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What is the name of this food, and know a good recipe for it?

MindLibMindLib Registered User regular
edited April 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
In the movie Once Upon a Time in Mexico Johnny Depp is obsessed with this certain type of slow-roasted pork. WTF was the name of it again? I want to try and make it. Would also appreciate advice/recipes from anyone who has made it before.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
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  • GrizzledGrizzled Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Edit: beaten

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  • MindLibMindLib Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Awesome. Much appreciated, but now I have to find a place that sells anato (sp?) seeds.

    *Edit: Holy shit, is that the director of the movie?

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  • 28682868 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Also called Cochinita Pibil. (Actually, it's called this more than Puerco Pibil.)

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  • 28682868 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Also the seeds are called Achiote.

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  • .. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2010
    For Achiote paste, which works well in that dish, try mexgrocer.com

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Also bulkfoods.com

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited April 2010
    Huh. I wanted to make this forever after seeing that youtube clip, but I couldn't find those fucking seeds ANYWHERE. I tried making something like it with a few substitutions, and it was the worst thing ever.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Yeah, I have the opposite problem - tons of those seeds around but no other recipes to use them up (though the pibil is fucking delicious every time i make it).

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  • 28682868 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Achiote is great for many things. Red Mole, Cabrito, chicken achiote. With cilantro and lime it makes a great fajita marinade. Also put in rice.

    The seeds are awesome but you can buy pre-made pastes.

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  • travathiantravathian Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I like that guy's suggestion about how to learn to cook. Seems pretty simple and straight forward. Probably a good recommendation to make in future "I want to learn how to cook" threads.

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    2868 wrote: »
    Also the seeds are called Achiote.

    Achiote is just one of so many names, I particularly know it as Bija, here are some examples in Spanish language according to wikipedia:

    • Abujo Col.3
    • Acanguarica Méx.4
    • Achihuiti Perú5
    • Achi-ol Méx.4
    • Achiote Col.3 , C. R.6 , E. S.6 , Guat.6 , Hond.6 , Méx.4 , Nic.6 , Pan.6 , Perú5 , Urug.7 , 8
    • Achiote amarillo Col.3
    • Achiote de cholo Col.3
    • Achiote de monte Col.3 , Nic.6
    • Achiote pepa roja Col.3
    • Achiote rojo Col.3
    • Achiote verde Col.3
    • Achiotillo Col.3 , Méx.4 , Nic.6
    • Achiotl Méx.4
    • Achitillo Col.3
    • Achote Col.3 , C. R.9 , Ec., Méx.4 , Nic.6 , Pan.6 , Perú5 , 8
    • Achote amarillo Col.3 , Perú5
    • Achote colorado Col.3
    • Achote de monte Col.3 , Nic.
    • Achote desmonte Col.3
    • Achotillo C. R. 9
    • Achut Méx.4
    • Amarillo Col.3
    • Anate Perú5 , 8
    • Anatto Arg.10 , C. R. 9 , Pan.6
    • Anoto Col.3
    • Apijiri Perú5
    • Apisiri Perú5
    • Atase Perú5
    • Auaú Méx.4
    • Axiote
    • Azafrán de la tierra Uruguay
    • Bia Méx.4
    • Bicha
    • Bija
    • Bijo
    • Bijol
    • Biza Col.3
    • Blanco Perú5
    • Bosh Méx.4
    • Cacicuto 8
    • Chancuarica Méx.4
    • Color Col.3
    • Colorado Perú5
    • Cuajachote E. S.13
    • Huantura Perú5
    • Ipak Perú5
    • Ipiácu Perú5
    • Kachapo Perú5
    • Kuro grie Pan.6
    • Masce Perú5
    • Maxe pototsi Perú
    • Onote
    • Onoto
    • Orellana
    • Ornato Méx.4
    • Pamuca Méx.4
    • Potsote Perú5
    • Puchote Perú5
    • Puchoti Perú5
    • Rocú 8
    • Roncón
    • Roucou Arg.10
    • Rucu Arg.14
    • Sacha achote Perú5
    • Shambre Perú5
    • Shambu Perú5
    • Shambu huayo Perú5
    • Shambu quiru Perú5
    • Shambu shambu Perú5
    • Uchuviá Méx.4
    • Uruca Méx.4
    • Urucú Argentina
    • Ururú
    • Vija
    • Yetsep Perú
    • Yrucú Arg.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Just so people know Robert Rodriguez has another cooking video on how to make "breakfast tacos," (egg + potato / egg + onion & peppers), including how to make your own flour tortillas. Not only are they goddamn addictive, once you get the hang of making your own tortillas it's a damn useful skill to have.

