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Nanny Camming - Is it ok and how do I do it?

ResIpsaLoquiturResIpsaLoquitur Not a grammar nazi, just alt-write.Registered User regular
edited February 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
Okay, so here's the set up:

I have a little one, 6 months old, and while his mom and I have done a good job taking care of him without outside help, our work and school schedules are going to make that impossible in the long run.

One possible solution is to bring a babysitter into the mix, since we don't need full time daycare.

I have a webcam on my computer at home (which is in the living room, where said babysitter would be spending most of the time with my son), which I've been thinking of using to be able to check on babysitter and son through the day (through remote client access).

Three issues present themselves:

1) Is it okay to monitor babysitter and child without divulging said monitoring to the babysitter? Mostly the webcam is to check on the baby, but checking up on the babysitter doesn't seem like a bad idea either.

2) How would I go about doing this, software-wise?

3) Based on the answer to #2, would I be able to do this without setting off tell-tale signs to the babysitter (ie, the light to the webcam popping on and off)?

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  • claypoolfanclaypoolfan Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It's legal. Not sure how you would go about it though.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    legally? you might be okay

    ethically? this is a horrible idea and you should probably feel bad about it

    edit: if you're really worried about what's going on there's no reason you can't disclose the camera's existence to the babysitter

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    bsjezz wrote: »
    legally? you might be okay

    ethically? this is a horrible idea and you should feel bad

    Interrogative: Are you a parent?

    If you're on XP, you could probably rig up TimerShot and a tiny SSL-secured web server sharing out that directory to check up on things. Vista/7 I'm not sure offhand.

    And as far as the light, take apart the camera and remove it, cover it with tape, or just get a cam that has no indicator light. :P

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  • SolandraSolandra Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I would just do it and tell the sitter that you're doing it. Explain that being away from the baby is hard enough, being able to see the baby while you're at work is such a tremendous comfort (yadda yadda, sappy but more than reasonable). That way it's less like spying and more like working in an adjoining room. Plus, nobody feels betrayed when it is eventually found out. A lot of daycares are using a closed circuit feed for parents to watch during the day, so you have a commercial precident.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    From a pragmatic standpoint, monitoring cameras are much more effective when people know about them. So not telling the nanny about them doesn't make a lot of sense. Your goal is to prevent bad behavior in the first place, not observe it after the fact.

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    From a pragmatic standpoint, monitoring cameras are much more effective when people know about them. So not telling the nanny about them doesn't make a lot of sense. Your goal is to prevent bad behavior in the first place, not observe it after the fact.


    Plus, when you pick a sitter you know that you're getting one that's confident enough to be monitored.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    admanb wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    From a pragmatic standpoint, monitoring cameras are much more effective when people know about them. So not telling the nanny about them doesn't make a lot of sense. Your goal is to prevent bad behavior in the first place, not observe it after the fact.


    Plus, when you pick a sitter you know that you're getting one that's confident enough to be monitored.

    Pretend I limed all of this, because it was pretty much going to be my suggestion.

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  • LewieP's MummyLewieP's Mummy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Two of my local nurseries advertise that they have web cam in each room, so you can see what your child is doing, and check up on the staff if you feel the need to!

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  • CrossBusterCrossBuster Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It seems like it would be best if he or she knows that the room is being monitored.

    Obviously, it deters bad behavior, and may result in some crappy nannies self-selecting out of your pool of applicants.

    Plus, it gives the nanny some peace of mind, knowing that if something bad happens which truly isn't her fault, she'll probably be able to prove it.

    When I babysat years ago, I was always really paranoid about getting blamed for every scraped knee or bump (and I obviously didn't want an injury on my conscience), making me a little over-protective.

    If I knew that I could prove that I wasn't being negligent in case something beyond my control happened, I probably would have been a better babysitter.

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  • DisrupterDisrupter Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Id tell them you have a camera set up to monitor the kid, but not specify where, so that way they wont simply go to another room to do their drug deals or boyfriend pleasing!

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    You're not necessarily on sound legal footing if the sitter doesn't know about it. Some states have laws against recording/surveilling people without their knowledge.

    Just tell the sitter you have the cam set up.

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  • CrossBusterCrossBuster Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Id tell them you have a camera set up to monitor the kid, but not specify where, so that way they wont simply go to another room to do their drug deals or boyfriend pleasing!

    Not a bad idea.

    But if we're dealing with an external webcam sitting in plain view on top of the PC monitor in the living room, the nanny will probably be able to make an educated guess as to where they're being filmed.

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  • NatanekoNataneko Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    And while I understand that you're worried about letting your kid under someone else's supervision, try and get a nanny you don't feel the need to watch trough a webcam.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I'm really surprised at the people who seem to think that anyone, let alone an untrained parent with limited resources, can adequately screen babysitter applicants to the point where they can be 100% certain that they made a good choice. That's just not realistic. Nor should it be expected.

    There are professionals who get tricked in the interview and screening process all the time. Why would you expect a parent to be able to do this any better? Suffice it to say that if they had the time to do a perfect, thorough job they wouldn't need a sitter to begin with.

    There's also the whole notion that shit happens, and even a reasonably good person doing a reasonably good job most of the time can find or put themselves in situations where having an objective record of the events would be a good thing for all parties involved. Anyway, I'm going to let that go.

    To the OP:

    1. Tell all applicants during their interviews that as a parent you feel the responsible thing to do is to have some cameras set up to make sure that nothing happens while you are away. Whether you want to tell them where those cameras are is up to you.

    2. Make it clear that it is not only for your child's benefit, but for theirs as well - this way if something happens that is out of their control they can't be blamed for it.

    3. Also make it clear that you will not be using these records to evaluate every little thing they do - rather, it will be a "just in case" measure that will allow you to monitor serious situations should they arise, and provide feedback on things that you feel are important to how your child should be taught and cared for. There is a very wide range of what is reasonable behavior with regards to child rearing, and as long as they don't violate any of the rules you have laid out there's no reason for them to feel like they are being scrutinized.

    4. Ask them if they are OK with this type of setup, and if not then find someone else.


    As for the actual camera setup, I'll leave that for the more experienced people to help you with.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    You can buy fake cameras for fairly cheap, if you want to give the impression that your home is fully covered (even if it isn't)

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