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sega hate?
Ketherial
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i was just looking through the "sega sues..." thread and i was surprised at how much negativity there was toward sega. i must admit i found it to be incredibly strange considering so many of my favorite recent games are made by sega.
1) dreamcast was fucking awesome. i dont care what anyone says, that system was dope, especially for fighting game fans.
2) some of the best games on the oxbox were made by sega: jet set radio future, panzer dragoon orta, outrun 2, otogi 1 & 2 (gunvalkyrie for some - i hated it).
3) sega continues to make awesome games: yakuza, virtua fighter 5, shining force exa (not out yet, but it looks fucking incredible), phantasy star universe, guilty gear (if you count sega-sammy), shining (tears) wind, etc.
4) in japan, sega makes the best arcade games: afterburner climax, sangokushi taisen, virtua striker, virtua tennis (power smash?), quest of d, avalon's key, house of the dead, virtua cop, etc.
personally, sega may be my favorite company. ever. moreso than even snk and capcom, especially the recent snk and capcom.
so anyway, i don't get it man. the only complaint i really hear is "they fucked up sonic". i haven't played it so i wouldn't know, but that's definitely legitimate. other than that though, why would anyone dislike them? i just dont understand the sega hate. where does it come from? personally, i think i like the new sega more than the old one.
1) dreamcast was fucking awesome. i dont care what anyone says, that system was dope, especially for fighting game fans.
2) some of the best games on the oxbox were made by sega: jet set radio future, panzer dragoon orta, outrun 2, otogi 1 & 2 (gunvalkyrie for some - i hated it).
3) sega continues to make awesome games: yakuza, virtua fighter 5, shining force exa (not out yet, but it looks fucking incredible), phantasy star universe, guilty gear (if you count sega-sammy), shining (tears) wind, etc.
4) in japan, sega makes the best arcade games: afterburner climax, sangokushi taisen, virtua striker, virtua tennis (power smash?), quest of d, avalon's key, house of the dead, virtua cop, etc.
personally, sega may be my favorite company. ever. moreso than even snk and capcom, especially the recent snk and capcom.
so anyway, i don't get it man. the only complaint i really hear is "they fucked up sonic". i haven't played it so i wouldn't know, but that's definitely legitimate. other than that though, why would anyone dislike them? i just dont understand the sega hate. where does it come from? personally, i think i like the new sega more than the old one.
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we still love ya sonic.. you'll get your former glory back one of these days.
PSN: super_emu
Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
And then went on to rape my childhood.
Although I liked sonic adventure 1 and 2.
Except for that fat fuck fishing feline.
Edit: Pfft...
I can elaborate, but bleh.
how could it be overrated? it failed. unless you mean it deserved a worse fate than failure on the market, i'm not sure i'm following you.
oh. i like it but i liked pso too. are you saying it's worse than pso or do you just not like pso either?
"Sonic and fun over years"
what?
Overrated as in everyone on PA acts like it's the best shit since sliced bread.
well.. if ya like 2d fighting games, it is the best thing since sliced bread.
PSN: super_emu
Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
Sega makes lots of really fun games on all sorts of platforms. After such a huge setback with the Saturn & Dreamcast, they've recovered nicely as a 3rd party developer.
They're (in my opinion) as consequential as say Namco, Konami, or Capcom. More so if they created more of their "big" games. (i.e. Shenmue 3, Phantasy Star V, Shining Force IV, Daytona 3, or some other mythical white whale of a franchise).
EDIT: Here and here alone, really. Outside of Dreamcast-specific forums at least.
The Dreamcast was really the anti-Saturn. Clean, efficient, easy to code for, easy to port to, very powerful. But with Sony's PS1 heft, all they had to say was "wait 'till you see the PS2!!!!" and tons of people gave the Dreamcast a pass just on that alone.
well, im guessing that really explains it.
i always felt sonic was a stupid franchise but i guess he's always been the image of sega for most.
See, I don't get this mentality considering that there are 12 fighting games on my shelf for ps2 that suggest otherwise.
I loved me some PSO but it felt like they tried to force Universe into being part MMORPG with setting up user owned shops and grinding like hell just to level up each class.
me neither
capcom vs snk 2
guilty gear reloaded
guilty gear isuka
king of fighter games (2 of em)
Street fighter Anniversary
street fighter alpha anthology
melty blood
that's just the 2d fighters...
tekken 4, 5
virtual fighter 4
soul calibur 2/3
But yeah...much much more!
