@Synthesis: Just to be clear, are you talking about the characters' portrait art or their sprites? Since Mai's sprite in 2003 was the same one she had in '96, I suspect I may have misunderstood you.
Character art. It's difficult to judge sprites because, well, except for Athena the characters didn't get many revisions until recently. I even said "Mai character art", heh.
XI also had consistently good, if downplayed, character art.
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I really hope SNK comes back with this game. I loved XI, but skipped XII after reading so many negative impressions. I miss the actual Korea team. Hell, just have Kim fight with his two sons!
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Partial (but better translation from Sonictempest from Cyberfanatix.
System notes:
CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION
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GRAPHICS
- Characters are smaller and it's easier to see the full screen.
- As of now there aren't any stages that make it hard to see the characters.
SYSTEM
- All KOFXII systems (CC, sousai, guard attack) have been removed
- BAKUSUTE(?) has probably not been made shorter (wtf is bakusute? it's written in katakana)
- Throws are back to lever + button motion
- Kara cancels are possible again.
GAME SYSTEM
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8- way lever + 4 buttons.
COUNTER HITS
Counter hits have a blue effect when they occur, similar to KOFXII but the effect isn't the same.
A few counter hit animations are like KOFXII but the window is short, sort of like the interval between dashing and doing a strong attack.
GUARD CRUSH
Guard meter under the lifebar, your guard drops when it becomes empty. However at the current time it seems to recover much faster than it's lost, so there haven't been that many guard crushes seen. On top of that it looks like the guard crush window is very tight so it's very hard to take advantage of it. Wondering if drive attacks will have a bigger effect on the guard meter.
GUARD CANCEL
Revived from older games. Costs 1 power stock. Does damage, but not possible to KO with it.
STUN
This has also returned. However unlike XI there's no visible stun meter so it's not possible to know when it's going to happen.
POWER GAUGES
Return of multiple power stocks. You get one additional stock per team member that you lose (much like earlier games). Feels like they charge up faster than in previous games.
EX SPECIAL MOVES/DESPERATION MOVES
Use 1 stock to do powered up specials or DMs. The powering up depends on the move - might be more damage, invincibility, etc.
EX specials have a blue shadow sort of effect to them while EX DMs are red (versus yellow for regular DMs)
DRIVE GAUGE
Green gauge above the power gauge. The length increases by 50% every time you lose a character (so that the gauge is twice as long when you're down to your last character). Fills up at about the same rate as the power gauge, so pretty quickly. However, whiffing special moves will not fill the drive gauge (although it still fills the power gauge).
DRIVE CANCEL
Can be used as soon as the drive gauge passes 50%, which means that on your last character it can be used up to four times.
You can cancel special moves as well as command moves that couldn't normally be cancelled into other special moves and DMs.
HYPERDRIVE MODE
Press BC when the drive gauge is maxed out to activate. Your character will have a sort of hazy afterglow and will be able to do as many drive cancels as he wants. The gauge doesn't fall faster if you do a cancel like in '02. However if you take any damage the mode ends.
Joe? Check. Goro? Check. Needs Shingo and then my Team Headband 98 will be complete.
Also, Khushnood BUTT/Marco Rodriguez! SNK, if you put him in this game you will have atoned for soo many wrongs over the years.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
There are lots of characters I would love to see in the game, however, I think the current roster is pretty decent. At this point, it feels like old KOF, which isn't bad.
Regarding the poses, I dunno. I just picked it up off the Japanese boards. Apparently the artists figured it was time for zettai ryouiki or something...
Once again, changes as translated by SonicTempest on CyberFanatix.
Character-specific stuff:
ELISABETH (might be inaccurate since the author wasn't familiar with Elisabeth in XII)
- More effects on her moves
- Regained dp+P and QCF,HCB+P
- QCF,HCB+P connects after dp+C
- dp+C has upper body invincibility. Low attacks beat it.
- EX QCFx2+P fires off 'light bullets' during the second half of the move. Probably can be beaten by guard cancel rolling.
DUO LON
- New move QCB+P. Fires off a haze that cancels fireballs (maybe the EX version only?). Looks like it has no hitbox...use it for mindgames?
- When his EX DM hits something that looks like a high-speed hurricane mixer (Huh) appears.
- Can't cancel his QCF+Px3 into teleport without a drive cancel
SHEN WOO
- Far standing D has a new animation. A high kick with slow startup.
