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hey so can they do this

Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis God is loveRegistered User regular
edited February 2010 in Social Entropy++
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9DU1CRO0.htm
Missouri lawmakers are considering lowering the state's minimum wage -- but only for teenagers.

A Senate small-business committee has debated legislation that would allow employers to pay 75 percent of the state minimum wage to workers younger than 20. Republican Sen. Tom Dempsey of St. Charles says his bill would spur the hiring of younger workers to help them get experience.

Under the bill, the lower minimum wage would expire in 2013. Employers could not fire more experienced workers to hire younger people who could be paid less.

Business groups applaud the idea, but unions say it would be unfair to pay people less solely because of their age.

does this count as blatant discrimination or what

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    DaricDaric Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    no one lives in missouri anyway

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    StaleghotiStaleghoti Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Discrimination against who?

    Teenagers?

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    CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    That is a truly terrible idea

    "Business groups applaud the idea"

    YA THINK?!

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    Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis God is love Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Staleghoti wrote: »
    Discrimination against who?

    Teenagers?
    y-yes??

    people under 20 getting paid 75 percent what people over 20 get

    your paygrade being contingent on how many years you've been alive and no other factors seems pretty discriminatory to me

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited February 2010
    kids today make too much money anyways


    mow my lawn for 30 bucks pbsssh

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    SupraluminalSupraluminal Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Wow. Really, Missouri? $7.25 an hour and presumably no benefits is just breaking the bank?

    Christ on a crutch.

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    KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    this is pretty terrible

    USA USA

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    it's mean and shitty and doesn't sound very legal but it's smart

    young cats don't vote all that often, and they're getting the bulk of temp jobs anyway so slash and burn some more I guess?

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yes indeed, ageism is a thing. Now unless they cut taxes for kids or something, this shouldn't be passable in a nation of laws.

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    what's with all the silly goose laws getting passed lately

    what about that one a few weeks ago that allows corporations to basically fund political campaigns

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    American politics continue to amaze me.

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    CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Apparently they don't realize how many people under 20 have their own places, families, or other dependents.

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited February 2010
    man when I had my first job minimum wage was like 5.50

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    Draco_AuricDraco_Auric Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It's bullshit, but don't a bunch of places do this already?

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    KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    hey guys ive got some lobbyists trying to get fat people payed less until they lose weight

    it'll help them lose weight and then business will hire more of them!

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    CrackedLensCrackedLens Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Daric wrote: »
    no one lives in missouri anyway

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    William Munny disagrees

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Kovak wrote: »
    hey guys ive got some lobbyists trying to get fat people payed less until they lose weight

    it'll help them lose weight and then business will hire more of them!

    they want smokers to lose rights as well

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I think in many other countries there would be riots if politicians passed legislation like that.

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    KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    my professional opinion for lowering minimum wage for teenagers is that you will increase the demand for illegal jobs

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    redheadredhead Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    who will like this? teenagers will be all "less money for the same amount of work? awfulllll" and non-teenagers will be like "great, time to never get hired for any job a teenager could also do"

    this just seems like it will be really unpopular

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    celandinecelandine Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    This is actually a smart idea.

    The minimum wage is why it's so hard for teenagers to get jobs. And, for teenagers, the benefits of a job are usually about the experience, and not the pay, if they're supported by their parents. (Some aren't; so maybe it's too blunt an instrument.)

    Actually the minimum wage in general isn't such a great idea, because it increases unemployment. Letting it drop wouldn't be such a bad thing in a recession.

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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    redhead wrote: »
    who will like this? teenagers will be all "less money for the same amount of work? awfulllll" and non-teenagers will be like "great, time to never get hired for any job a teenager could also do"

    this just seems like it will be really unpopular

    Businesses say "Awesome, we can just keep rotating people under 20 in and pay less"

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    CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Them teenagers stealin' all our jerbs

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It's bullshit, but don't a bunch of places do this already?

    They do, but that lower paycheck is usually compensated somehow. Like by having to pay less tax, for instance.

