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Game Design and Criticism thread

OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited March 2010 in Social Entropy++
ok so

I'm totally being a huge goddamn nerd lately. I've spent the past week or so writing an essay on Heavy Rain (as you know if you even passingly know me, I've spent every available moment talking or thinking about it).

Recently I've been talking with Clint Hocking, a very smart guy with a very pulpy name, about the state of game criticism. He's pointed me to a few blogs that have borne interesting fruit. He's convinced me to start a blog of my own. (God, I hate that word.)

But what do you guys think about game criticsm? Are reviews enough for you? Do you just look at Metacritic scores? Or are you interested at all in a deeper appreciation of how games do what they do? If you are, where do you read? Where do you go for your information?

Question marks?

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  • RobchamRobcham The Rabbit King of your pantsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Psychonauts has always impressed me

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I personally love deeper analysis on games and why we like the features we do. I don't have anywhere to get consistent information on it, but sometimes I read developer blogs or other articles.

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  • SenorTacosSenorTacos Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I always like reading deeper about video games. I would read your blog. Honestly I go to destructoid for some game criticism. Some times it's good, While other time it's complete shit.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    Also I'd like to note that Druhim is old and is not interested in any form of entertainment more advanced than an abacus.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    I really miss writing game reviews. I still write them occasionally for myself but it's not the same. Of course, writing for Etoychest limited the way I could write them seeing as he was going for a more business like approach so I couldn't use first person at all.

    As far as reading, it depends. When I'm trying to decide to rent a game, I usually will just check metacritic and carry on. I like to read reviews for the more simple pleasure of reading, so I can appreciate reviews that are more than just a list of details or what is good and what is bad.

    I think I've started rambling...

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    Also I'd like to note that Druhim is old and is not interested in any form of entertainment more advanced than an abacus.

    I'm pooping on your head

    I said I'm not interested in a game design/criticism blog
    that doesn't mean I'm not interested in games you silly goose

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Also I'd like to note that Druhim is old and is not interested in any form of entertainment more advanced than an abacus.

    Well I guess it's better than chiseling dirty pictures into limestone

    And for reals Orik, I'm not super huge into "game reviews" because they tend to be sort of annoying to me, but I think a deeper analysis of some games would be very interesting. I mean, we don't need the psychology behind Bejeweled, but exploring Braid's puzzle systems would be nifty.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    abacus games don't count

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    Abacus Zombies 3: You can COUNT on death!

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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I don't really read individual reviews anymore

    for the most part, I listen to you guys, Metacritic, Eurogamer and occasionally Yahtzee

    but yeah I'd love some more accomplished writing and dissertation in the medium

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  • Dr.FunkensteinDr.Funkenstein Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    i like game reviews cause they let me know if a game is good or not :)

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Is this where we say that Mass Effect 2 is one of the best RPGs in the history of the medium

    Despite lacking a lot of the features that make an RPG an RPG to an awful lot of people who forget what the "RP" actually stands for, reviewers included

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    abacus games don't count

    you can't make 5318008 with an abacus

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited March 2010
    i depend on me trying a game out to see if I like it

    there are tons of games that get great scores that I just can't stand

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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    hey Edcrab

    how about we just call it best game in the history of the medium

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    honestly, i just read tycho's newsposts pretty much

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  • RobchamRobcham The Rabbit King of your pantsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    the best game in the history of the medium is pokemon

    that is what the best game is

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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    oh yeah, and I'll almost always pay attention to what Tycho has to say, even if I don't agree with him

    motherfucker can pontificate on the vidya games

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  • unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I buy sequels to games I like, and I buy games with wacky premises that I will enjoy no matter what. I don't read many reviews

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited March 2010
    the best game in the medium is Tetris

    specifically Tetris DS

    I will never trade it in (partially because it's expensive as shit now)

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  • MaceraMacera UGH GODDAMMIT STOP ENJOYING THINGSRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Keith wrote: »
    i depend on me trying a game out to see if I like it

    there are tons of games that get great scores that I just can't stand

    Yeah, I can't get into stuff like God of War and Prototype

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  • RobchamRobcham The Rabbit King of your pantsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    sudoku