- Jump D crosses up easier
- QCF+C has slower startup and more lag. The EX version knocks the opponent away.
- EX QCB+A has more range and seemingly faster startup
- QCF+K has small range as usual but the EX version has more range
- QCFx2+P can probably be used the same was as it was in KOFXI. EX version is faster and has full-body invincibility - so much so you can use it as anti-air!
- C,A,B,C DM is present, but no headbutt (NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!)
- stand C, f+B, QCF+A DC QCF+K DC QCFx2+P is a combo, although this is the same combo that had some tough links in XII. Seems like poor use of the drive gauge (lol)
- It'd be nice if he could do anything from low attacks...
KYO
- Regained air d+C. Hard knockdown on an aerial opponents, long stun on grounded opponents. Can be used to cross up.
- Can still combo stand B -> dp+P. On the second hit of dp+P you can drive cancel to QCF+K and combo to Orochinagi (ouch!)
- QCF+P seems to have less lag?
- Gained mid-air Orochinagi. Voice clip is 'Kore de kimeru ze!'
- Doesn't seem to have changed much.
- Seems very strong.
BENIMARU
- Regained Benimaru Koreda (his command throw)
- Might have regained his air throw?
DAIMON
- Regained dp+K
- HCF+A somehow managed to grab a standing Shen. Was it always like that? Might be stronger in terms of priority.
IORI
- Gained a new command move df+C. Swings an arm downward as if he were hitting a stake. Hits mid.
- Regained his air b+B
- dp+P has more lag? EX version does two hits and floats the opponent.
- HCF+P doesn't launch the opponent so high that he can't be seen anymore
MATURE
- Don't know much about her KOFXII version.
- Despair (dp+P), Death Row (QCB+Px2), Ebony Tears (QCF,HCB+P) and Metal Massacre (QCB+K) regained
(She has dp+P in KOFXII, but whatever)
TERRY
- Can't cancel standing B. Tried to cancel into a command move and failed.
- far C cancellable
- crouch D can be cancelled into command moves
- far D has new animation. Looks like the KOFXI animation. Might be useful as an anti-air.
- jump D crosses up easier. (seems like this is the case with a lot of characters)
- df+C seems to have a bigger frontal hitbox
- f+A comes out slower
- Power Wave comes out slower but has less lag. EX version does 3 hits.
- B Crack Shoot is an overhead and does multiple hits. EX version might hit mid and has faster startup. Hard knockdown on counter hits against an airborne opponent.
- Burn Knuckle seems the same? EX version does multiple hits and makes the opponent fly upwards. Not sure if you can follow up afterwards.
- Rising Tackle has no change. EX version goes vertically straight up and does something like 25 hits (lol) and has fast startup.
ANDY
- Can't brake Reppadan any more. Can still cross up with it, though.
- EX Zaneiken can move from one side of the screen to another
- EX Hishouken flies faster.
- EX Choureppadan is good enough to be used as an anti-air.
JOE
- Regained Ougon no Kakato (QCB+K). B version flies low while D version goes high, but neither has much lag.
- Regained Bakuretsu Hurricane Tiger Kakato. Can be connected from weak attacks.
- Slash Kick has more lag
- D Tiger Kick has a lower trajectory
- EX Hurricane Upper shoots 3 projectiles. Regular version has less lag?
- Sliding is a command move, and knocks down even when cancelled into. More lag?
KIM
- Regained mid-air Houou Kyaku.
- f,f+D is now done as f,f+A
RAIDEN
- Gained Super Drop Kick (hold K for ten seconds and release) and Crazy Train (QCFx2+P)
- Regular version of Giant Bomb has more lag? EX version knocks the opponent up.
ATHENA
- Psycho Ball has less lag. EX version does 3 hits and has 'penetrating power' (?? goes through other fireballs, maybe?)
- Regained Psychic Teleport. EX version included.
- Throw animation has changed. Athena teleports to diagonally above the opponent and throws them.
KENSOU
- Has normals from KOFXII but specials from his earlier versions.
- Regained Chokyuudan (fireball), Ryusogeki (air QCB+P) and QCF,HCB+P DM.
- Lost QCB+A, QCB+C from KOFXII
- Still has QCB+K from KOFXII.
- Pressing B+D makes him do his KOFXII backstep
- Ryuugakusai has its command reversed (rdp+K instead of dp+K...the way it used to be)
CHIN
- Didn't see him much so no idea how he's changed.