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Yep. I now make better chicken and dumplings than my mother ever thought of making. The dumplings are basically flower tortillas, rather than the biscuits most people use. The tortillas have a better consistency and can be easily separated for dumpling size.

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  • BEAST!BEAST! Adventurer Adventure!!!!!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    i've wanted to make this for awhile but never had an oven (stupid new york)...now i have an oven but it's gas....damn i wonder how much 4 hours of gas would run me.......

    i've never cooked anything in a slow cooker without liquid, it seems possible but i'm wondering how it would turn out compared to in an oven...hmmmmmm

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    There's a good amount of liquid in it - probably wouldn't hurt to throw in some broth to top it off if you want.

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  • travathiantravathian Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    BEAST! wrote: »
    i've wanted to make this for awhile but never had an oven (stupid new york)...now i have an oven but it's gas....damn i wonder how much 4 hours of gas would run me.......

    Uh, the gas doesn't run constantly, it cycles on and off in order to keep the temperature consistent within the oven. Or if you have an older style oven, then running it at 350F is a pretty low temp and it won't need to use very much to get it and keep it at that temp. So either 4 hours worth of a little gas or 6-10 hours worth of electricity to run a slow cooker.

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  • BEAST!BEAST! Adventurer Adventure!!!!!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    travathian wrote: »
    BEAST! wrote: »
    i've wanted to make this for awhile but never had an oven (stupid new york)...now i have an oven but it's gas....damn i wonder how much 4 hours of gas would run me.......

    Uh, the gas doesn't run constantly, it cycles on and off in order to keep the temperature consistent within the oven. Or if you have an older style oven, then running it at 350F is a pretty low temp and it won't need to use very much to get it and keep it at that temp. So either 4 hours worth of a little gas or 6-10 hours worth of electricity to run a slow cooker.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/null/null/pcmcat160300050011.c?id=pcmcat160300050011

    according to this, a gas oven at 350 for 4 hours would use roughly 28 cents whereas a crockpot for 7 hours would be 6 cents.....both pretty negligible charges but clearly a fairly large difference

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    BEAST! wrote: »
    travathian wrote: »
    BEAST! wrote: »
    i've wanted to make this for awhile but never had an oven (stupid new york)...now i have an oven but it's gas....damn i wonder how much 4 hours of gas would run me.......

    Uh, the gas doesn't run constantly, it cycles on and off in order to keep the temperature consistent within the oven. Or if you have an older style oven, then running it at 350F is a pretty low temp and it won't need to use very much to get it and keep it at that temp. So either 4 hours worth of a little gas or 6-10 hours worth of electricity to run a slow cooker.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/null/null/pcmcat160300050011.c?id=pcmcat160300050011

    according to this, a gas oven at 350 for 4 hours would use roughly 28 cents whereas a crockpot for 7 hours would be 6 cents.....both pretty negligible charges but clearly a fairly large difference

    electricity is cheaper, though.

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  • MindLibMindLib Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm having a lot of trouble finding achiote seeds. Does anyone know if stores like to call it annato or achiote? Does anyone know if Hannaford or Pricechopper stores sell them?

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    MindLib wrote: »
    I'm having a lot of trouble finding achiote seeds. Does anyone know if stores like to call it annato or achiote? Does anyone know if Hannaford or Pricechopper stores sell them?

    See the list I pasted above, I normally find this product at the market as a dust sealed in a bag.

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  • MindLibMindLib Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Fantasma wrote: »
    MindLib wrote: »
    I'm having a lot of trouble finding achiote seeds. Does anyone know if stores like to call it annato or achiote? Does anyone know if Hannaford or Pricechopper stores sell them?

    See the list I pasted above, I normally find this product at the market as a dust sealed in a bag.

    And it could be any one of those names? 0.o

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  • MindLibMindLib Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Ok, I just got finished calling - count em - 4 different price choppers.

    The first 3 I was linked with people whose competence was called into question when I had to spell 'annatto' for them about 3-5 times. The last guy I talked to was cool and knew exactly what I was talking about. Apparently it is in a little box in the Mexican area of the store, probably close to the ground, so the lazy stupid fatties making 10 bucks an hour don't want to really check.

    I asked him if the item was standard and he said; "Oh yeah, every store should carry this in the Mexican aisle, this is a smaller store too, so the bigger ones should definitely have it". *RAGE* I fucking knew it! The unemployment rate is fucking 10% right?!? Can't you find people with half a brain cell to answer customer calls?

    Anyway, for those who care; price chopper sells it in the Mexican aisle as 'annatto'.