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    YaYa wrote: »
    hey Edcrab

    how about we just call it best game in the history of the medium

    ONLY A SITH DEALS IN ABSOLUTES

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  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    i dont really look for 'deep' criticism on games im thinking of playing - all i want is a quick overview and a look at the features and whatnot

    but for games ive enjoyed or find interesting even if i havent played them, i have been known to read more in-depth criticism, provided the writing isnt typical internet shit. i will usually close it as soon as i see a meme reference, for example

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited March 2010
    Macera wrote: »
    Keith wrote: »
    i depend on me trying a game out to see if I like it

    there are tons of games that get great scores that I just can't stand

    Yeah, I can't get into stuff like God of War and Prototype

    I actually could get into Prototype, which is weird because I usually don't like sandbox games

    And even weirder because apparently everyone hates Prototype

    Stuff like Mass Effect and Fallout and Elder Scrolls bore the shit out of me

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    game journalism in actuality isn't tangible yet but they're getting there

    game design criticism? stop doing objectives in the traditional sense

    rainbow six's older incarnations were wonderful because there was mission planning beforehand that rested on your knowledge of the surroundings and improvising when intel wasn't there

    give somebody's brain credit, sometimes the invisible hand of design is a sacred cow you shouldn't always adhere to

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    Prototype was alright. The premise was cool, but the controls were waaaaaaaay too loose for me.

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I do look at metacritic scores for that wisdom of the crowds kind of reading, but the real question is how the game works, as in what the mechanics are and whether I find them interesting.

    Tycho does that about as well as anyone else I've yet seen. R.U.S.E. does act kinda like a board game in some ways and I never would have picked up on that reason for why I enjoyed it until he pointed it out. He's also the reason I check the Greed Corp page like every other fucking day to see when it's coming to PC.

    I don't know why I like the mechanics I do, but the one thing that will get me to buy a game without playing it is an in-depth review of how the game functions that appeals to me.

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  • MittenMitten Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    insomnia.ac is hilariously bad in a lot of ways and I don't even know where to start.

    edit: actually, I guess Alex "icycalm" Kierkegaard's 6,000 word deposition on why some game journalist is a slut, or whatever, beginning with a quote from Friedrich Nietzsche, would be a good place to start. It is unfortunately literally too long to quote.
    icycalm wrote:
    JimmyJames wrote:
    Why not supplement your sexist Schopenhauer posting with some racist or anti-Semitic tracts? It would be just as (in)appropriate and there's plenty of material -- most renowned Western philosophers fell prey to the prevailing (bigoted) opinions of their day concerning race and gender
    Yes, Schopenhauer is inappropriate, but random modern philosophasters wouldn't be. For your information, it is the anti-racists and the anti-sexists who are the bigots: there is no more racist person than the anti-racist, and no more sexist than the anti-sexist. Example: all the so-called "anti-sexists" who have been linking to this article and lambasting me for taking on a girl with the same ruthlessness I would have taken on a man. I MEAN DO THESE BITCHES WANT EQUALITY OR NOT? THIS IS EQUALITY -- SUCK IT UP.
    icycalm wrote:
    sadinotna wrote:
    Quick question, how are you defining "woman"? The stuff at the end of the article made it sound like some sort of Evopsych biotruths nonsense, but this sounds more like gender role.
    Whoever presumes to type "Evopsych biotruths nonsense" in this forum, and especially in response to comments in one of my articles, does not deserve to have posting privileges here. Goodbye to you too.
    icycalm wrote:
    Can homosexuality be the technology of "attracting and securing a powerful man?"
    For what purpose? So that the two males can sodomize themselves out of the human species? That is where homosexuality leads to: a dead end, oblivion, annihilation for the entire species.

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  • Dr.FunkensteinDr.Funkenstein Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I often listen to what people talk about around here, and check gamerankings.com when I absolutely want to know something about a certain game...
    Someone recommended zeno clash recently, and I tried the (pretty short) demo
    I liked it somewhat.. But wasn't too thrilled by the way multiple enemies are handled
    Is it me?
    Also, how long is the full game?

