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Does light REALLY hurt spices?

TekDragonTekDragon __BANNED USERS regular
edited March 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
Everywhere on the net websites repeat the old mantra 'store in a cool, dry, dark location' for tips on getting the most out of your spices. Research into dampness and heat and their effect on spices reveals plenty of solid results. Dampness can make your spices moldy and heat can break down parts of your spices responsible for the aroma and taste.

The one thing that I can't find, however, is how light effects spices. Now sunlight is pretty obviously a bad thing, because it heats up whatever it hits. But what on earth could be wrong with one, or a pair of, medium wattage light bulbs 8-15 feet away? Nothing that I could think of, and nothing I could search for. Yet, for some reason, every site I find insists you store them behind a door.

My GF (Indian) and I (Italian) use a LOT of spices. We have 30-40 jars ranging in size from 2-16 ounces depending on how often we use the spice. These jars are solid glass with really heavy and tight-fitting glass lids with rubber seals. The jars are, however, transparent.

We really don't have anywhere to put these jars besides stacked against the counter wall (well away from any heat sources like the stove). However, I'm worried that, despite the complete absence of any supporting research, perhaps light (no heat, just light) does somehow hurt spices.

Thoughts?

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  • Bliss 101Bliss 101 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Ultraviolet light has all kinds of effects at the molecular level, so it makes sense that spices should be protected from sunlight. But it's hard to believe indoor lighting would have any noticeable effect.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    If you're not storing dried spices for years at a time, I doubt it matters much.

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Checking with my gf, Bowen is right. My thinking is that language abt light is surplusage, because it's a common phrase and presumably very high temps would damage spices. Room temp in a non-tropical or desert clime should be fine.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Some people have kitchens with abundant sunlight, so storage locations are more important. But yes, your original assumption is correct -- "store out of direct light" generally refers to sunlight, not indoor lighting.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    It's mostly because a lot of people put their spice racks right near their stove/oven. This is overall bad for them for long periods of times. But if you use them frequently and don't keep them for more than 3-6 months it's not usually an issue I don't think. Light, not so much, I haven't heard too much about light destroying spices.

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  • Bliss 101Bliss 101 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I got curious and searched a bit, mostly finding articles about the "flavors" of quarks, whatever the hell that means, but I found these (and now I have to reverse my earlier opinion):

    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112610302/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11913693

    So apparently light from typical fluorescent light can degrade the flavors in meat and dairy products, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to assume that some spices would be vulnerable too.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    That also appears to be from long term exposure (ie, milk sitting on freezer shelves for days).

    I can't say in my entire life if I've really had a visibly, noticeable difference from food or products stored in front of light for substantial periods of time.

    Other than wet/warm/light places usually tend to grown some funky things when compared to dry/cool/dark places.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I dunno if it's light or time or whatever, but fresh ground spices are a lot more pungent then powdered spices that have been sitting around for months. It's not a bad or good thing, but you will need more of spices that have been ground and sitting around to get the seasoning effect of whole spices that are fresh ground.

    Same thing with whole spices that are fresh vs. whole spices that are 6 months old.

    Same thing with recently bought ground spices vs. ground spices that have sat around for 6 months.

    It also varies by spice. Whole dried bay leaves lose their pungency much slower then whole cardamom pods for example.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Yeah the ground cinnamon I've had in my rack for 2 years now is probably not as good as one I'd buy right now.

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Let me caveat that earlier statement with links gf sent me; direct sunlight does degrade spices. Is store them in opaque containers an call it a day.

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  • TekDragonTekDragon __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2010
    Thanks a lot, guys.

    What I'm walking away from this discussion is this: storing your spices outside of a kitchen cupboard is ok, so long as they are in a sealed container (to prevent moisture) and away from windows (heat) and the stove/oven (heat).

    Opaque containers may be a good option, but the benefit vs cost ratio doesn't necessarily make it worth it. Consider getting opaque containers (tins) for expensive and sensitive spices like saffron.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    you're also safe if you regularly use the spices... spices get old (and one of the ways they get old is via sunlight, heat, cold, humidity, etc. etc.)... but if you cycle through them regularly, you shouldn't have issues....