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited February 2010
    I remember when I worked at a restaurant everyone was a smoker so they could get a smoke break basically whenever they felt like not working

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    celandine wrote: »
    This is actually a smart idea.

    The minimum wage is why it's so hard for teenagers to get jobs. And, for teenagers, the benefits of a job are usually about the experience, and not the pay, if they're supported by their parents. (Some aren't; so maybe it's too blunt an instrument.)

    Actually the minimum wage in general isn't such a great idea, because it increases unemployment. Letting it drop wouldn't be such a bad thing in a recession.

    man teenagers aren't supposed to get decent jobs starting out, why?

    because most of them are useless

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    Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis God is love Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    celandine wrote: »
    This is actually a smart idea.

    The minimum wage is why it's so hard for teenagers to get jobs. And, for teenagers, the benefits of a job are usually about the experience, and not the pay, if they're supported by their parents. (Some aren't; so maybe it's too blunt an instrument.)

    Actually the minimum wage in general isn't such a great idea, because it increases unemployment. Letting it drop wouldn't be such a bad thing in a recession.
    ...

    what

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Cant' blame 'em. I buy ragged dick all the time.

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    CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    celandine wrote: »
    This is actually a smart idea.

    The minimum wage is why it's so hard for teenagers to get jobs. And, for teenagers, the benefits of a job are usually about the experience, and not the pay, if they're supported by their parents. (Some aren't; so maybe it's too blunt an instrument.)

    Actually the minimum wage in general isn't such a great idea, because it increases unemployment. Letting it drop wouldn't be such a bad thing in a recession.

    Yeah it kind of benefits the kids who don't need the money because they will be hired on easier, but the thousands of teenagers who are living off of this wage and trying to support themselves or a family are going to suffer greatly.

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    satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    heh

    dick

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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    celandine wrote: »
    Actually the minimum wage in general isn't such a great idea, because it increases unemployment. Letting it drop wouldn't be such a bad thing in a recession.

    Yeah, I mean.


    Let's just drop the minimum wage alltogether.


    Who cares if workers can eat or have a place to live, the important thing is that we employ a bunch of people who can't eat or have a place to live.

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    celandinecelandine Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I actually don't know the numbers on this; if there are actually lots of independent teenagers on minimum wage then it's a pain.

    But the group most likely to be unemployed (by the definition of "looking for a job") is 18-21. Why not make it easier to employ them?

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    No way in Hell should money be taken away from someone on the basis that it might be a help to someone else who mooches of their parents.

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    redheadredhead Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    celandine wrote: »
    This is actually a smart idea.

    The minimum wage is why it's so hard for teenagers to get jobs. And, for teenagers, the benefits of a job are usually about the experience, and not the pay, if they're supported by their parents. (Some aren't; so maybe it's too blunt an instrument.)

    Actually the minimum wage in general isn't such a great idea, because it increases unemployment. Letting it drop wouldn't be such a bad thing in a recession.

    i don't think the benefits of making it easier for parent-supported teenagers to get jobs outweigh the negatives of making it really tough on teenagers who have to support themselves/others and making it unfairly difficult for 20 year olds to get a basic job for which they would be competing with teenagers

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    the financial model for deciding once and for all that it was time for them to fuck over teenagers is something i'd like to see

    it makes sense. most of the jobs a kid can get now seems to be something temporary or something picked up in a trade school

    around here that is usually CDL licenses and truckin'

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    CrackedLensCrackedLens Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    also hello Mr. Henry Bemis

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited February 2010
    Khavall wrote: »
    celandine wrote: »
    Actually the minimum wage in general isn't such a great idea, because it increases unemployment. Letting it drop wouldn't be such a bad thing in a recession.

    Yeah, I mean.


    Let's just drop the minimum wage alltogether.


    Who cares if workers can eat or have a place to live, the important thing is that we employ a bunch of people who can't eat or have a place to live.

    It's true. If they have no place to go they will basically be forced to work more hours.

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