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Thinking of getting into Evangelion

The Last GentThe Last Gent Registered User regular
edited March 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
So, I'm only a casual anime fan, and I've never seen Evangelion, despite hearing that it's like the Watchmen of the Anime world.

I know that the new movies are coming out, but I kind of want to try and watch the original series + movie. I have for a couple years, just the new movies reminded me and motivated me to get into gear.

So I guess the question is, A) is it worth it, B) How hard is it to track down DVDs of the series+movie (I'm in Canada for reference) C) is it worth trying to track down the DVDs and D) Failing that, is there someplace to watch it online, movie included?

Thanks for any tips.

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    subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Opinion hat on, some people are really going to hate me for this but...

    Personally I'd say it's not worth it, other than to give you a background on what people are talking about. The show was lauded at the time because it did things with the setting and characters that were new and different, and hadn't really been seen in anime before. That said a lot of what passes for the plot is actually just mish-mashed and half baked threads that try to disguise "on the fly" storytelling as depth and mystery. Think Lost, people used to think that there was some sort of grand scheme in where the plot was all going, but the truth is that the writers didn't know, and they were largely piling stuff in to make it seem cool. And it succeeded on that front, but when it comes time to tie everything together, well, it kind of falls apart.

    As for the rest, it shouldn't be too hard to track down on DVD. I don't know about online movie sites.

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    ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Tricky question. I'm not mad I saw it, I'm mad I spent money. Does Canada have something like Netflix yet?

    Edit for clarification: I like a lot of what it was trying to do with the actual story, especially near the beginning. Then you find out no one has a character arc and the ending of the anime series itself is a pretend ending because they ran out of money. If you do watch it, don't forget to get the separate dvd End of Evangelion to get the real ending. Which is still a pile of pseudo-freudian horseshit when it comes to the characters, but has a really really cool mech fight.

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    MoSiAcMoSiAc Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I'm gonna half agree with subedii. It's not super important that you see it, and I don't really care for the story on a whole myself, but you should give it a look just to say you've seen it.

    It is one of those anime that "OMG they did that!" but now what they have covered has lead to a lot of anime doing similar themes.

    I feel the same way about the watchmen comic. It was good for when it came out. Now everyone covers the ideas and themes that watchmen covered in their comic so it's not that interesting (at least to me).

    It isn't hard to find these on dvd though they're probably a bit expensive.

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Eva is really a hit or miss show. I'd find a place to rent it, but I wouldn't suggest buying it until you have watched it through. It seems like 50% of people kinda enjoy it, 40% hate it, and 10% love it obsessively.

    I would suggest watching it, and follow it up with FLCL. Surprisingly, despite the differences in how they go about it, both shows cover the same subject matter.

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    BeltaineBeltaine BOO BOO DOO DE DOORegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    FLCL had a little more fun with it. Eva was all emo about it.

    It's good for the mech fights, and just when it hits its stride it kind of goes limp, but I don't feel like it was a total waste.

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    Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Just watch the Eva 2.0 movie trilogy. Same story in the quarter of the time.

    Though, I'm not sure if they finished with the third movie yet.

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    VisionOfClarityVisionOfClarity Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I liked it and I'd say watch it but I wouldn't buy it (I saw it once, don't feel the need to see it again).

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    GahmriousGahmrious Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I enjoyed Eva when I was 14. The story seemed all cool and mysterious at the time, and the mechs were great too. Mechs, if you like cool fights then go for it just fast forward. As far as the whacked out story, yeah it gets pretty silly after a handful of episodes. I've tried to go back and watch it throughout the last few years, but I can't stomach it. It's been 10 years and I can't sit through an episode, so I'd say don't bother.

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    FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I really enjoyed this anime, the music, the technology, the reason the angels were constantly attacking earth.

    Following the logic is a little difficult during the first chapters, but who cares?, be prepare for some mind confusing and sometimes erratic behaviour, and an almost sex scene that made me think twice about sharing a hot tube.

