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I'm going over to a buddy's to play Warhammer today for the first time ever. I have zero idea of what I'm doing. He gave me this several hundred page rulebook that just makes my head spin, plus a separate book I'm supposed to read about the units for the army I'm using.
Does anyone know where I can find an abridged guide or rulebook that'll give me the basics?
By far the easiest way to learn is by playing. It will make no sense until you have played a few games and understand the basic flow of the game.
If your friend is unwilling to walk you through the first few games and help explain tactical decisions to you to give you a fighting chance until you are more familiar with the rules find someone else who will.
Like with chess, for your first few games you need someone who will stop you making rookie mistakes and warn you about dangerous situations rather than quietly capitalizing on them, or you will just lose badly and have no fun.
The main rulebook has the general gameplay rules for multiple types of battle, the general rules for how combat occurs, and special rules that apply to certain types of units, squads, and weapons.
The other book is the "Armies" description for the army you'll be using, and contains specific stats on the types of units/squads within that army, and what special rules apply to those (the descriptions of those special rules being in the main rulebook).
If I were teaching you how to play, I'd advise you to read the following, in this order:
1. The General Rules of Combat and Order of Battle, in the Main Rulebook
2. Skim the unit descriptions and stats, in the Army book
3. Reference the appropriate Special Rules that apply to your units from the Main Rulebook, as needed.
If he's a good teacher, he'll already know which of the special rules apply to each of your units or squads and as the battle progresses he'll help you reference and apply them properly.
If you really get into it, you'll invest in your own Rulebook, choose the army you want to play, then design and purchase units/squads for your own army based on your understanding of the rules and how they apply during a battle. Basically it gets easier because you know what units you have and only have to remember the rules that apply to each type.
I'm going over to a buddy's to play Warhammer today for the first time ever. I have zero idea of what I'm doing. He gave me this several hundred page rulebook that just makes my head spin, plus a separate book I'm supposed to read about the units for the army I'm using.
Does anyone know where I can find an abridged guide or rulebook that'll give me the basics?
Go into your local Gameswork shop. They're gagging to show you how.
No seriously I went in mine the other day for a book and didn't get away until I'd played a game, done a painting tutorial and been signed up for another painting class.
There's no Games Workshop store in the Boston area anymore, but there are clubs like the 'Arvard Ard Boyz(shameless plug) who meet up on Thursday nights at Pandemonium in Central Square. I've always gained a stronger hold on tabletop games by seeing them rather than just reading the book.
There's even a Warhammer Fantasy Tournament going on right now(seriously, right now!) if you want to swing by and watch people play.
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"I was there, I was there, the day Horus slew the Emperor." -Cpt Garviel Loken
There are four stages to your turn - movement, magic, shooting, combat.
In the back of your codex for the army you're going to play, there's a 'cheat sheet' for all of the stats.
It's going to be really complicated, but remember those things and just play. Take as much time as you need to figure it out. If your friend is a dick and just steamrolls you without explaining things, don't play with him.
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EshTending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles.Portland, ORRegistered Userregular
edited February 2010
I don't want to start a new thread so I'll just ask in here...
Aren't there a couple tabletop wargames that have pre-painted miniatures? And decent looking ones at that? Not like the D&D ones. I seem to remember there being a futuristic one ala 40k I was looking at a while ago.
There's no Games Workshop store in the Boston area anymore, but there are clubs like the 'Arvard Ard Boyz(shameless plug) who meet up on Thursday nights at Pandemonium in Central Square. I've always gained a stronger hold on tabletop games by seeing them rather than just reading the book.
There's even a Warhammer Fantasy Tournament going on right now(seriously, right now!) if you want to swing by and watch people play.
Mmmm maybe next time. I feel like this is the sort of thing I'll take a bigger look at around PAX (soon!).
It sounds like I more or less will have to learn by playing, which suits me fine. Hopefully I don't drive my friend crazy.
You're basically going to be confused the first three or four times you play. After that you will be less confused, but it will take another 3-4 games to get the point where you don't have to refer to the rules every turn.
That is just how it is.
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hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I think that's it. Too bad I don't really like any of those factions. Apes? Really?
Play 40k but buy pre-painted stuff off ebay.
It's a thought. I used to play 40k back in the Rogue Trader days. I had ROBOTS. Anyone remember those?
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kaliyamaLeft to find less-moderated foraRegistered Userregular
edited February 2010
I wasn't crazy about AT-43, probably because it came with a poster for a map and i want to shell out for a totally awesome 3D terrain set a la necromunda.
If you can, play a small point game with him. 500 to 750 points should be about right (or is for 40k anyway).
This will allow you to learn the turn structure and game flow without having to worry about all the special rules and different profiles for a ton of different units.
I'm about 9 games in to 40k and my first three were 500 point games -- it really helped me out.
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There are some acts so ruthless, some deeds so unpalatable, that only the Vlka Fenryka are capable of undertaking them. It's what we were bred for. It's the way we were designed. Without qualm or sentiment, without hesitation or whimsy. We take pride in being the only Astartes who will never, under any circumstances, refuse to strike on the Allfather's behalf, no matter what the target, no matter what the cause.
Grundle, I just noticed you are in Boston. If you find you're getting in to the game and want to learn more I would suggest taking a trip up to The Game Castle in Londonderry, NH. They have a super nice group of players and even have an organization set up to teach new people the game. That's where I'm learning.
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There are some acts so ruthless, some deeds so unpalatable, that only the Vlka Fenryka are capable of undertaking them. It's what we were bred for. It's the way we were designed. Without qualm or sentiment, without hesitation or whimsy. We take pride in being the only Astartes who will never, under any circumstances, refuse to strike on the Allfather's behalf, no matter what the target, no matter what the cause.