*edit*
Mortal kombat...dbz games...naruto fighting games...etc.
are they all games that came out first for dc then later came out as a "collection" for the ps2? im guessing that most people dont consider all the pc ports that the oxbox received as "real" games on that system.
your point is reasonable (in that dc is no longer the retro system of choice for 2d fighters), but it doesnt take history into context, which i think most would argue, is unfair.
Sonic Rush & Sonic and the Secret Rings give me hope. Fast platforming action, and little else = small glimmer of Sonic hope.
Of course, with the title "Sonic the Hedgehog" for the next gen games, it's pretty clear that if Secret Rings is good, then it's going to be the swan song as the franchise continues its descent into over-sidekicked irrelevance.
I love Genesis.
I practically worship the Saturn and Sega CD.
But I don't like what they've become. :? Ever since they stopped being a console producer, the quality of their games has gone way down.
Sega games just aren't as good on other systems as they are on theirs, and I think that's a big contributing factor.
Maybe they know this too, so maybe that isn't why they aren't trying like they used to.
Doesn't change the fact that Panzer Dragoon Orta and JSRF are still awesome, but since then, I haven't seen anything special.
Yakuza's interesting, but Shenmue it isn't.
Well, if you're going by those standards, I guess the snes beats em all.
not for fighting games it doesnt, and that's what i think we were talking about. im not trying to be a prick or anything, im just saying that i think that's why most people on this forum love the dc.
If you were to compare the libraries, the snes has a more expansive and within their own respective context, a more appealing library of 2d Fighters.
In the same way that the DC, back in the day, had a more appealing library of 2d fighters.
And in the same way that the ps2, today, has a more appealing library of 2d fighters.
Thus the ps2 makes the DC obsolete in the same way the DC made the snes obsolete.
I don't understand how we can be "fair" about ports. Fact of the matter is, the dc had a nice run but quickly took a back seat in regards to what many would characterize as its strengths.
i liked yakuza more than shenmue but maybe that's just me. the story was actually compelling and the fighting i thought was much better, especially with the weapon and environment specific finishing moves. i also loved how well they captured kabukicho, but i guess that's something only someone who has been there can appreciate.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, Sega's heyday is well in the past. They are almost entirely unimportant nowadays, and I could care less about them. I don't have any emotion either way. They aren't important enough to hate.
I think there's one awesome game from at least everything on the DC.
RPG? Grandia 2.
Shmup? Bangai-O.
Music? Space Channel 5.
Survival horror? Illbleed.
3d fighter? Project Justice.
2d? Last Blade 2.
Puzzle? Chu Chu Rocket.
Platforming? Sonic Adventure(s).
It might be more compelling if you're looking for the dark gangland stuff, but I'm a sucker for love stories. :P
PSN: super_emu
Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
While some of those games are great and others exclusive, I don't think there has been any console out there that doesn't have at least one great game that fits into those genre.
Yeah, if you like sailors.
im sorry if im beating a dead horse here, but i just can't agree with what you are saying. what 2d fighters did snes have?
the dc had almost arcade perfect ports of so many major fighting game franchises that it's almost impossible to name one that isnt on there.
the majority of 2d fighting games on the ps2 were already on the dc first, in perfect condition. there was no reason to buy the ps2 version if you had the dc version. there was every reason to buy the dc versions of fighting games (or whatever), even if you had an snes because the snes versions generally sucked.
snes -> dc was a big leap and totally non-substituitable (e.g. you can't substitute the snes for the dc because the dc was a significant leap).
dc -> ps2 changed almost nothing and almost every 2d fighting game you buy now on the ps2 could have been owned first in perfect condition on the dc.
As far as general Sega hate goes, I don't see a whole lot of it outside of recent Sonic outings, and most of it is deserved.
i will admit that the bolded part is sadly true.
the only thing my dc ever does anymore is play vo:ot.
The Dreamcast was the Nick Drake of video game consoles.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Haven't finished Ecco: Defender of the Future yet either...
...guilty gear?
...Mellllty blood?
The revisions made+expansions in capcom vs snk 2 EO?
...the king of fighters series? There's tons of new ones on ps2.
capcom fighting evolution?
Alpha anthology has one game from it that was on the DC.
Street fighter anthology...
In regards to the SNES to DC to PS2, fighting games since the playstation/n64 era haven't changed all that much to begin with because at this point in the game it's minor graphical changes. Gameplay doesn't change all that much, but the games that do change gameplay (ie guilty gear, melty blood) are all ps2 anyway.
So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. You can have fun on the DC, and I'll watch mine collect dust under my ps2.