It's actually a pretty decent question. IIRC, feminist groups got pissy when id Software put female character models in deathmatch for Quake II. I imagine somebody is going to try and so how this game is demeaning towards women because you can mutilate their bodies, completely ignoring how you mutilate men exactly the same way.
I may be behind on the status of political discussion on this sort of manners in the United States, but it sounds like anyone making that same objection in relation to Anya would have really, really flimsy argument.
Not even addressing the merit of it, it'd just be rather impossible to face a counterargument.
"You're not allowed to chainsaw women, it _______ ."
"...but you're allowed to chainsaw men in half?"
"...."
"Because we've been doing this for years. I mean, literally."
"....I'll get back to you on that."
I might be missing a crucial element here though. I mean, it's kind of odd when you think about it, but there isn't really a "ceiling" to how much violence you can have in an M-rated game. It's great and all, but while there are clear, if unspoken, ceilings for something like sex, no such thing exists for gore. Unless you tied it into sex.
Can you think of a better explanation as to why they would put all the humans in those chambers, rather than just killing them? Either they were trying to turn them in to Locus, or they were using them as some kind of living experiment.
Clearly they were liquifying captured humans in order to create a gigantic human locust.
I should probably get around to playing Gears one of these days. I have GOW2 on my shelf but I kind of feel like I should get GOW1 to play first.
As a guy, I totally think it's a double standard. As an intellectual (ha!) I can at least see the argument about how humanity has a history of mistreating women, who were typically in subservient, rather than competitive, roles. Guys have been killing guys in wars for ages. Violence against women, though, has almost always been a non-equal event. That concept is ingrained and isn't easiy to get rid of, hence why a lot of people are uncomfortable with violence (especially egregious ultra-violence like Gears of War) against women.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
As a guy, I totally think it's a double standard. As an intellectual (ha!) I can at least see the argument about how humanity has a history of mistreating women, who were typically in subservient, rather than competitive, roles. Guys have been killing guys in wars for ages. Violence against women, though, has almost always been a non-equal event. That concept is ingrained and isn't really hard to get rid of, hence why a lot of people are uncomfortable with violence (especially egregious ultra-violence like Gears of War) against women.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
Interestingly, nobody brought this up when it was known that female characters can get mauled in RE4, nor about female Spartans in Halo 3 multiplayer.
As a guy, I totally think it's a double standard. As an intellectual (ha!) I can at least see the argument about how humanity has a history of mistreating women, who were typically in subservient, rather than competitive, roles. Guys have been killing guys in wars for ages. Violence against women, though, has almost always been a non-equal event. That concept is ingrained and isn't really hard to get rid of, hence why a lot of people are uncomfortable with violence (especially egregious ultra-violence like Gears of War) against women.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
Interestingly, nobody brought this up when it was known that female characters can get mauled in RE4, nor about female Spartans in Halo 3 multiplayer.
Fair enough, but you can at least admit that neither of those are as graphic as a Gears chainsawing, right?
As a guy, I totally think it's a double standard. As an intellectual (ha!) I can at least see the argument about how humanity has a history of mistreating women, who were typically in subservient, rather than competitive, roles. Guys have been killing guys in wars for ages. Violence against women, though, has almost always been a non-equal event. That concept is ingrained and isn't really hard to get rid of, hence why a lot of people are uncomfortable with violence (especially egregious ultra-violence like Gears of War) against women.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
Interestingly, nobody brought this up when it was known that female characters can get mauled in RE4, nor about female Spartans in Halo 3 multiplayer.
Fair enough, but you can at least admit that neither of those are as graphic as a Gears chainsawing, right?
RE4 lets Ashley and Ada be decapitated, and Ada can have her face torn apart by the acid monster.
As a guy, I totally think it's a double standard. As an intellectual (ha!) I can at least see the argument about how humanity has a history of mistreating women, who were typically in subservient, rather than competitive, roles. Guys have been killing guys in wars for ages. Violence against women, though, has almost always been a non-equal event. That concept is ingrained and isn't easiy to get rid of, hence why a lot of people are uncomfortable with violence (especially egregious ultra-violence like Gears of War) against women.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
Obviously, the game doesn't exist in a vacuum, but that doesn't change the fact that the argument is very, very weak, in part because the same counter argument of equal treatment exists, and is valid in its own right.
There is gravity in tying it into a history of maltreatment of women, but you can also easily tie it to a history of barring women from the the warrior classes of society in specific societies (though not all of them).
As a guy, I totally think it's a double standard. As an intellectual (ha!) I can at least see the argument about how humanity has a history of mistreating women, who were typically in subservient, rather than competitive, roles. Guys have been killing guys in wars for ages. Violence against women, though, has almost always been a non-equal event. That concept is ingrained and isn't really hard to get rid of, hence why a lot of people are uncomfortable with violence (especially egregious ultra-violence like Gears of War) against women.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
Interestingly, nobody brought this up when it was known that female characters can get mauled in RE4, nor about female Spartans in Halo 3 multiplayer.