RYO
- far D is the same as close D. Maybe they'll change this?
- far C cancellable
- jump D crosses up easier
- C Ko'ouken has more lag. EX version does 3 hits.
- EX Kohou does 3 hits. No idea if there's any effect on invincibility.
- B Hienshippuukyaku is the same. D Hienshippuukyaku whiffs against crouchers. EX version is faster and resembles Takuma's version of the move - it launches. Maybe you need to use a drive cancel to follow up?
ROBERT
- Can cancel his low attacks
- Has all his moves from KOFXII
RALF
- Regained air QCF+P.
- Vulcan Punch has more lag? Can't connect a stand D after it anymore. Instead of that you can drive cancel to Galactica Phantom.
CLARK
- Regained Gatling Attack
- Still has his forward step move from XII
LEONA
- Regular V-slasher has been weakened.
MAI
- How to say this...she benefits a lot from the new system.
- Both A and C Ryuuenbu have low lag and can be followed up with stand A in the corner. If the opponent is in mid-air even stand C is possible.
- Musasabi no Mai is great for comboing in the corner. If you hit them near their feet (i.e. space it so that it hits them at the lower part of their hitbox) they shouldn't be able to retaliate.
- Hissatsu Shinobi Bachi is fast enough to combo from light attacks, and is damaging.
- d.B -> B -> Hissatsu Shinobi Bachi DC Musasabi no Mai -> C Ryuuenbu -> Chou Hissatsu Shinobi Bachi is a combo.
- Kachousen has slower startup but less lag
- Jump CD felt a little too fast
- She has an air throw which can be used in combos.
- EX Chou Hissatsu Shinobi Bachi is invincible.
YURI
- Gained a new move, midair df+B which is very much like Yun/Yang's Raigekishuu from 3S. She changes trajectory suddenly with no voice clip so it's a bit startling.
- Raiohken has her jumping up to do the move again. Startup is slow. EX version shoots two fireballs.
- Can't charge up Ko'ouken? Haohshokoken is a DM.
- Hyakuretsu Binta seems to have faster startup than usual.
- Not sure how effective her Saiha is
- Hien Hou'ou Kyaku connects from light attacks
- df+D isn't on her movelist, nor did I see it, so it probably doesn't combo from light attacks (lol)
KING
- Sliding is unsafe on block
- Gained a mid-air Venom Strike. Flies horizontally with unlimited range.
- Venom Strike is the same as it was. No high/low variations.
- Tornado Kick is the '95 version. Doesn't seem to have any invincibility.
- DMs are Surprise Rose and Double Strike. Didn't seem to have Illusion Dance.
- Surprise Rose can cross up as King dives. Can escape by rolling.
ASH
- Same old Guile clone (lol)
- A Ventose has so little lag that you can combo it into a sweep if you're close enough (can't remember if the XII version was just like that). C version is unchanged.
- EX version of Genie will make two flames appear on the screen. The locations probably depend on the two buttons you used to activate the EX version.
- Thermidor has faster startup, but only does 5 hits
- Sans-culotte has the same speed and lack of range. No other changes.
They did give yuri a freakin' dive kick! Now she's lolkuma instead of lolkura?
Yuri has always been lolCapcom in my opinion.
I love the creepy moving Tengu eyes in the Japan stage.
Edit after the two above posts: Wow, Yuri is now competing with Mai in terms of fanservice. Good job, SNK?
Some of those changes seem mighty questionable! Leaving aside all the new moves and supers, it seems like everyone was made weaker except for Kyo. . . who was top tier in XII. What the heck, SNK? NERF HIM.
They did give yuri a freakin' dive kick! Now she's lolkuma instead of lolkura?
Yuri has always been lolCapcom in my opinion.
I love the creepy moving Tengu eyes in the Japan stage.
Edit after the two above posts: Wow, Yuri is now competing with Mai in terms of fanservice. Good job, SNK?
Only on some colours I think. I've seen her wearing hot pants and one with traditional tights.
Benimaru also has a naked color and one that makes him look like Jax from MK.
Ryo was more lolcapcom but yeah. Yuri is pushing into lolkuma more though. Her EX air fireball has two fireballs.
I believe you're incorrect. Ryo is copy Capcom. Then Dan became lolSNK in response of him and others. After that Yuri was turned into lolCapcom in response of their lolSNK. This is how the lolwars were fought.
