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Pirate or just a good Shoparrrrr?

Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
edited April 2010 in Games and Technology
So on Sunday I decided I needed a few Rockband tracks and went to buy some points. I checked cheapassgamer to see if there were any deals running and saw a few folks mentioning buying points from ebay.

I hit ebay that night and found a few sellers doing 10000(!) points for less than $50. So - I decided to risk an ebay purchase and did a "Buy it Now" for $37.

Within 24 hours I had a (broken english) message with a username/email/password to retrieve in my system that contained 10000 points. Not to sound advertisey - but it seemed to work flawlessly and for less than I would have paid for 3200 points I got like 11 games, 20ish Rockband tracks and some Lips stuff for the wife. I am thinking about doing it again in a few weeks. They aren't registered to my profile - but they are on my console and it was quite fun spending that many points.

The issue at hand is that it felt shady - like somehow Microsoft is going to email me in a few days and say "We're revoking your copy of Greed Inc and those Lady Gaga tracks because you stole them." Does anyone know if deals like I did are legit before I do it again?

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    If they were able to be legitimately redeemed I don't see why Microsoft would have an issue with it, they've gotta have some sort of authentication process. Those points had to come from somewhere, uless there's some sort of Live hacking going on.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    so you paid 37 dollars for someone elses live info?

    thats what it sounds like

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  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    It's probably some kind of thing that goes on through the magic of currency exchange.

    Microsoft and their stupid microsoft fun money.

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  • Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Yeah, you've been given someone's account details. Chances are it's a hacked account someone has forgotten about. It's highly, highly suspect and yes Microsoft could come along and give you a bit of a kicking which is likely to happen if the original owner of the account complains.

    I've lost touch with the whole 360 hacking scene but I guess it could be possible to jtag a machine so it can run homebrew, create a gamer tag, edit it and put on a load of credit and then sell it on.

    Whichever, if it looks too good to be true, it likely is.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    What do you mean they aren't registered to your profile? Why not?

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  • DietarySupplementDietarySupplement Still not approved by the FDA Dublin, OHRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    so you paid 37 dollars for someone elses live info?

    thats what it sounds like

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  • -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Super super shady. Hacked, stolen, any number of things. What possessed you to even consider this could be legit?

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  • Jam WarriorJam Warrior Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Figgy wrote: »
    What do you mean they aren't registered to your profile? Why not?

    They will have been purchased with the tag he got sent by the EBay guy rather than his main tag. But seeing as Live purchases are simultanously linked to tag and machine at point of purchase, he's fine to play them with his main tag on that machine.

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  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Shiny. Real shiny.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Mr_Grinch wrote: »
    Whichever, if it looks too good to be true, it likely is.

    Number one rule of the internet.

    Number 2 being "Don't give out anything ever to anyone ever. Ever."

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  • Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    First of all, there are ton of these deals on ebay. Search for 10000 microsoft points and you'll see them. Second, it's not a stolen tag - it's a mix of letters/numbers with a matching hotmail address that appear to just be a dummy user setup for the sole purpose of selling points. I won't rule out hack or stolen points cards of course...

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  • ThrackThrack Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I've heard of instances like this where digital goods being sold for way under cost that the points/game/dlc/whatever was purchased with a stolen credit card. Not necessarily the case, still really shady.

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  • RericReric Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    It could also be a quick way to make money off stolen credit cards. Make a new account purchase 10000 points with a stolen card then sell the account before the actual card holder charges back the purchase with Microsoft. Not sure what Microsoft does when the purchase gets charged back.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Christ. Did this part of the auction not tip you off?
    NOTE: offer 7 days warranty.If the account is frozen within 7days,we will resend you a new account for you to use.Pls think about it before placing an order.It is not actual card,but only new account and password which include money inside the account.

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  • DavorDavor Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    You just participated in the trafficking of stolen property, good job.

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  • SnareSnare Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Looked far too good to be true, gotta be dodgy somehow otherwise more people would know about it and do it.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    .. and the fact that they offer a 7 day warranty in case the account gets locked.

    In other words, the account will get locked.

    ... because it isn't legit.

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  • DavorDavor Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    With 5 minutes of research it seems it's a phishing scam victim account or mock account using a stolen cc #, people reporting in that they've been console banned for doing it. So yeah, have fun.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Figgy wrote: »
    Christ. Did this part of the auction not tip you off?
    NOTE: offer 7 days warranty.If the account is frozen within 7days,we will resend you a new account for you to use.Pls think about it before placing an order.It is not actual card,but only new account and password which include money inside the account.

    WTF this really seals the deal. Heck, OP, how could you be such a silly goose????

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  • MrVyngaardMrVyngaard Live From New Etoile Straight Outta SosariaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    The issue at hand is that it felt shady - like somehow Microsoft is going to email me in a few days and say "We're revoking your copy of Greed Inc and those Lady Gaga tracks because you stole them." Does anyone know if deals like I did are legit before I do it again?

    I strongly suggest you not do it again. And hope that it doesn't come back to haunt you.

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  • JelloblimpJelloblimp Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Uhh, I read on xbox.com's forum regarding bans and such (they can be rally funny sometimes). One of the more serious ones are being involved with stolen credit-cards and accounts, those get a permanent ban on profiles on the console and the console itself.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Ah that makes sense. Steal a credit card, make an xbox live account, put a bunch of points on it with stolen card, then sell it on eBay.

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  • DietarySupplementDietarySupplement Still not approved by the FDA Dublin, OHRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Well, at this point... should he cop to it and see if they take a little mercy over this... "misunderstanding?" Or wait it out to see if anything gets done, risking the chance that his actual hardware gets banned.