Fair enough, but you can at least admit that neither of those are as graphic as a Gears chainsawing, right?
RE4 lets Ashley and Ada be decapitated, and Ada can have her face torn apart by the acid monster.
Honestly, RE4 is a bad example. It's singleplayer. There's no person on the other end doing the decapitation or face melting.
I'd also argue that getting chainsawed in half is a bit more graphic than a simple decapitation. Also, you get some leeway when it's a inhuman monster doing the killing, rather than a human or near human like the locust drones.
As a guy, I totally think it's a double standard. As an intellectual (ha!) I can at least see the argument about how humanity has a history of mistreating women, who were typically in subservient, rather than competitive, roles. Guys have been killing guys in wars for ages. Violence against women, though, has almost always been a non-equal event. That concept is ingrained and isn't really hard to get rid of, hence why a lot of people are uncomfortable with violence (especially egregious ultra-violence like Gears of War) against women.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
Interestingly, nobody brought this up when it was known that female characters can get mauled in RE4, nor about female Spartans in Halo 3 multiplayer.
Fair enough, but you can at least admit that neither of those are as graphic as a Gears chainsawing, right?
You should see Sheva getting her head chainsawed off.
Edit: AND she's a minority, she has it DOUBLE over Anya so HA!
As a guy, I totally think it's a double standard. As an intellectual (ha!) I can at least see the argument about how humanity has a history of mistreating women, who were typically in subservient, rather than competitive, roles. Guys have been killing guys in wars for ages. Violence against women, though, has almost always been a non-equal event. That concept is ingrained and isn't really hard to get rid of, hence why a lot of people are uncomfortable with violence (especially egregious ultra-violence like Gears of War) against women.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
Interestingly, nobody brought this up when it was known that female characters can get mauled in RE4, nor about female Spartans in Halo 3 multiplayer.
Fair enough, but you can at least admit that neither of those are as graphic as a Gears chainsawing, right?
RE4 lets Ashley and Ada be decapitated, and Ada can have her face torn apart by the acid monster.
Honestly, RE4 is a bad example. It's singleplayer. There's no person on the other end doing the decapitation or face melting.
I'd also argue that getting chainsawed in half is a bit more graphic than a simple decapitation. Also, you get some leeway when it's a inhuman monster doing the killing, rather than a human or near human like the locust drones.
Well, if we're going to nitpick - I believe the chainsawing in Gears is a lot less graphic than RE4 because the screen is obscured by blood and blurring before you ever truly see yourself cut in half. I mean you just fucking explode!
Where RE4 shows the death in complete unobstructed detail.
Honestly I see no issue with letting her get chainsawed. Nobody cared about the female players in UT2K4 getting mauled, either.
As a guy, I totally think it's a double standard. As an intellectual (ha!) I can at least see the argument about how humanity has a history of mistreating women, who were typically in subservient, rather than competitive, roles. Guys have been killing guys in wars for ages. Violence against women, though, has almost always been a non-equal event. That concept is ingrained and isn't really hard to get rid of, hence why a lot of people are uncomfortable with violence (especially egregious ultra-violence like Gears of War) against women.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
Interestingly, nobody brought this up when it was known that female characters can get mauled in RE4, nor about female Spartans in Halo 3 multiplayer.
Fair enough, but you can at least admit that neither of those are as graphic as a Gears chainsawing, right?
You should see Sheva getting her head chainsawed off.
Edit: AND she's a minority, she has it DOUBLE over Anya so HA!
You're horrible, you know that?
Besides, this is America. And in storytelling, the black guy (or girl) dying horribly first isn't taboo. It's practically required. Even I know that.
You should see Sheva getting her head chainsawed off.
Edit: AND she's a minority, she has it DOUBLE over Anya so HA!
Well, again, there's a difference in a singleplayer game, where your goal is to avoid getting killed; and a multiplayer game, where your goal is to DO the killing. Often by shoving a chainsaw into their back and cutting upward.
I mean, on the most basic level, one you are punished for letting happen, and one you are rewarded.
But again, the dissonance between the views of doing the exact same thing to men and women is pretty stupid, IMO.
EDIT: I need to remember to use the quote function.
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As a guy, I totally think it's a double standard. As an intellectual (ha!) I can at least see the argument about how humanity has a history of mistreating women, who were typically in subservient, rather than competitive, roles. Guys have been killing guys in wars for ages. Violence against women, though, has almost always been a non-equal event. That concept is ingrained and isn't really hard to get rid of, hence why a lot of people are uncomfortable with violence (especially egregious ultra-violence like Gears of War) against women.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
Interestingly, nobody brought this up when it was known that female characters can get mauled in RE4, nor about female Spartans in Halo 3 multiplayer.