I thought Ryo was lolcapcom, which then capcom responded with lolSNK Dan, then Yuri... err...
The lolwars were brutal and confusing.
I think SNK did some copying of Capcom back before they were popular (i.e. The SF2 era). This was before things like KoF, SS, LB, etc ... either existed or had become popular yet. Then SNK grew into it's own and became awesome. I'm pretty sure Ryo and gang are really the only copies left but they've evolved so much that you can't call them that anymore.
I thought Ryo was lolcapcom, which then capcom responded with lolSNK Dan, then Yuri... err...
The lolwars were brutal and confusing.
And awesome.
Plus, don't forget Yuri's version of the Shin Shoryuken (many games) and Denshin Hadouken (her 2K3 LDM). I think she's an equal opportunity Capcom parody. Well, to the shoto characters anyway.
I'm sure everyone has heard the rumors that the final six characters are going to be one all-new team and Takuma (AOF team), Hwa Jai (Kim team) and Vice (Iori team). Seems very plausible, but I'd prefer if SNK gave us a bigger surprise in the roster.
All this talk of Ryo and Dan just makes me want a Capcom v SNK 3. 2 is still one of my favourite fighting games ever.
2 is my favorite fighting game ever. Sooo many characters I like. It even had Rolento and Hibiki. I'd kill for a 3rd one to be made. I'd mortally wound for a MvC2 treatment of the second on xbla and psn.
Also, apparently 1up says that console might come out shortly after arcade. We'll see though. Hoping that they've learnt their lesson this time round.
HHUUUHHH. Very clever SNK, very clever. Get around including extra costumes or anything.
Seriously, though, it's a neat little feature. It might be exclusive to Yuri (I guess you could end up giving Mai or other characters some sort of skin-tight underclothes if you were so inclined). I was a little unclear on this until now, but it's good to see that Yuri's got her stretchy pants (too bad about not having a ponytail, maybe they didn't want to have to draw it?).
As for Ryo, yeah, that's how I understood the jabbing worked between SNK and Capcom.
Not knowing a single thing about KoF, I'm liking the character designs.
They're neat without being rediculous. And it's kind of cool to have a fighting game without more than one blatantly exploitative female character (i.e. wears more than a loincloth and some rope).
How complex is King of Fighters gameplay, as a rule? I take it that it's deeper than Street Fighter, but less crazy than Guilty Gear or Blazblue?
How complex is King of Fighters gameplay, as a rule? I take it that it's deeper than Street Fighter, but less crazy than Guilty Gear or Blazblue?
It's not necessarily deeper than Street Fighter - it's kind of a different side of the same coin. Whereas Street Fighter is more about technical mastery, timing and rigid character strategy, KoF is more about speed, pressure and multiple options within a given character. I guess if you want to get metaphorical, Street Fighter is Devil May Cry, while KoF is Ninja Gaiden. And BlazBlue/Guilty Gear are something entirely different.
I've always preferred KoF myself. I like that the characters feel really flexible; it gives you a chance to be more creative than Street Fighter, I think. Plus, I think the pacing is much better.
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Character art. It's difficult to judge sprites because, well, except for Athena the characters didn't get many revisions until recently. I even said "Mai character art", heh.
XI also had consistently good, if downplayed, character art.
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They did give yuri a freakin' dive kick!
Maybe they'll give this back to her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7if4fjEVAYk
Partial (but better translation from Sonictempest from Cyberfanatix.
Whao, EX moves cost the same meter as DMs? Wow.
I'm sure some things will be changed after the Loketests though.
Also, Khushnood BUTT/Marco Rodriguez! SNK, if you put him in this game you will have atoned for soo many wrongs over the years.
The fact that there's actual teams now is a plus.
I'm pretty satisfied that she and King are back. Just need Kasumi and I'm set.
To make it even funnier her EX air hadoken has two fireballs.
What about Yuri Chou Upper?
Sold.
Well, if the netcode isn't terrible.
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Also, not sure if I posted the youtube version of this yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xipzx0m8gA&feature=player_embedded#
Yuri is so small.
Mai is looking really beastly so far.
Duo lon has a freaky ass cloud move thing.
Wait, Yuri cut her ponytail off? Disapproval!
Regarding the poses, I dunno. I just picked it up off the Japanese boards. Apparently the artists figured it was time for zettai ryouiki or something...
I love the creepy moving Tengu eyes in the Japan stage.