    It is possible to download the 26 television episodes in divx format, but I am not sure of the legality of this.

    Of course, you could try purchasing a used DVD set from Amazon.com

    http://www.amazon.com/Neon-Genesis-Evangelion-Perfect-Collection/dp/B0000639E0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1268147909&sr=8-2

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I half agree with subedii; Evangelion starts out really good but basically becomes "THIS SHOW IS LIKE JESUS' LIFE. SEE?! SEE HOW MUCH LIKE JESUS' LIFE THIS SHOW IS?! WE ARE SO DEEP WITH OUR RELIGIOUS ALLEGORIES!!!"...it's not that they're making it up as they go along (and Lost totally does not do that shut up subedii :P) it's that it's really fucking pretentious

    Also if you want the Watchmen of anime go either 1) Akira 2) Death Note

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Rent wrote: »
    I half agree with subedii; Evangelion starts out really good but basically becomes "THIS SHOW IS LIKE JESUS' LIFE. SEE?! SEE HOW MUCH LIKE JESUS' LIFE THIS SHOW IS?! WE ARE SO DEEP WITH OUR RELIGIOUS ALLEGORIES!!!"...it's not that they're making it up as they go along (and Lost totally does not do that shut up subedii :P) it's that it's really fucking pretentious

    Also if you want the Watchmen of anime go either 1) Akira 2) Death Note

    They outright came out and admitted that 90% of the Christian symbolism was inserted for no other reason than it looked cool.

    This is not uncommon in Japan, it's literally the equivalent of getting a Kanji tattoo in the States even though you have no idea what it means. You don't care, it just looks exotic and cool.

    Also Evangelion can in no way shape or form be compared to Watchmen.

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    MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    don't do this, it's terrible and crap and if you're getting into it for the giant robots you will be sorely disappointed

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    MoSiAcMoSiAc Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Rent man Deathnote is well, it's awesome at first but theres a very big declining action in that anime that just left a really bad taste in my mouth. YMMV

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    ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Yeah, it's not really about Jesus at all, imo. It's kinda weird that anyone would think that upon viewing it.
    Shinji's supposed to be Jesus in that scenario? All he does is cry and sit in the corner. He's not nonviolent because he thinks everyone should live in harmony, he's nonviolent because he's absolutely scared out of his mind of everything/everyone he sees the entire course of the series.

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    Joe Camacho MKIIJoe Camacho MKII Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I watched Evangelion during High School, around 8 years ago, when I did it, I felt hardcore for watching something other than Dragon Ball Z or Saint Seiya here in México.

    The truth is, it's not a bad series per se, but as several guys have already posted, most of the religious symbols were only used because they looked or sounded cool, to be honest, the ending might need some outside reading, but episodes 1 to 24 (or 25? I can remember right now) are pretty cool if you like mecha fights. I remember reading somewhere that the reason the last 2 episodes are so different is because they were running out of budget, but they managed to pull it off with The End of Evangelion (Which also has a weird ending, but also a cool fight). As long as you don't take it seriously, it is enjoyable.

    If you want something from Gainax, I would also watch FLCL, Gunbuster or Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann if you haven't already.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    MoSiAc wrote: »
    Rent man Deathnote is well, it's awesome at first but theres a very big declining action in that anime that just left a really bad taste in my mouth. YMMV

    Eh, it's one of my favorite manga and anime of all time (OF ALL TIME!), and normally I hate the manga-to-anime transition, so I was surprised it was such a good bridging

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    baudattitudebaudattitude Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    The Eva to Watchman comparison is apt in one way - both of them spawned a sea of copycats.

    But, hmm, what's the best way to describe it.

    It'd be like if, for the first eleven issues of Watchman, the characters were fighting giant squid monsters every week, and DC comics was pumping out action figure after action figure of all the heroes and all the giant squids and there were huge posters everywhere about giant squid monsters coming to destroy the earth, and issue eleven ended with a giant cliffhanger where all the characters were finally going to defeat the giant squid monsters once and for all...