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  • DrIanMalcolmDrIanMalcolm Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    ok so

    I'm totally being a huge goddamn nerd lately. I've spent the past week or so writing an essay on Heavy Rain (as you know if you even passingly know me, I've spent every available moment talking or thinking about it).

    Recently I've been talking with Clint Hocking, a very smart guy with a very pulpy name, about the state of game criticism. He's pointed me to a few blogs that have borne interesting fruit. He's convinced me to start a blog of my own. (God, I hate that word.)

    But what do you guys think about game criticsm? Are reviews enough for you? Do you just look at Metacritic scores? Or are you interested at all in a deeper appreciation of how games do what they do? If you are, where do you read? Where do you go for your information?

    Question marks?

    I think game criticism is good to have as it gives different viewpoints that I, as a consumer, might not have thought about. Reviews can be enough for me, but it depends on the game. I never look at Metacritic and I'm always interested in reading how games do what they do (gamasutra is great for this and kotaku gets lucky sometimes).

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    i mean, most games where i smoke motherfuckers with guns aren't anywhere near as smart as they'd like to think they are

    the design of levels seems to fall into this tightly wound machine of set pieces and corridors of dudes

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  • MaceraMacera UGH GODDAMMIT STOP ENJOYING THINGSRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Keith wrote: »
    Macera wrote: »
    Keith wrote: »
    i depend on me trying a game out to see if I like it

    there are tons of games that get great scores that I just can't stand

    Yeah, I can't get into stuff like God of War and Prototype

    I actually could get into Prototype, which is weird because I usually don't like sandbox games

    And even weirder because apparently everyone hates Prototype

    Stuff like Mass Effect and Fallout and Elder Scrolls bore the shit out of me

    It was the whole "You're a crazed madman who brutally slays anything he comes across" that really turned me off to them

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Keith wrote: »
    Macera wrote: »
    Keith wrote: »
    i depend on me trying a game out to see if I like it

    there are tons of games that get great scores that I just can't stand

    Yeah, I can't get into stuff like God of War and Prototype

    I actually could get into Prototype, which is weird because I usually don't like sandbox games

    And even weirder because apparently everyone hates Prototype

    Stuff like Mass Effect and Fallout and Elder Scrolls bore the shit out of me
    Yeah.. I usually get bored by sandbox games (Only played a mission or so in GTA4 / SA before getting bored, luckily it was on a friends ps2.. 3?), but prototype was damn fun

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    A lot of games are about moving from checkpoint to checkpoint to kill a set number of enemies...and they still manage to be fun.

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Yahtzee is probably the worst place for purchasing advice.

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  • Dr.FunkensteinDr.Funkenstein Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Lets all find and murder Tim Rogers

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I often listen to what people talk about around here, and check gamerankings.com when I absolutely want to know something about a certain game...
    Someone recommended zeno clash recently, and I tried the (pretty short) demo
    I liked it somewhat.. But wasn't too thrilled by the way multiple enemies are handled
    Is it me?
    Also, how long is the full game?

    i think it's better than most attempts to do lock on the first person (i fucking hated breakdown)

    it's more of the muscle reflex to simply turn and quickly identify the enemy without locking on that screws with me but after the game's tutorial you fight three people at once so they try to drill the basics into with some relatively easy enemies

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    I often listen to what people talk about around here, and check gamerankings.com when I absolutely want to know something about a certain game...
    Someone recommended zeno clash recently, and I tried the (pretty short) demo
    I liked it somewhat.. But wasn't too thrilled by the way multiple enemies are handled
    Is it me?
    Also, how long is the full game?

    i think it's better than most attempts to do lock on the first person (i fucking hated breakdown)

    it's more of the muscle reflex to simply turn and quickly identify the enemy without locking on that screws with me but after the game's tutorial you fight three people at once so they try to drill the basics into with some relatively easy enemies

    Hm.. It doesn't have any multiplayer, right? How long is the campaign?

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