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Specific engagement ring design question [UPDATED W/IMAGE]

Pinch-a-LoafPinch-a-Loaf Registered User regular
edited February 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm starting to look at engagement/wedding ring sets. My gf saw a ring on a woman's finger and described it to me and I'd like to find something like it, but haven't had any luck so far. I'm hoping someone here will know where to find one/what it's called/some sort of helpful information. The specific part of the design that I'm looking for is the interaction between the engagement band(s) and the wedding band. The engagement ring had two separate bands with a space between them, connected by way of the setting (diamond) at the top. The wedding band was made to fit in that space between the engagement ring bands. So the three bands would fit together snugly right next two each other like engagement1-wedding-engagement2, and then you slide your finger through them. I believe this woman didn't even have them soldered together, she just let her finger hold them together and she could take them off and remove the wedding band if she wanted to...but that's not really the point or terribly important.

Anybody got anything for me? If my description is confusing I will try to draw something up to show it visually.

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  • OrestusOrestus Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    What you are looking for is called an "integrated wedding ring set." This distinguishes it from a parallel ring set, where the engagement ring and wedding band are bought as a set and match very well, but can easily be worn individually and no one would notice anything missing.

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    nah.. sounds all wrong, you need something with more ooophf to it.

    here is something I drew up just a second ago, I think you will approve.

    http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8871/engagementring.png

    I know what you are talking about, I cant remember the name of it..

    Oh and Orestus has it.

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  • Pinch-a-LoafPinch-a-Loaf Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    What I'm looking for does seem to fall under the definition of "integrated wedding ring set", but I think there are still several options within that definition and I need to figure out what the one I want is called. I'm browsing styles on several jeweler websites and haven't seen the style I described yet.

    Or else I will just go with what darkmayo drew up :P.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    You sure it was the way she describes? It sounds like an unusual design bc the engagement "rings" would look weird with a space between them until you got married.

    it was probably a center engagement ring with two wedding bands surrounding it.

    That said, I suggest calling Blue Nile. Very nice folks, and they actually answer the phone when you call rather than putting you through a phone system.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    That's a pretty good description of a gimmal ring:
    47198-large.jpg

    One last thing: make sure not to use a natural diamond, as de beers is terrible. Synthetic only.

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  • VisionOfClarityVisionOfClarity Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It's probably not the above because the above can't be worn separately.

    And you're thinking of it backwards. The engagement ring goes in the middle and wedding band goes around it.

    http://www.myjewelrybox.com/?section=item&itemID=4078

    The wedding band can be two separate ring that fit around the engagement ring or it can be one band that the engagement ring fits in.

    I've worked in jewelry stores and I've never seen it the other way around with the wedding band in the middle.

    It's also fairly common for people to get sets this way the wedding band and engagement ring are flush.

    http://www.myjewelrybox.com/?section=item&itemID=8408

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  • IrohIroh Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Scalfin wrote: »
    One last thing: make sure not to use a natural diamond, as de beers is terrible. Synthetic only.
    That seems like awful advice for someone who actually wants to get engaged.

    She could be okay with that, though.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Iroh wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    One last thing: make sure not to use a natural diamond, as de beers is terrible. Synthetic only.
    That seems like awful advice for someone who actually wants to get engaged.

    She could be okay with that, though.

    To try and put a kibash on what this could turn into, the diamond industry is fucking evil on like Darth Vadar levels.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    It's probably not the above because the above can't be worn separately.

    And you're thinking of it backwards. The engagement ring goes in the middle and wedding band goes around it.

    http://www.myjewelrybox.com/?section=item&itemID=4078

    The wedding band can be two separate ring that fit around the engagement ring or it can be one band that the engagement ring fits in.

    I've worked in jewelry stores and I've never seen it the other way around with the wedding band in the middle.

    It's also fairly common for people to get sets this way the wedding band and engagement ring are flush.

    http://www.myjewelrybox.com/?section=item&itemID=8408

    That's just the one pictured. They were often linked to prevent loss, like their relative, the puzzle ring, but it was more traditional to give the husband one, the bride another, and an optional third pardy a possible third piece. Some older ones are pictured here:
    antique-gimmal-or-gimmel-rings11.jpg
    Per wikipedia:
    A gimmal ring, or gimmel ring, is a ring with two or three hoops or links that fit together to form one complete ring. The name gimmal comes from Latin gemellus, twin, via Old French.