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  • TheKoolEagleTheKoolEagle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    there would be no mercy from microsoft imo on this subject matter, since the deal looked so shady to start with they probably have pretty strict policy about such things

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  • UbuRoiAAUbuRoiAA Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Hey, wanna play a couple of Greed Corp. games before they ban your ass??

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Haha you thought this was ok?

    wut?

    "eBay. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. Well... except maybe Wikipedia. We must be cautious." -Some Jedi.

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  • Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Well - I'm going to go with the "Don't do it again, these sell on ebay all the time so likely I won't get banned for the one time" approach I guess. I won't call Microsoft to apologize unless something goes wrong - the points are already spent afterall.

    I've yet to play Greed Corp. I chose all my downloads last night and just left them running so I won't play anything until tonight. I ran the Maw this morning briefly just to make sure they would run under my profile (it did).

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  • YardGnomeYardGnome Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Anyone else find it funny that the bought Greed Corp with these points?

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Well - I'm going to go with the "Don't do it again, these sell on ebay all the time so likely I won't get banned for the one time" approach I guess. I won't call Microsoft to apologize unless something goes wrong - the points are already spent afterall.

    Yeah, don't bother showing remorse until you're punished for your actions. That's surely the ticket to leniency. o_O

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Drake wrote: »
    "eBay. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. Well... except maybe Wikipedia. We must be cautious." -Some Jedi.

    Aside from the fact that you shouldn't trust a Jedi in matters of, well, anything, yeah, it was probably not a good idea.

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  • Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Well - I'm going to go with the "Don't do it again, these sell on ebay all the time so likely I won't get banned for the one time" approach I guess. I won't call Microsoft to apologize unless something goes wrong - the points are already spent afterall.

    Yeah, don't bother showing remorse until you're punished for your actions. That's surely the ticket to leniency. o_O

    So you'd recommend calling their support line and saying "Hey - I just did this, is this legit?"

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  • DietarySupplementDietarySupplement Still not approved by the FDA Dublin, OHRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Well - I'm going to go with the "Don't do it again, these sell on ebay all the time so likely I won't get banned for the one time" approach I guess. I won't call Microsoft to apologize unless something goes wrong - the points are already spent afterall.

    Yeah, don't bother showing remorse until you're punished for your actions. That's surely the ticket to leniency. o_O

    So you'd recommend calling their support line and saying "Hey - I just did this, is this legit?"

    It would count for something, wouldn't it?

    Like, if you were young and you broke a neighbors window. If you man the fuck up and admit it, chances are you'll get off a lot easier and save some face, even if you have to pay for the window. Depending on how vindictive the homeowner is, obviously. I mean, we had a guy on our street that tried to run us all over in the street one time, and all we ever did was climb over his fence to get a ball that went in his yard.

    Maybe you get a temp ban instead of a full-on ban? Microsoft holds the cards here.

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  • SipexSipex Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    When you call do you have to give your account info? If you can call anonymously (including calling from a number not registered to your account) explain the situation first, not that I advocate hiding it but really, if you're screwed if you do and screwed if you don't then the best you can do is report the seller and stay anonymous. Make sure you understand the games are probably going to be taken away though. You'll have to sort things out with your credit card company after that.

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  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    In real life, confessing to a crime gets you the same punishment as if you'd kept your big fat mouth shut.

    Although if you felt really bad about it, I suppose you could donate the same amount of money to charity. I'm talking about the price of the 10k points, not the piddly 50 bucks you spent. Don't go easy on your checkbook when it comes to buying your way out of guilt.

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  • Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    You all make good points - maybe I'll call MS and just say "bought this on ebay, afterwards was telling a friend who thought it may be a stolen account and wanted to make sure I reported it just in case" That way if it is a stolen gametag they can start working on researching it.

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  • DietarySupplementDietarySupplement Still not approved by the FDA Dublin, OHRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    In real life, confessing to a crime gets you the same punishment as if you'd kept your big fat mouth shut.

    With the law? Yeah.

    With a corporation/parent/neighbor/girlfriend? You'd be surprised. There are actually good natured people left in the world who appreciate honesty.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    In real life, confessing to a crime gets you the same punishment as if you'd kept your big fat mouth shut.

    With the law? Yeah.

    With a corporation/parent/neighbor/girlfriend? You'd be surprised. There are actually good natured people left in the world who appreciate honesty.

    This. Especially if you call and play the card like you had no idea, but a friend told you to call and be safe.

    "Hi, I recently purchased some arcade points off of eBay, but a friend said it may have been a scam. Can you verify this for me?"

    Explain exactly how they were purchased, the account name, etc. They will likely remove the games from your account/console.

    I mean, I know you're probably not going to do that... be out your $40 and the games, but hey, that's probably your best option at this point. There are rumours that this can get your console banned from Live, but that seems a bit much to me.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I think fessing up is almost as unbelievably fucking silly goose as buying the scam in first place.
    I think the MS dude will laugh and ban him. Deservedly.

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Yeah. I wouldn't count on the sympathy of some customer service rep in some outsourced boiler room somewhere.

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  • Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Well, considering my last experience with Microsoft 360 support was definitely India maybe I'll just avoid the whole thing, delete the gamertag from my console when I get home and just call it a day. Given how many of these auctions there are I would think googling would have found more results than just a couple random threads on other message boards if they were widespread banning people over their use.

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  • fadingathedgesfadingathedges Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    In criminal law course today we were discussing something very similar to this. The instructor was talking about how some of his clients over the years have been taken to the police by their parents in a "Tell the police man what you did! Tell the truth!" fashion - and the parents were surprised and upset when the kids were taken to juvenile detention. His quote was "People should tell the truth. To their lawyers."

    Don't call MS.

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