Edit after the two above posts: Wow, Yuri is now competing with Mai in terms of fanservice. Good job, SNK?
Some of those changes seem mighty questionable! Leaving aside all the new moves and supers, it seems like everyone was made weaker except for Kyo. . . who was top tier in XII. What the heck, SNK? NERF HIM.
Only on some colours I think. I've seen her wearing hot pants and one with traditional tights.
Benimaru also has a naked color and one that makes him look like Jax from MK.
Ryo was more lolcapcom but yeah. Yuri is pushing into lolkuma more though. Her EX air fireball has two fireballs.
I believe you're incorrect. Ryo is copy Capcom. Then Dan became lolSNK in response of him and others. After that Yuri was turned into lolCapcom in response of their lolSNK. This is how the lolwars were fought.
The lolwars were brutal and confusing.
I think SNK did some copying of Capcom back before they were popular (i.e. The SF2 era). This was before things like KoF, SS, LB, etc ... either existed or had become popular yet. Then SNK grew into it's own and became awesome. I'm pretty sure Ryo and gang are really the only copies left but they've evolved so much that you can't call them that anymore.
Plus, don't forget Yuri's version of the Shin Shoryuken (many games) and Denshin Hadouken (her 2K3 LDM). I think she's an equal opportunity Capcom parody. Well, to the shoto characters anyway.
I'm sure everyone has heard the rumors that the final six characters are going to be one all-new team and Takuma (AOF team), Hwa Jai (Kim team) and Vice (Iori team). Seems very plausible, but I'd prefer if SNK gave us a bigger surprise in the roster.
Rumors also said that yamazaki might be in iori's team, but that just me catching onto any hope that he'll be in.
edit: this was yuri's best lolcapcom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7if4fjEVAYk
2 is my favorite fighting game ever. Sooo many characters I like. It even had Rolento and Hibiki. I'd kill for a 3rd one to be made. I'd mortally wound for a MvC2 treatment of the second on xbla and psn.
Could do without the roll canceling though.
Hah, the colour costume variation thing is actually kinda cool. Probably only for characters with skin-tight clothing though.
The pink hotpants will be my colour.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178520
Also, apparently 1up says that console might come out shortly after arcade. We'll see though. Hoping that they've learnt their lesson this time round.
HHUUUHHH. Very clever SNK, very clever. Get around including extra costumes or anything.
Seriously, though, it's a neat little feature. It might be exclusive to Yuri (I guess you could end up giving Mai or other characters some sort of skin-tight underclothes if you were so inclined). I was a little unclear on this until now, but it's good to see that Yuri's got her stretchy pants (too bad about not having a ponytail, maybe they didn't want to have to draw it?).
As for Ryo, yeah, that's how I understood the jabbing worked between SNK and Capcom.
The lack of a ponytail can kind of do that (they're also both on the smaller size).
Fun with color swaps!
That will be a dealbreaker for me...that and non-shitty online of course.
Most KOF arcade games let you do that. Nothing special.
And Dragkonias, I'm afraid I would not expect Kula. Especially when we're missing older staples like Mary, Whip, etc.
K' might make it though.
It look like KoF13 has the very sexy arashi no saxophone song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hi6_jguKwU
Also, mature beasting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpwl6krWQAo
But hey whatever. I get to post arashi no saxophone.
edit: it's not as if the song has always been the same anyway.
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They're neat without being rediculous. And it's kind of cool to have a fighting game without more than one blatantly exploitative female character (i.e. wears more than a loincloth and some rope).
How complex is King of Fighters gameplay, as a rule? I take it that it's deeper than Street Fighter, but less crazy than Guilty Gear or Blazblue?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3KVgI1LvU
Nah, it might be Arashi no Saxophone 3 for all we know. But it sounds a lot more like Stormy Scream to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llh7aRRAu8U
Though I don't think they'd remix that.
It's not necessarily deeper than Street Fighter - it's kind of a different side of the same coin. Whereas Street Fighter is more about technical mastery, timing and rigid character strategy, KoF is more about speed, pressure and multiple options within a given character. I guess if you want to get metaphorical, Street Fighter is Devil May Cry, while KoF is Ninja Gaiden. And BlazBlue/Guilty Gear are something entirely different.
I've always preferred KoF myself. I like that the characters feel really flexible; it gives you a chance to be more creative than Street Fighter, I think. Plus, I think the pacing is much better.
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God I love this song so much.