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  • starmanbrandstarmanbrand Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Tek, this calls for SCIENCE.

    Buy fresh spices. Keep part in the pantry, part on the counter in an opqaue jar, part on the counter on a clear jar, and store part in a clear jar in the sun.

    See if you can taste the difference after a couple days.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    If you are going through your spices relatively fast, then it shouldnt degrate the quality of htem noticably.

    Relatively fast is once every month of two before running out and buying more.

    However if you are storing them for use just on holidays, Then its better to stick to the dark, dry, cool.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    If spices seriously degraded, would they be sold in clear glass containers? I mean most things that are sensitive to light like that are sold in opaque containers already because anything that's shelf-stable typically spends a long time, you know, on a shelf in a grocery store.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Beer degrades in visible light and yet it's sold in green and clear bottles. This is a non-issue for highly used spice, but something like fenugreek seed, which I use once in a blue moon, it's likely I won't finish a spice bottles worth until it's pretty weak.

    Cardamom seed is a good example. When you break open the pod, the seeds/pits should be almost black, if they are grey they have very little flavor and don't taste so good. This will happen inside of 6 months, often significantly sooner.

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  • BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Djeet wrote: »
    Beer degrades in visible light and yet it's sold in green and clear bottles. This is a non-issue for highly used spice, but something like fenugreek seed, which I use once in a blue moon, it's likely I won't finish a spice bottles worth until it's pretty weak.

    Cardamom seed is a good example. When you break open the pod, the seeds/pits should be almost black, if they are grey they have very little flavor and don't taste so good. This will happen inside of 6 months, often significantly sooner.

    Coffee degrades quickly upon exposure to air and light, and those little bags of whole beans from Starbucks or wherever aren't really meant for storage after they've been opened since they aren't airtight (yet they're designed to let you close them anyway). Worse are those little bins of coffee beans near an in-store grinder. Those beans have been sitting there for who knows how long, exposed to both air and direct light. The oils in coffee do go rancid.

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  • travathiantravathian Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    TekDragon wrote: »
    Opaque containers may be a good option, but the benefit vs cost ratio doesn't necessarily make it worth it. Consider getting opaque containers (tins) for expensive and sensitive spices like saffron.

    You can get amber or frosted glass jars at a pretty reasonable price if you avoid specialty places or pharmaceutical grade stuff.

    edit: And lots of chemical reactions are sped up by just normal sunlight or the light given off by a 60w bulb. It has nothing to do with heating things up really, its just that when light strikes something it transfers energy, which at the right wavelength can be enough for a chemical reaction to move forward. This is why sunlight is worse, because its got such a wide spectrum compared to indoor lighting.

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  • NewtonNewton Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Djeet wrote: »
    Beer degrades in visible light and yet it's sold in green and clear bottles.

    Crappy, skunky beers are sold in green and clear bottles. Good beer comes in brown or opaque bottles.

    For spices you use frequently, they'll be fine on the counter away from the stove, dishwasher and windows. For stuff you rarely use, put it in a ziploc bag and toss it in the freezer. They'll last a lot longer that way.

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  • LindenLinden Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Bliss 101 wrote: »
    I got curious and searched a bit, mostly finding articles about the "flavors" of quarks, whatever the hell that means, but I found these (and now I have to reverse my earlier opinion):

    A touch off-topic – this is a case where physicists have borrowed a common word for use in a completely different context.

    As for the impact of light on reactions: heat is one component, but I'd guess that the more probable trigger is from the fact that, as travathian says, there are some ridiculous things a photon of the correct wavelength can do to an organic molecule (such as a spice!). Photochemistry* can be a little odd – I would suggest that it's best to store your spices in a cool, dark, dry environment, but that's good for most things. I would also avoid freezing them, but that's partially because I'm in a humid climate, so that would result in them being enveloped in ice crystals. Don't stress it too much, unless you're buying vast quantities of the stuff. That said, don't use grocery stores and the like as benchmarks – things shouldn't be sitting on the shelves there for any significant length of time.

    *yes, this is a real thing. Yes, this is in fact how we get ozone in the stratosphere. Yes, it is also how you see.

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