There's no Games Workshop store in the Boston area anymore
I find it hard to believe that a city (Boston) with a metro population twice that of the STATE I live in (Iowa) doesn't have one GW dealer when there's two within an hour's drive of where I live.
Believe it, there are no GW's in Massachusetts. But that is ok, because a GW would not let you play Warmachine, Hordes, or Flames of War like the ard boyz do.
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"I was there, I was there, the day Horus slew the Emperor." -Cpt Garviel Loken
Believe it, there are no GW's in Massachusetts. But that is ok, because a GW would not let you play Warmachine, Hordes, or Flames of War like the ard boyz do.
'Ard Boyz play Warmachine? Not last time I checked.
But the 'Ard Boyz are awesome, awesome people. Get to their events (I have no idea where they're playing now) and they'll all be very happy to give you some pointers and help.
The 'Arvard 'Ard Boyz have a couple WM players, although for WM I'd recommand posting on the forums to arrange a game ahead of time. I am hopefully going to get my first MK2 game in this week.
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"I was there, I was there, the day Horus slew the Emperor." -Cpt Garviel Loken
I ended up playing a dwarf army, but the game didn't really happen because half the mans weren't put together yet and my friend didn't actually remember the rules, so once we started playing each turn took about an hour. Hopefully next time is a bit more organized
There's no Games Workshop store in the Boston area anymore
I find it hard to believe that a city (Boston) with a metro population twice that of the STATE I live in (Iowa) doesn't have one GW dealer when there's two within an hour's drive of where I live.
You know, that's pretty common lots of places. There are many fewer grognardy gaming orgs. in big metro aras. I think this has something to do with red state/blue state cultural differences, given that the people who are into them are a bit nutty.
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If your friend is unwilling to walk you through the first few games and help explain tactical decisions to you to give you a fighting chance until you are more familiar with the rules find someone else who will.
Like with chess, for your first few games you need someone who will stop you making rookie mistakes and warn you about dangerous situations rather than quietly capitalizing on them, or you will just lose badly and have no fun.
The other book is the "Armies" description for the army you'll be using, and contains specific stats on the types of units/squads within that army, and what special rules apply to those (the descriptions of those special rules being in the main rulebook).
If I were teaching you how to play, I'd advise you to read the following, in this order:
1. The General Rules of Combat and Order of Battle, in the Main Rulebook
2. Skim the unit descriptions and stats, in the Army book
3. Reference the appropriate Special Rules that apply to your units from the Main Rulebook, as needed.
If he's a good teacher, he'll already know which of the special rules apply to each of your units or squads and as the battle progresses he'll help you reference and apply them properly.
If you really get into it, you'll invest in your own Rulebook, choose the army you want to play, then design and purchase units/squads for your own army based on your understanding of the rules and how they apply during a battle. Basically it gets easier because you know what units you have and only have to remember the rules that apply to each type.
Go into your local Gameswork shop. They're gagging to show you how.
No seriously I went in mine the other day for a book and didn't get away until I'd played a game, done a painting tutorial and been signed up for another painting class.
There's even a Warhammer Fantasy Tournament going on right now(seriously, right now!) if you want to swing by and watch people play.
Currently painting: Slowly [flickr]
In the back of your codex for the army you're going to play, there's a 'cheat sheet' for all of the stats.
It's going to be really complicated, but remember those things and just play. Take as much time as you need to figure it out. If your friend is a dick and just steamrolls you without explaining things, don't play with him.
Aren't there a couple tabletop wargames that have pre-painted miniatures? And decent looking ones at that? Not like the D&D ones. I seem to remember there being a futuristic one ala 40k I was looking at a while ago.
Currently painting: Slowly [flickr]
I think that's it. Too bad I don't really like any of those factions. Apes? Really?
Mmmm maybe next time. I feel like this is the sort of thing I'll take a bigger look at around PAX (soon!).
It sounds like I more or less will have to learn by playing, which suits me fine. Hopefully I don't drive my friend crazy.
Apes.
Apes in power armor.
EDIT: Do you like your face eaten? I thought so.
That is just how it is.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Play 40k but buy pre-painted stuff off ebay.
It's a thought. I used to play 40k back in the Rogue Trader days. I had ROBOTS. Anyone remember those?
Yes, both Horus and the Imperium made heavy use of them during the assault on terra to limit human casualties. How things have changed.
Do you know what army you'll be playing? We can give some strategy hints.
This will allow you to learn the turn structure and game flow without having to worry about all the special rules and different profiles for a ton of different units.
I'm about 9 games in to 40k and my first three were 500 point games -- it really helped me out.
I find it hard to believe that a city (Boston) with a metro population twice that of the STATE I live in (Iowa) doesn't have one GW dealer when there's two within an hour's drive of where I live.
Currently painting: Slowly [flickr]
'Ard Boyz play Warmachine? Not last time I checked.
But the 'Ard Boyz are awesome, awesome people. Get to their events (I have no idea where they're playing now) and they'll all be very happy to give you some pointers and help.
Currently painting: Slowly [flickr]
I ended up playing a dwarf army, but the game didn't really happen because half the mans weren't put together yet and my friend didn't actually remember the rules, so once we started playing each turn took about an hour. Hopefully next time is a bit more organized
You know, that's pretty common lots of places. There are many fewer grognardy gaming orgs. in big metro aras. I think this has something to do with red state/blue state cultural differences, given that the people who are into them are a bit nutty.
http://www.hmgs.org/pocs.htm
http://www.hmgs.org/clubs.htm
All of the MA chapters are in western mass country very different than boston.