi wrote: »
    My vote goes to nylon acoustic. Easier on the fingers when building callouses and I love the warmth of the sound. Acoustics are fun for percussive reasons as well. But I lean heavily to finger picking and slapping so that's more me genre.
    ...NYLON acoustic? Double-U Tee Eff?

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    NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah... like, classical guitar.

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    JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
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    NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I'm almost certain that is the kind of guitar he was talking about

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    There's also the possibility you just can't really grow a bear like other guys.

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    cakemikz wrote: »
    And then I rub actual cake on myself.
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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Look at Rondo music, they are very cheap and their Agile guitars are really good; even if they charged twice as much they'd still be worth it

    Plus they usually have an insanely good selection of left-handed electrics

    This is pretty, for example

    $230 too expensive?

    Try a $175 Telecaster with Grover tuners

    Seriously, give it a browse, I can vouch for their quality and I actually make part of my living off of playing guitar

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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Electric is about 1,000 times easier to play. I think learning on electric is a great way to start out, because you'll have a nice easy time learning the basics, and then if you want to learn acoustic stuff you can always grab an acoustic and adjust to it. Now, on the other hand, I learned on not only an acoustic, but a really unforgiving acoustic, and when I started playing electric, it felt like a breeze.

    The other side is if you're looking to learn a specific style or sound, go with whatever guitar is used for that. If you're a big fan of fingerstyle or folk, grab a steel-string. If you want to play classical, grab a, well a classical. If you want to play hard rock, grab an electric and a few pedals. I mean, in addition just to sounding different, they really do play differently.

    I mean, currently I've got my acoustic pretty much sitting in its case in case I need it and I've always got an electric ready to practice and to gig on, but that's because I've got nothing right now that demands acoustic and a ton of shit that demands an electric going on right now. If you end up sticking with it and playing it enough that you need to grab another kind, then you can do that down the road, but I'd go with whatever fits what you want.

    Also, keep in mind that an acoustic you can play anywhere with just the guitar, and electric you'll need an amp/cables to use it, so if that's a factor, take it into account.

    As for the "nylon acoustic" thing... that would be an acoustic with nylon strings, or a classical guitar. There's not only a different sound to a steel string and a classical, but the classical guitar has a wider, flatter fingerboard, is stupidly hard to change strings on, and you would tend not to use a pick with a classical. As a warning, if you get a Classical guitar under no circumstances put steel strings on it. DO NOT STRING A CLASSICAL WITH STEEL STRINGS. That would destroy the guitar.

    Classicals are softer and have a warmer tone than steel strings, which can be good or bad depending on what you're playing on it.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Khavall is right, only thing I would add is that if you really want to play electric guitar, don't pick up an acoustic just because it will feel so easy when you switch to the electric. If playing electric is what it will take to keep you interested and having fun with it, do that.

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    JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    To be honest, my amp at the moment ALWAYS (and i do mean always) somehow switches all its settings around when i go to bed, so if i wanna have a bit of a random fuck-about with my guitar i have to adjust it. So the acoustic "you just need the guitar, no extra shit" is appealing to me. Plus I'm a big fan of the sort of solo artists who use an acoustic guitar for their main sound. People like Joshua Radin, Howie Day, Damien Rice and the like.

    But I'm not sure if they use steel or nylon strings...

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    JoshEth wrote: »
    To be honest, my amp at the moment ALWAYS (and i do mean always) somehow switches all its settings around when i go to bed, so if i wanna have a bit of a random fuck-about with my guitar i have to adjust it. So the acoustic "you just need the guitar, no extra shit" is appealing to me. Plus I'm a big fan of the sort of solo artists who use an acoustic guitar for their main sound. People like Joshua Radin, Howie Day, Damien Rice and the like.

    But I'm not sure if they use steel or nylon strings...

    More than likely steel strings

    Nylon is rarely used outside of classical, folk and (don't laugh) metal music

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    JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    JoshEth wrote: »
    To be honest, my amp at the moment ALWAYS (and i do mean always) somehow switches all its settings around when i go to bed, so if i wanna have a bit of a random fuck-about with my guitar i have to adjust it. So the acoustic "you just need the guitar, no extra shit" is appealing to me. Plus I'm a big fan of the sort of solo artists who use an acoustic guitar for their main sound. People like Joshua Radin, Howie Day, Damien Rice and the like.

    But I'm not sure if they use steel or nylon strings...

    More than likely steel strings

    Nylon is rarely used outside of classical, folk and (don't laugh) metal music
    Good. Based on preliminary searches, left-handed classical guitars are an obscurity.

    And I wasn't going to laugh. I was more going to make a "whuh?" noise and stare at the computer screen for a while...

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    JoshEth wrote: »
    JoshEth wrote: »
    To be honest, my amp at the moment ALWAYS (and i do mean always) somehow switches all its settings around when i go to bed, so if i wanna have a bit of a random fuck-about with my guitar i have to adjust it. So the acoustic "you just need the guitar, no extra shit" is appealing to me. Plus I'm a big fan of the sort of solo artists who use an acoustic guitar for their main sound. People like Joshua Radin, Howie Day, Damien Rice and the like.

    But I'm not sure if they use steel or nylon strings...

    More than likely steel strings

    Nylon is rarely used outside of classical, folk and (don't laugh) metal music
    Good. Based on preliminary searches, left-handed classical guitars are an obscurity.

    And I wasn't going to laugh. I was more going to make a "whuh?" noise and stare at the computer screen for a while...

    Metallica -- Battery has a nylon string acoustic intro, just as an example

    It is rather odd, lots of metalheads who came into Guitar Center when I worked there would ogle the nylon-stringed guitars and start playing all kinds of fancy classical music

    I guess they're both very technically demanding styles of music and they attract that mindset

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    NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Some use a mixture of both; depending on what song and what tone they want the guitar to have.

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    There's also the possibility you just can't really grow a bear like other guys.

    Not even BEAR vaginas can defeat me!
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    JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, I'm into the acoustic fingerstyle sort of playing. Always have liked it. So I figure I might get myself an acoustic.

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    Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I guess they're both very technically demanding styles of music and they attract that mindset

    Yep, pretty much. I think metalheads (myself included) just like showing off, and classical songs are a good way to do that when you don't have your rig handy. :D

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    JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    I guess they're both very technically demanding styles of music and they attract that mindset

    Yep, pretty much. I think metalheads (myself included) just like showing off, and classical songs are a good way to do that when you don't have your rig handy. :D
    Yeah I know a metalhead at Uni who, every time someone has a guitar, he grabs it and plays a bunch of shit. I always call him "my little attention-whore".

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    JoshEthJoshEth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    I've just bitten the bullet and purchased myself a left-handed, steel-string acoustic guitar. :^::mrgreen:

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    PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2010
    Bronze 4 lyfe

    Unless you're using a magnetic pickup. I guess then you'd better stick with steel.

    Also re: guitars warping by being strung upside down from the prior page:
    Any cheapass entry level guitar has a couple of years of life in it. Warping from the strings being strung upside down isn't going to ruin it before the new guitarist either outgrows the instrument or gives up on it.

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