    ...and then the last issue was full of black panels with dialogue balloons with Ozymandias being all like "giant squids? hah, those were just my cunning plan. Here's what's really been going on."

    ...and then DC releases a NEW issue 12 of Watchman because, wow, fans didn't like that last issue, but the guy being made to write the original issue 12 really wanted to write it the way he wrote it the first time so he puts in a lot of giant squids but he throws in a 2-page lovingly detailed splash of the Silk Spectre being eaten alive by wild dogs.

    And, ever since then, DC has been re-releasing Watchman with minor changes and people keep buying it for no logical reason.

    OK, that last bit was just a slam on DC.

    So, no, I wouldn't go back and watch it now. It was big at the time, and if you decide to become a Serious Anime Scholar, whatever that means, it would probably be required viewing, but if you self-identify as a casual anime fan it's probably not worth your time.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Really, I'm gonna stress this like ten thousand times: If you're looking for the same sort of philosophical questions Watchmen raised, but more weeaboo, watch Akira. Maybe Nausicaa, but Akira is by far the best

    If you're looking for the thriller/mystery aspect of Watchmen, watch Death Note

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I'll take a potato chip

    AND EAT IT!!!!

    *orchestral music*

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Kino's Journey touches on a lot of things too.

    It's a great show where nothing happens all over the place in often violent ways.

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    ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    I'll take a potato chip

    AND EAT IT!!!!

    *orchestral music*

    God I fucking love that scene. The series as a whole is pretty straight forward and serious in tone, which was good. And then that scene, out of nowhere. I couldn't stop laughing. It was awesome. I don't know if it's a fluke or if the guys adapting the anime are just comedic geniuses, because that's something that would usually throw me off completely, and it pretty much did the opposite.

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    BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fantasma wrote: »
    Of course, you could try purchasing a used DVD set from Amazon.com
    You can purchase it new at Rightstuf.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    I'll take a potato chip

    AND EAT IT!!!!

    *orchestral music*

    keikaku.jpg

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    L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I think it's on Hulu, if you can view that in Canada.

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    ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2010
    I loved it, and it's still one of my favorites. I thought it was beautiful in most every way. I felt the series and the movie were very different for good reason, and each has value.

    Many I know hated it, feeling its depth went about as far as a street puddle, that the series ending tried too hard and the movie ending was dumb.

    You will probably fall into one of these two categories, and when you do you will be fully prepared to fight the other to the death over it. It's probably one of the most divisive anime I've ever seen, even among people who aren't serious about anime.

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    BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    ceres wrote: »
    I loved it, and it's still one of my favorites. I thought it was beautiful in most every way. I felt the series and the movie were very different for good reason, and each has value.

    Many I know hated it, feeling its depth went about as far as a street puddle, that the series ending tried too hard and the movie ending was dumb.

    You will probably fall into one of these two categories, and when you do you will be fully prepared to fight the other to the death over it. It's probably one of the most divisive anime I've ever seen, even among people who aren't serious about anime.
    It's better if you don't take it too seriously. It's meant to be entertainment, but a surprisingly large number of people who really hate on it don't seem to realize that.

    Rent wrote: »
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    I'll take a potato chip

    AND EAT IT!!!!

    *orchestral music*

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    KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Can we all agree it has a pretty kick ass opening song at least? Still one of my favorites.

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    MoSiAcMoSiAc Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Opening to EVA yes that song is really really good. I even like some of the techno remixes.

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    BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Can we all agree it has a pretty kick ass opening song at least? Still one of my favorites.
    Hopefully. There's also this version:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Lq0nC94bc&fmt=18

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    VisionOfClarityVisionOfClarity Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    You can at least watch a few episodes and if you don't like it you can stop. I definitely do agree with watching Akira as well.

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    ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2010
    You can at least watch a few episodes and if you don't like it you can stop. I definitely do agree with watching Akira as well.

    The manga was so. much. better. So. Much.

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    AsiinaAsiina ... WaterlooRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    You can at least watch a few episodes and if you don't like it you can stop. I definitely do agree with watching Akira as well.