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  • BEAST!BEAST! Adventurer Adventure!!!!!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    BEAST! wrote: »
    travathian wrote: »
    BEAST! wrote: »
    i've wanted to make this for awhile but never had an oven (stupid new york)...now i have an oven but it's gas....damn i wonder how much 4 hours of gas would run me.......

    Uh, the gas doesn't run constantly, it cycles on and off in order to keep the temperature consistent within the oven. Or if you have an older style oven, then running it at 350F is a pretty low temp and it won't need to use very much to get it and keep it at that temp. So either 4 hours worth of a little gas or 6-10 hours worth of electricity to run a slow cooker.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/null/null/pcmcat160300050011.c?id=pcmcat160300050011

    according to this, a gas oven at 350 for 4 hours would use roughly 28 cents whereas a crockpot for 7 hours would be 6 cents.....both pretty negligible charges but clearly a fairly large difference

    electricity is cheaper, though.
    what......how is this relevant in the slightest?

    as for the original poster, congrats on finding them, you're correct that they should be at any store with a mexican aisle

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  • MindLibMindLib Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Going to get ingredients now, think I'll post pics of the cooking process in about 8 hours or so?

    *Edit: Shit! The guy on the phone failed to mention that the packets of spice also contain coriander. Should I go with it?

    *Edit2: I've decided to go with a substitute combination of turmeric and paprika (fuck), I'll have to order the seeds for another time. I've also read that this recipe is improved with the crock-pot, so I'll be using that on low for about 6 hours.

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  • 28682868 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I assume you are talking about the Goya seasonings when you talk about coriander being added. That's fine.

    And nothing works like achiote's stain everything red flavor. It won't taste right with substitutions.

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  • MindLibMindLib Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    2868 wrote: »
    I assume you are talking about the Goya seasonings when you talk about coriander being added. That's fine.

    And nothing works like achiote's stain everything red flavor. It won't taste right with substitutions.

    Well, I fail. Next time then, at least I'm getting some practice, and the real thing will taste that much better. I also found the recipe for cochinita(sp?) pibil which seems to be essentially the same recipe but including onions and tomatoes that I'm also gonna try.

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  • inlemurinlemur Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    So, after stumbling onto this thread, I decided to make this last weekend. Thought I'd chime in on some of the issues mentioned.

    Annatto seeds: I found these (whole seeds) at the first Mexican market I went to, which I had found via google. It turned out it was barely even a market, more like a convenience store. There were 2 fridges, one with drinks and one with basic produce, then a few stands with snacks, and a rack of spices. They had all the other spices I needed as well. I also live in a not-very-Mexican part of America. So basically, if a convenience store in practically-Canada has these, they should not be hard to find at all if you make the effort to find a Mexican market.

    The only ingredient I didn't get was the banana leaves; I could've gotten these from an Asian market, but they didn't seem that important. I will definitely go for them next time I make the puerco.

    The pork came out a little dry when I made the recipe. This was strange, because the pan that I baked it in had not dried out and was still full of the spice/juice sauce. I'm not 100% sure that I had the right cut of pork; I went to a Mexican butcher and they spoke basically no English, so describing "pork butt" was a little difficult. Maybe the banana leaves would've made a difference, I don't know. Next time, I intend to get the leaves, and also marinate the pork in the sauce overnight.

    Other than the dryness, the pork was quite tasty. I had it with plain rice; next time I might make tacos with it. It also made my whole apartment building smell pretty much awesome.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    If I'm slow cooking a pork butt I almost always do an overnight brine. The only time I don't is if I'm cooking it in the crock pot with enough stewing liquid to most submerge the meat. I prefer fattier selections with the bone-in; you can always skim off rendered fat, but too lean a selection may result in drying out.

    The pork "butt" (or boston butt) is the upper part of the pork shoulder (front leg), the lower part is the "picnic." Either would work well.

    Another cut of pork you might use in puerco pibil would be "country style ribs" which is also often used in carnitas. This allows you to cook a smaller portion then what might be available if you try to source a pork butt.

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  • DsmartDsmart Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I literally made this 2 days ago.

    It is FUCKING DELICIOUS.

    A couple notes--it is basically essential that you powderize the achiote seeds with a coffee grinder--you will never get the required consitency with a mortar and pestle. 2 - or -3 Habaneros /w seeds and 5 LIMES (not lemons, limes are more authentic to the local cuisine) The banana leaves are border-line essential in my opinion, wrap the cubed pork in it nicely and it really helps brown the outsides and sweeten the meat a little bit--its almost a smoky taste. You can find banana leaves FROZEN in most grocery stores in the ethnic foods part of the freezer aisle.

    (serve with white rice and fried plantains and you are done)

    if you can make congri, that is even better

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