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Mall Cop: Whos right?
MagicToaster
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I park my car in a mall parking lot 1 minute away from the train station I use to get to work. There is a mall cop that patrols making sure that the poeple who use the parking are mall customers. To this day, I have managed to dodge him, but he's swift and he caught me today.
Basically, he asked me not to park there unless I was using the mall. I told him that I didn't think it was wrong for me to use an empty lot, he insisted that I cannot.
Now, I don't see any signs that say "For exclusive use of ______"
So my question is, who is wrong? Is it me, or is he?
Basically, he asked me not to park there unless I was using the mall. I told him that I didn't think it was wrong for me to use an empty lot, he insisted that I cannot.
Now, I don't see any signs that say "For exclusive use of ______"
So my question is, who is wrong? Is it me, or is he?
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But as far as I know if he said you can't, you can't.
That said, where I live at least, they can't legally have a car towed unless they own it so there is nothing they can do. Also where I live without the signs you can't get a ticket for parking there.
It is definitely "wrong" for you to park there because its their property and they have the sole right to benefit from it, but chances are nothing bad will happen to you or your car as a result (unless the laws in your area are quite a bit different than in mine.) I do acknowledge your point about if its an empty lot its not really a big deal, though.
If that guy really doesn't want you parking there, just find another lot to park in that probably won't care as much. My work is a store right next to campus and we regularly have kids park in our lot, which is tiny and between us, the pizza hut, subway, gas station, and convenience store most of the parking is needed. We get ALOT of aggressive dicks come at us when we tell them they can't park there so most of us have stopped, but one of the guys from pizza hut goes after them all the time and gets in yelling matches. Basically, its just easier for everyone involved if you just respect the mall cop's wishes and find somewhere else to park.
Although you don't mention it so I doubt you do it, another issue from his perspective is the mistreatment of their property. My store also has a TON of taxi drivers who park there and sit/sleep in their cars, despite us having called the taxi companies and told them to tell their drivers they aren't allowed to park in our lot. They are often extremely rude, and we fairly regularly catch them pissing on the side of our store.
It happened to a friend of mine. The glue they use for those is a huge pain in the ass to remove. It looked like something you'd see at GameStop, only 6" to an edge.
The thing about a parking lot owned by a business is that they usually don't have to post "for exclusive use by _ " notices unless they are charging for parking (like a paid parking lot in a city), all they have to do is take reasonable steps to notify the driver either with a notice or in person before they take removal action. Since you've already been notified, if your car is towed after today you won't have any recourse.
Just find somewhere else to park. You gotta pick your battles.
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I made a promise to the idiot that runs that parking lot that I will never set foot in it again, so long as I lived. I intend to stick to that promise.
Find out who owns the mall and call them up and ask if you can pay for a parking space at like $1 a day to avoid getting towed.
I guess walking to the train station is good exercise, say that you're trying to live a healthier life if they're not going for it and walking to the train station.
You seem to have a theme going on here.
exactly what I was thinking
In all likelihood, you will be towed, fined, or booted by the mall cop should you continue to park there, even if you get a receipt. The receipt will be a useful tool to combat this, but by all accounts you should find another parking lot, preferably by sucking it up and parking in the lot for the service you are using.
I guess the question now is if your pride is worth paying $300 to reclaim you car from a towing company, repeated mall purchases, or a lengthy walk from a more distant parking location.
Definitely do try to talk to the owners of the mall and see if you can work something out. That's extra income for them, and a good place to park for you.
Regardless, you have no right to park in the mall parking lot if you're not a mall customer.
Get over yourself and park where appropriate or find another means to get to the train station.
well if that's the case, there's not really a "wrong" or "right" about this, as there's no longer an issue.
In the future, I suppose you could either hire a lawyer to look up the appropriate laws for you, or you can just leave your car there and see if it gets towed.
The latter might seem like bad advice, but it's most likely cheaper than the former.
edit: Oh wait, the train station parking lot is the one you promised not to set foot in. In that case, talk to the owner of the mall parking lot and ask if you can park there and then it won't be an issue.
Sounds like you're going to have to live with the consequences of your poor decisions.
Either buck up and park in the train station lot, or find somewhere else to park.
It would probably be the cheapest solution for you long term if you're determined to park near the train station and I don't see why the mall would say no.
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Seems pretty reasonable. I live in the downtown core of Toronto, so parking space is at a premium. Several apartment buildings in the area recognize this, and thus are willing to rent their parking spots out to people in the area (some buildings don't have parking at all, like mine) or those who are in the area regularly.
Probably best to at least start with mall management if you can, try to work out something reasonable. Having a little thing 'on the side' with the one guy doesn't really help you if he's off sick or on vacation and some other guy fills in and isn't aware of (or doesn't care about) your little arrangement.
I was planning on visiting the administrative offices today after work and seeing if there is an arrangement I can reach with them.
ahahahaha
you would rightly be laughed at by everyone if you tried to make the case that you just happened to buy a pack of gum in the morning right before you usually are at work but instead of working you were just carousing the mall for nine hours yet somehow you aren't homeless or retired
What I mean is that you are going to give them money and your car is still going to get towed.
That wasn't my point. My point was saying that they can tow you for buying a pack of gum at 8:00 and not buying something the rest of the day is stupid. Unless someone starts subpoenaing records to prove it. It's not ridiculous to suggest it, because there is, and are, and always will be people that do just exactly that, but it probably won't work in his specific case.
My mom, for instance, would go to the mall when it opened, buy something at a store, and careen around the mall for about 5 hours or so. I just want to, hopefully, get you to understand that it wasn't a left field "ahahaha buy a pack of gum gives you the right to park at the mall all day" remark. (which it kind of does, but not in his case)
No.
Okay, okay, before this gets really crazy stupid with technicalities; buying 15 pairs of underwear at a JCPenny in the mall doesn't entitle you to park in the mall parking lot all day either, even if you take all day to do it.
That's ultimately not the point.
Walking in, buying the gum, and leaving is what I'm talking about. Not the scheme you're dreaming up where you buy something and then lie to them about window shopping the rest of the day.
This. Essentially, anything he does now won't keep him from being towed in any likelihood. As towing companies almost operate beyond the law, if he gets towed he will have to pay their fee to get his car back. Having a receipt from the mall may allow him to get his fee back from the mall company through litigation, but its still unlikely.
From where I sit, the best thing he can do now is park in the lot he is supposed to. But if he values pride over prudence, then he has other options, such as staying in the mall parking lot, and he will have to take responsibilities for the consequences (being towed, etc). We don't know what the altercation with the trainyard owner was about, and he may be entirely justified in his refusal to park there.
There's a difference between
"Shit this gum is great let me buy it" and then going window shopping for 9 hours and then leaving (which is perfectly legal and fine, which was laughed at)
and
"Shit this gum is great, let me buy it" and then skedoodling to work while leaving your car there for 9 hours (which is not).
Just saying the first one is perfectly fine to do. Just irked me about a response which sounded to me like "hahahaha that was stupid."