    The problem with watching the first few episodes is that the crazy shit doesn't really start until half way in.

    It's angsty monster-of-the-week for about 12 episodes and then it immediately turns into HAHA FUCK YOU WELCOME TO A RIDICULOUSLY CONVOLUTED PLOT!

    I say go ahead and watch it, but don't spend money on it.

    If you want to watch similar shows that make no sense but actually manage to pull it together by the end then I suggest RahXephon and Eureka Seven.

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    In my opinion, NGE is very interesting if you look at it as a case study for anime in general. It was incredibly successful and there's a lot of material on the internet which documents its production and reception.

    The show itself and the movie are very flawed, although I liked the scenes involving the EVAs.

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    samsam7samsam7 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I think I somehow managed to find the whole thing on YouTube a few years ago and watched it there. Getting new DVDs of the series is easy, and the movie, not so much.

    Do yourself a favor and make sure you have a way of seeing the movie before you invest your sanity in the show, cuz the last episodes of the series will piss you off, and the movie really makes up for it.

    Also, you may need to watch this show with your highschool english teacher and/or psychologist to fully understand it. :)

    Edit: Oh yeah, the creator is in the middle of making a tetralogy reboot of the whole thing called Rebuild of Evangelion (which looks really promising), can anyone confirm if this is supposed to be the 'final intended version' or something like that and not an alternate retelling?

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    tech_huntertech_hunter More SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    You know I totally forgot about Eureka 7, which is pretty comparable to Evangelion except without all the existential crap. It has big robots, big monsters, a whiny tween
    Who does eventually man up though
    a girl with a strange past, moral dilemmas and a pretty awesome twist at the end.

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    UrQuanLord88UrQuanLord88 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I personally would automatically like any anime with nice smooth animation. Some semblance of story is a plus. NGE fits this and I would recommend that you watch it, but seeing over the years about how people are so divided over the series (which is interesting by itself):

    Try to watch (some of) it for free before you decide to own it.

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    ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    You know I totally forgot about Eureka 7, which is pretty comparable to Evangelion except without all the existential crap. It has big robots, big monsters, a whiny tween
    Who does eventually man up though
    a girl with a strange past, moral dilemmas and a pretty awesome twist at the end.
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    Yeah, Eureka 7 is probably the same thing only better. I also forgot about it.

    Also, Holland is a baller.

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    darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fuck... Evangelion.. I spent way too much on all the VHS back when they came out here. I enjoyed the series, the battles were awesome, I hated Shinji, and it ended poorly, then I waited I think a year and a local anime con had got a copy of the subbed movie and we all watched it there, the movie was great, still alot of "what the fuck is going on" but it was very entertaining.

    I have the manga as well, seems to flow better than the anime still waiting on the last books to come out tho.

    The remake movies are nice, they condense the story into more digestable chunks I think part 1 and 2 are out, the third one isnt done yet.

    Watch it, but dont try to analyze it, alot of it is just FUD.

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    ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Addendum to the Eureka 7 suggestion: Watch it subbed. For some reason more than one of the characters voices are really grating when in English. Maybe it's just me, and I couldn't really explain it.

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    Angel_of_BaconAngel_of_Bacon Moderator mod
    edited March 2010
    I read the first few volumes of the manga in HS due to it being slightly cheaper than buying the $26 VHS for 2 episodes tapes that was the only way to get it at the time, and I liked that much. 10 years later I get Netflix and watch the series and movies and was just like, "This is what people were all hyped up about? Really??" I actually found myself liking the silly "oops we ran out of money" series ending (the one that everyone that really likes the show hates) because it was silly, and was a relief from the "let's be super-serious and emo about our giant robots fighting magic cubes and shit show" tone, which gets really annoyingly thick near the end.

    Not saying you shouldn't see it if you want, but you really want to rent it and not buy sight unseen. Also keep your expectations in check- it's not the end-all-be-all of anime, it's just an anime.

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