    In the 16th and 17th centuries such rings were fashionable in England, Germany, and other countries, and were often used as betrothal rings. The engaged couple would wear one hoop each and rejoin them to use as a wedding ring. With triple link rings, a third person could witness the couple's vows and hold the third part of the ring until the marriage.

    An early gimmal band, consisting of two interlocked rings sculpted to form a single ring is to be found in the Victoria and Albert Museum dated to 1350. Henry III of England met the Count of Gynes in 1202 and gave him a gimmal ring set with a ruby and two emeralds. Martin Luther wed Catherine Bora in 1525 with a gimmal ring enscribed "Whom God has joined together, Let no man put asunder".

    Around 1600 the gimmal ring began to sometimes incorporate the clasped hands of the fede ring and a third symbol, a heart, was added, sometimes with a third shank. Designs involving clasped hands, and sometimes a heart, remained popular after the Renaissance. Similar imagery is found on other love rings, including claddagh rings.

    The Benjamin Zucker collection in the Walters Museum in Baltimore contains two elaborate gimmal rings incorporating small hidden enameled sculptural details visible only when the bands are separated. By the late 18th century multiple shanks of 5 or more were made, sometimes collected at the back by a pivot, so they hinged like a fan.

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  • Pinch-a-LoafPinch-a-Loaf Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Apart from the shotty Photoshop job, this is what I am talking about. I'm quite certain that this is how the ring was that my gf is describing because she had the lady take it off and show her exactly how it worked. Now I just need to find someone who offers this design so I can try it with different diamonds/settings/etc.

    Maybe the lady got a totally custom ring? It just doesn't seem that that far out of a design to me that no one would offer it. Then again, I know absolutely nothing about jewelry :).

    ringst.jpg

    edit: Those gimmal rings are pretty sweet BTW. Never heard of them before.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It sounds like there are three seperate rings. Two curved wedding bands with an engagement ring in the middle.

    http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-wedding-ring-platinum_8126

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Iroh wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    One last thing: make sure not to use a natural diamond, as de beers is terrible. Synthetic only.
    That seems like awful advice for someone who actually wants to get engaged.

    She could be okay with that, though.

    To try and put a kibash on what this could turn into, the diamond industry is fucking evil on like Darth Vadar levels.

    Yes, but let's end this now by saying "different strokes, different folks."

    Some people want to spend thousands of dollars on an engagement ring for their fiancee, others say that's a colossal waste of money and spend a couple hundred and are happy.

    OP: Go to a jewelry store. Bring that picture you mocked up. Seriously, I don't know why you're sitting around on the Internet at this point. Even if you don't plan on purchasing there, any half decent jeweler will be able to tell you more about that style and how you can get your hands on something like it.

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  • Pinch-a-LoafPinch-a-Loaf Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Deebaser wrote: »
    It sounds like there are three seperate rings. Two curved wedding bands with an engagement ring in the middle.

    http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-wedding-ring-platinum_8126

    That would be the standard/popular way to do it. Which would, in turn, make the way I am describing the unique/ohwowawesome way to do it. To me and my gf, anyway.

    edit: You're probably right Figgy. I just prefer to talk to you guys than to a jewelry salesperson and none of the online stores have a design like this, but it looks like I'll have to go to the experts on this one.

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  • SpacemilkSpacemilk Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I think it's good you came here, it's a good idea to know what you're talking about and what you have in mind. And coming to us for this is probably a better idea since our first priority is getting it right for you, whereas in the jewelry store their first priority is, honestly, your wallet. So just make sure you have a REALLY good idea what you want, but be open to other things they may bring up.

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  • KillgrimageKillgrimage Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    To try and put a kibash on what this could turn into, the diamond industry is fucking evil on like Darth Vadar levels.

    I completely 100% agree and told my fiance so when we started talking about getting married. However, due to societal pressure and brainwashing, I still wanted an actual diamond, and hopefully for a good price. The best way we discovered? Vintage diamonds passed down through the family. Not only were they free, they carry a certain setimental weight. The diamonds on my finger currently came from my MIL's engagment ring from the 70's!

    Pinch, I don't have any info on the style of ring you are asking about other than it looks waaay cool and I think your GF will be quite impressed that you pulled it off (if you can that is). I would ask around your local jewlers and see if they know what you are talking about, they usually have a big catalog of different rings and styles that you can look through.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    To try and put a kibash on what this could turn into, the diamond industry is fucking evil on like Darth Vadar levels.

    I completely 100% agree and told my fiance so when we started talking about getting married. However, due to societal pressure and brainwashing, I still wanted an actual diamond, and hopefully for a good price.