Fair enough, but you can at least admit that neither of those are as graphic as a Gears chainsawing, right?
You should see Sheva getting her head chainsawed off.
Edit: AND she's a minority, she has it DOUBLE over Anya so HA!
You're horrible, you know that?
Sheva, paving the way for violence against women and minorities with chainsaws since Resident Evil 5.
Oh Stephen you're such the white knight, what will we do without you!
If you're against women being chainsawed in half then you should be against men being chainsawed in half too. Gears was never particularly tasteful, the conclusion to the Maria story cemented that but at least now women can have a female avatar, that for me made me helped me to enjoy Fable 2 more than the original. Regarding the single player maybe Cliffy will surprise us and have Anya be a really interesting strong character with realistic proportions. I am not holding my breath of course, chances are she will need to be rescued by Marcus and be a corny love interest or some other cliche *vomits*.
That for me is a far bigger concern.
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Honestly the RE4 getting-your-head-chainsawed off actually makes me still feel queasy.
Gears is almost comical in the way that being chainsaw'd apparently sets off a stick of TNT that was glued to your chest.
What gets me about it is how he tries to grab the chainsaws blade and push it away. You know it's hopeless and it's just so horrible.
Yeah, but that's why it's there; to actually make you feel the fear and hopelessness of the situation. You have to sit there and watch Leon die, and there's nothing that you can do to stop it.
Also, if Gears 3 has Bernie Mataki, I may be able to forget about Lagosaurs' terrible reign over Gears online... Provided of course its reign doesn't continue in 3.
Oh Stephen you're such the white knight, what will we do without you!
If you're against women being chainsawed in half then you should be against men being chainsawed in half too. Gears was never particularly tasteful, the conclusion to the Maria story cemented that but at least now women can have a female avatar, that for me made me helped me to enjoy Fable 2 more than the original. Regarding the single player maybe Cliffy will surprise us and have Anya be a really interesting strong character with realistic proportions. I am not holding my breath of course, chances are she will need to be rescued by Marcus and be a corny love interest or some other cliche *vomits*.
That for me is a far bigger concern.
Realistic proportions went out the window with the first game, Marcus could crush his own skull in with his bare hands. Not to mention his shoulder muscles are bigger than his head.
Honestly the RE4 getting-your-head-chainsawed off actually makes me still feel queasy.
Gears is almost comical in the way that being chainsaw'd apparently sets off a stick of TNT that was glued to your chest.
What gets me about it is how he tries to grab the chainsaws blade and push it away. You know it's hopeless and it's just so horrible.
Yeah, but that's why it's there; to actually make you feel the fear and hopelessness of the situation. You have to sit there and watch Leon die, and there's nothing that you can do to stop it.
Also, if Gears 3 has Bernie Mataki, I may be able to forget about Lagosaurs' terrible reign over Gears online... Provided of course its reign doesn't continue in 3.
Gears of War usually amuses me, because what happens is people are lining up behind the guy killing you to chainsaw him like some kind of homoerotic chainsaw based conga line.
I remember my first Gears of War match, I chainsawed the other team after the instagibbed mine, all 4 of em! I was a sneaky sis all right. Then we lost horribly.
Gears of War usually amuses me, because what happens is people are lining up behind the guy killing you to chainsaw him like some kind of homoerotic chainsaw based conga line.
Oh Stephen you're such the white knight, what will we do without you!
If you're against women being chainsawed in half then you should be against men being chainsawed in half too. Gears was never particularly tasteful, the conclusion to the Maria story cemented that but at least now women can have a female avatar, that for me made me helped me to enjoy Fable 2 more than the original. Regarding the single player maybe Cliffy will surprise us and have Anya be a really interesting strong character with realistic proportions. I am not holding my breath of course, chances are she will need to be rescued by Marcus and be a corny love interest or some other cliche *vomits*.
That for me is a far bigger concern.
Realistic proportions went out the window with the first game, Marcus could crush his own skull in with his bare hands. Not to mention his shoulder muscles are bigger than his head.
True and that's fine as it's part of the Gears aesthetic as silly as it may be but just as long as Anya is suitably buff too. She has definitely bulked up a fair bit since the first game, I hope we get to see some better screenshots soon.
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That's remarkably accurate.
But honestly, are they trying to troll the internet with that or are they just fundamentally stupid?
I may be behind on the status of political discussion on this sort of manners in the United States, but it sounds like anyone making that same objection in relation to Anya would have really, really flimsy argument.
Not even addressing the merit of it, it'd just be rather impossible to face a counterargument.
"You're not allowed to chainsaw women, it _______ ."
"...but you're allowed to chainsaw men in half?"
"...."
"Because we've been doing this for years. I mean, literally."
"....I'll get back to you on that."
