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Wii and Gamecube progressive scan
Mugenmidget
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I read this comment in a Joystiq article linked in the "Save 100 Dollars off a PS3" topic:
Basically this comment infers that you don't have to hold a button to enable progressive scan in support Gamecube games. This seems fishy to me, because not only did the author of this comment get the buttons wrong (it's usually just
but he failed to address the games that just prompt you without holding a button.
For those of you that own Wii component cables and have played Gamecube games in 480p, can you give me the details on how it works? Do you still have to hold a button at boot up for the games that require it? Does the progressive scan prompt ever occur? Or do the games just work now without any interaction from the user (which I guess could be possible considering how Gamecube's component cables worked)?
All insight on this matter is appreciated, so feel free to relay your experiences. I'd also like to hear how Gamecube games look in 480p on the Wii compared to 480p on their native system.
Wii does not run Gamecube games at 480p. When you put a gamecube game in a Wii, the Wii turns into a gamecube. If the game can do 480p it will, if it can't it won't. But this time, you don't have to hold Z and B durring start up to enable it to go to pro-scan.
Basically this comment infers that you don't have to hold a button to enable progressive scan in support Gamecube games. This seems fishy to me, because not only did the author of this comment get the buttons wrong (it's usually just
but he failed to address the games that just prompt you without holding a button.For those of you that own Wii component cables and have played Gamecube games in 480p, can you give me the details on how it works? Do you still have to hold a button at boot up for the games that require it? Does the progressive scan prompt ever occur? Or do the games just work now without any interaction from the user (which I guess could be possible considering how Gamecube's component cables worked)?
All insight on this matter is appreciated, so feel free to relay your experiences. I'd also like to hear how Gamecube games look in 480p on the Wii compared to 480p on their native system.
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It's B, and you don't need to push it if you have your wii set to 480p, all GC games with progressive scan auto bring up the "Enable Prog. scan Y N" screen ons tart, without holding a button.
Very nice.
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edit: And no it doesn't run GC games that couldn't do Prog scan in prog scan, because it ceases to be a wii when you play a GC game.
It's just a GC once you start a gc game.
I don't get it.
I'm pretty sure you can just hold it down the entire time.
But I'm impatient and it's a 10 second long menu so I always end up pushing the button a few times.... effectively getting the menu and declining it in one swift motion!
But thanks a bunch for the information, while holding a button is certainly no big deal (in every case but Fire Emblem I guess), it's one less inconvenience to have to deal with.
The PS2's way was 10x more retarded. They made you hold triangle and X on most games. Clarification: They made you hold 2 analog buttons when you turned the system on. Fucking up the center calibration. Sure your game looks pretty, but now you're wondering if your controller is busted because the X button isn't working.
In fact... I think it just may be Square-Enix who does it. Still doesn't explain the stupidity of it though.
every game i thought I put in the GC had a prompt asking if I want to enable it....
No, the promt does exactly what it says it does. Once you have enabled the prompt, you will get it until you hook up your cube without the digital out port. The original comment on joystiq was misinfirmed.
ive never held any buttons down because I always get a dialog asking me if i want to enable it or not when i boot up a game
Maybe some of the older games you have to hold B. Check the back of the packaging of your games. They should all say whether or not they are progressive scan capable.
Every progressive game on my Gamecube going back as far as Pikmin automatically prompts me for progressive out. Once you enable the prompt (by holding B for one progressive game) a setting is saved in the GC firmware. This setting gets cleared out only if you hook your GC up analog only.
all of my games (except killer 7 and skies of arcadia apparently) are prog scan
ill just have to check to make sure there is a dialog coming up for every game but those 2
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It was an awful decision not to include progressive scan support in FFXII.
My GC was a launch GC, so perhaps that has something to do with it?
PS2 probably couldn't muster up the fill rate to run in progressive scan for that game.
holy crap.
sunshine is...progrssive....i am buying that today. (i played the first few levels and loved it. but my gamecube is in minnesota.)
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But when I got my Wii, I plugged in and set it up with component cables in 480p on an HDTV. Later, I put in Metroid Prime for the first time. As soon as I did that, it asked me up front if I wanted to run it in Progressive Scan, without having to hold any buttons or do anything. Of course, I said Yes, and it worked beautifully. Haven't tried any other GCN games, though.
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I will say this, the Wind Waker problem I had is non-existant on my Wii.
wonder why it was doing that. WW looked bootiful on my GCN with ps.
that game is so pretty!
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No.. it still renders a 640x480 framebuffer, and the output DAC is a seperate component that's not affected by fill-rate. Why it doesn't support it is a puzzle to me (except that testing it in 480p and 480i would take a fucking long time).
The whole "render at 640x240 shifting 1/2 pixel each frame" was only used in 1st generation games that could maintain a rock-solid 60fps (because that simply doesn't work at 30fps).
what about wide screen? I'd imagine thats pretty much whats eating up the resources for ps.
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Ah, I did not know that.
The choice of progressive scan games is pretty bizarre, though. I mean, Guitar Hero? The game where you pretty much never stare at anything except for the little colored bumps scrolling down the screen? Yeah, progressive scan is so very important to that game. Okami, the most beautiful game out on the PS2? Eh, no progressive scan there.
Of course, the bad thing about an unofficial list is that there were also a lot of false additions. However, it's worth checking out games that don't list it as a feature because you might be pleasantly surprised.
Here's the first list I found on Google, I have no idea how complete it is. If anyone has a better list, please supply it so everyone can benefit from it:
http://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,275/p,14/
Yep, the game really benefits from it. I don't know about the progressive scan specifically, but the vibrant colors really pop with component on a good display. Especially that level with the cliff overlooking the ocean. It's beautiful.
At the time, I didn't have a decent TV. So, I bought three sets of component cables for the Gamecube. One as a gift for a friend, one for future use, and one to mod into a VGA cable. Most of my early Gamecube games were played on my PC monitor via the VGA cable, and they looked awesome.