    Synthetic diamonds ARE real diamonds. There is literally no difference aside from one was grown in a lab, and the other's sale likely contributed to the oppression and misery of brown people somewhere.

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  • PrioPrio Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Pinch,
    I got engaged late last year, and during my lengthy ring search, I definitely saw exactly what you are talking about. I can't find a link at the moment, but don't give up, you can find what you are looking for.
    Look through http://www.stuller.com/ they are a very common ring vendor, and there is almost certainly a local jeweler who could order whatever you like on their site for you.
    edit: also when you go to your local jeweler, be sure to ask to look at their catalogs - they almost always have catalogs from the wholesalers they work with, and you can order out of one of them if they don't have what you are looking for on site.

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  • NargorothRiPNargorothRiP Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    couple of other things to add. Ask to see its Gemological Appraisal Lab of America Certification or a certificate from a reputable lab. Second ask to look at it under a microscope. The reason for the cert, is to insure you are not gettng ripped off.

    You need to know what may have been done to the gem, if it is real, what imperfections it has, and most insurance policies require that before you can get an appraisal and insure it for that dollar amount.

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  • Pinch-a-LoafPinch-a-Loaf Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Walked to two local small-time jewelers at lunch and showed them that image I made. Both said they would look into it and get me a quote. Neither had ever seen a ring like that before, and neither seemed terribly confident that they would be able to find one in their catalogs. So I'll probably be getting quotes for custom ($$$) work from them. The one lady told me to look at that stuller.com website too, but no luck there so far.

    By the way, thank you guys for any additional helpful information you've been giving me that I hadn't even thought to ask for. I'm pretty much completely ignorant about synthetic vs natural, wholesalers vs retail, if cheap = scam, etc. It's easy to find information about stone sizes, cut, clarity, and all that, but not so cut-and-dry to get some of that other important information.

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  • PrioPrio Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    The Stuller website isn't very good in my opinion. Their catalog is much better - I would recommend going back - or trying someone else, and asking to look at their catalogs. Every independent jeweler I went to was happy to let me sit and look at their catalogs for as long as I wanted. A custom design will be a lot more expensive than if you can find one that is produced by a wholesaler.
    Unfortunately, since the style you are looking for is not very common, there are going to be very few options in production. You may end up having to go the custom route anyway if you are set on that style.

    General Advice: stay out of the mall and away from the big chains. You're getting married, this is unlikely to be the last piece of jewelry you buy and even if it is, an engagement ring should be cleaned and maintained by a professional periodically. If you find someone you can trust, who isn't trying to screw you for a quick buck, you can turn this into the start of two long relationships.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    The diamonds alone on that ring would run you $15K, not to mention the white gold or platinum custom work. just FYI. Do you have the budget for such a ring?

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  • PrioPrio Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I'm not sure what ring you're talking about illig, and having just had a custom ring created for me; I don't see any reason why you think it would cost that much. Custom ring work really isn't all that expensive, and diamond cost varies HUGELY based on what kind of quality sacrifices you are willing to make.
    My custom design cost less than $2k (for the metal, no diamonds) and I made the jeweler redesign it 4 times over 8 weeks until I was happy with it.
    If he can find something produced by a wholesaler that he likes, the ring itself might be less than half that much.

    e: I'm guessing you're talking about his photoshop mockup, and melee diamonds aren't that expensive and like I said, the center diamond cost has massive variance based on quality choices. The downside of having a ring this big is that it will make the center diamond look small - as much as I personally dislike the look, a halo setting like in the photoshop would be a good idea unless the OP can afford a massive diamond.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Walked to two local small-time jewelers at lunch and showed them that image I made. Both said they would look into it and get me a quote. Neither had ever seen a ring like that before, and neither seemed terribly confident that they would be able to find one in their catalogs.

    I'm surprised they say they haven't seen it, because I definitely saw rings like this when shopping for engagement and wedding rings. I don't however know if there's a specific name or style for the type of ring, so I can't really help narrow down the search much.

    edit: here's one that I think matches what you're talking about: http://www.weddingsbarnabrow.ie/jewellery.html, though it's probably a custom piece there as well.

    edit2: I've had some luck searching for insert wedding engagement rings (http://www.helzberg.com/category/engagement+&+wedding/solitaire+enhancers.do). Also, here (http://houston.craigslist.org/jwl/1592593762.html) is someone that looks to be selling one similar to what you're looking for, so you could possibly contact them just to see where they got it.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Blue nile also has an amazing website. I get all my gifty jewelry from that site.
    www.bluenile.com

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