I might be missing a crucial element here though. I mean, it's kind of odd when you think about it, but there isn't really a "ceiling" to how much violence you can have in an M-rated game. It's great and all, but while there are clear, if unspoken, ceilings for something like sex, no such thing exists for gore. Unless you tied it into sex.
So clearly everyone should play as Anya so you don't get chainsawed by people that have no problem cutting men in half.
I want to see all of the Carmines available. All FOUR of them
I want some hot Anya on Anya chainsaw action in MP myself.
All-Carmine run of campaign?
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Clearly they were liquifying captured humans in order to create a gigantic human locust.
I should probably get around to playing Gears one of these days. I have GOW2 on my shelf but I kind of feel like I should get GOW1 to play first.
But again, the guy in me still thinks it's a double standard, and the logical part of me points out that it's actually sexist to not allow the female characters to be torn to shreds like the guys are.
Interestingly, nobody brought this up when it was known that female characters can get mauled in RE4, nor about female Spartans in Halo 3 multiplayer.
Fair enough, but you can at least admit that neither of those are as graphic as a Gears chainsawing, right?
RE4 lets Ashley and Ada be decapitated, and Ada can have her face torn apart by the acid monster.
Obviously, the game doesn't exist in a vacuum, but that doesn't change the fact that the argument is very, very weak, in part because the same counter argument of equal treatment exists, and is valid in its own right.
There is gravity in tying it into a history of maltreatment of women, but you can also easily tie it to a history of barring women from the the warrior classes of society in specific societies (though not all of them).
I want to play as the Locust Queen
I want to play as the krill.
I'd also argue that getting chainsawed in half is a bit more graphic than a simple decapitation. Also, you get some leeway when it's a inhuman monster doing the killing, rather than a human or near human like the locust drones.
You should see Sheva getting her head chainsawed off.
Edit: AND she's a minority, she has it DOUBLE over Anya so HA!
Well, if we're going to nitpick - I believe the chainsawing in Gears is a lot less graphic than RE4 because the screen is obscured by blood and blurring before you ever truly see yourself cut in half. I mean you just fucking explode!
Where RE4 shows the death in complete unobstructed detail.
Honestly I see no issue with letting her get chainsawed. Nobody cared about the female players in UT2K4 getting mauled, either.
You're horrible, you know that?
Besides, this is America. And in storytelling, the black guy (or girl) dying horribly first isn't taboo. It's practically required. Even I know that.
Ameri-kuh!
Well, again, there's a difference in a singleplayer game, where your goal is to avoid getting killed; and a multiplayer game, where your goal is to DO the killing. Often by shoving a chainsaw into their back and cutting upward.
I mean, on the most basic level, one you are punished for letting happen, and one you are rewarded.
But again, the dissonance between the views of doing the exact same thing to men and women is pretty stupid, IMO.
EDIT: I need to remember to use the quote function.
Sheva, paving the way for violence against women and minorities with chainsaws since Resident Evil 5.
Gears is almost comical in the way that being chainsaw'd apparently sets off a stick of TNT that was glued to your chest.
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No, the bigger question is if it's not okay for a guy to chainsaw a woman, is it okay for a woman to chainsaw a woman?
What gets me about it is how he tries to grab the chainsaws blade and push it away. You know it's hopeless and it's just so horrible.
We should be able to get our friends over and double chainsaw Anya
Oh Stephen you're such the white knight, what will we do without you!
If you're against women being chainsawed in half then you should be against men being chainsawed in half too. Gears was never particularly tasteful, the conclusion to the Maria story cemented that but at least now women can have a female avatar, that for me made me helped me to enjoy Fable 2 more than the original. Regarding the single player maybe Cliffy will surprise us and have Anya be a really interesting strong character with realistic proportions. I am not holding my breath of course, chances are she will need to be rescued by Marcus and be a corny love interest or some other cliche *vomits*.
That for me is a far bigger concern.
Yeah, but that's why it's there; to actually make you feel the fear and hopelessness of the situation. You have to sit there and watch Leon die, and there's nothing that you can do to stop it.
Also, if Gears 3 has Bernie Mataki, I may be able to forget about Lagosaurs' terrible reign over Gears online... Provided of course its reign doesn't continue in 3.
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Realistic proportions went out the window with the first game, Marcus could crush his own skull in with his bare hands. Not to mention his shoulder muscles are bigger than his head.
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Gears of War usually amuses me, because what happens is people are lining up behind the guy killing you to chainsaw him like some kind of homoerotic chainsaw based conga line.
The Medusa was damn hot.
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Bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-AAAAAAAAAAGH!
True and that's fine as it's part of the Gears aesthetic as silly as it may be but just as long as Anya is suitably buff too.
Almost everything in Gears is tongue and cheek.
I'S A GIANT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORM
IT'S A GIANT WORM