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Camping trip: Need gear advice

AtomBombAtomBomb Registered User regular
edited April 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
So I'm going to be going on a 3 or 4 day backpacking/camping trip at the end of the month and I need to get a backpack. I was looking at this on REI's website:

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It's $110. I looked at a local place and that seems like a great deal in comparison. Since I don't know much about this can someone let me know if this is a good choice or not? Also, any other general advice would be appreciated. I've already got a sleeping bag and a tent. The sleeping bag isn't super modern, so you can't compress it down to the size of an egg (more like a watermelon). The tent is fairly small.

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  • VisionOfClarityVisionOfClarity Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Try on any bag before you buy it. you'll want to make sure you're comfortable in it.

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  • DanMachDanMach Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I have worn that one before around REI. I thought it was a good pack, but I'm not exactly a weight weenie. It would certainly fill the need of a usable backpack for backpacking/camping. 4000CI is a decent size, should be good for 2/3 days out in the wilderness, unless you are splitting gears among backpacks.

    I'd buy it, its a great price for a great backpack.

    Good luck! Have fun :)

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  • AtomBombAtomBomb Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    They have this one that is 5500CI for $130. Maybe a better choice? It'll be more like 3/4 days, and it's just me. I'm not terribly concerned about weight either.

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  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    If at all possible, could you make a trip out to an REI (it would be worth it), or find a brick and mortar store nearby where you could try the pack on with some stuff in it? I say this because everyone's body is so different and one pack does not fit all. A good pack can make or break a trip.

    Also, in relation to other gear, know your area. What kind of conditions are you likely to encounter? Wet/dry?

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    If you really want to test a pack, you've got to put it on with some weight in it. Most packs feel completely different when you've got 30-50 lbs in gear in them.

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  • AtomBombAtomBomb Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm going to Mt. Lemmon. Weather should be really mild and dry. The nearest REI is about 100 miles away, so I'm going to have to make my best guess without trying it on. The local place was pretty much 2x REI in cost. I'm going to try one other place tomorrow, so maybe I'll get lucky and I can try some of these on. I figure if I hate it I can Craigslist it. I do realize that trying it on in person is a very good idea, I just didn't plan ahead enough.

    Thanks for all the replies so far.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    If you're going to be dropping any significant amount of money at REI make sure you buy into the co-op. It's totally worth it.

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  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Try to find the pack you want by trying it on with it weighed down, and then order it online for as cheap as you can find it.

    And did I read it right that it's just you going on this trip?

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  • AtomBombAtomBomb Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Yeah, it's just me.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    AtomBomb wrote: »
    Yeah, it's just me.

    That you need advice on how to buy a pack, and that you're planning on a 3-4+ day solo camping trip on a mountain...

    Uh...

    Alarm bells are going off here dude. Serious, major alarm bells.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Robman wrote: »
    AtomBomb wrote: »
    Yeah, it's just me.

    That you need advice on how to buy a pack, and that you're planning on a 3-4+ day solo camping trip on a mountain...

    Uh...

    Alarm bells are going off here dude. Serious, major alarm bells.

    Weather can change for the worst very quickly, and if you're heading backcountry its very easy to get disorientated and hopelessly lost. Do you have a GPS? Experience orienteering?

    Going backcountry for 3-4 days is not a great idea for an inexperienced hiker.

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  • AtomBombAtomBomb Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm not going to go that far. Hike in a little ways and find a spot to camp. Also,the weather in Southern AZ is very predictable this time of year. There's a creek I plan on following, so getting lost shouldn't be much of an issue. I'll be bringing a gps just in case, but I don't think I'll need it.

    I understand there's risk involved, but I'm taking steps to minimize it. I appreciate the concern though.

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  • Protein ShakesProtein Shakes __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2010
    Did you guys read the wiki article he linked for the place he's going?

    It's in Tucson, Arizona.

    Somehow I don't think he'll run into any major storms, or even rain.

    I agree that a GPS is a pretty good idea though, as well as a full-charged cellphone.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    AtomBomb wrote: »
    I'm not going to go that far. Hike in a little ways and find a spot to camp. Also,the weather in Southern AZ is very predictable this time of year. There's a creek I plan on following, so getting lost shouldn't be much of an issue. I'll be bringing a gps just in case, but I don't think I'll need it.

    I understand there's risk involved, but I'm taking steps to minimize it. I appreciate the concern though.

    Do you have cell coverage across the area you're going into? If not, do you have a sat phone?

    Because something as simple as a twisted ankle can and will kill you if you don't know how to deal with it.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
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  • GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    It's in Tucson, Arizona.

    Somehow I don't think he'll run into any major storms, or even rain.
    I don't think you know what you're talking about. Desert =/= no snow. I am sitting in Moab, Utah right now enjoying 70 degree weather in town and at 10000 feet there is a monster snowpack. Looking at Mt. Lemmon Ski Valley it says there is 30-40 inches on snow. It's on it's way out but the OP will probably be miserable without snowshoes or skis in that amount of snow.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Gafoto wrote: »
    It's in Tucson, Arizona.

    Somehow I don't think he'll run into any major storms, or even rain.
    I don't think you know what you're talking about. Desert =/= no snow. I am sitting in Moab, Utah right now enjoying 70 degree weather in town and at 10000 feet there is a monster snowpack. Looking at Mt. Lemmon Ski Valley it says there is 30-40 inches on snow. It's on it's way out but the OP will probably be miserable without snowshoes or skis in that amount of snow.

    It's not just about the snow. The desert gets fucking cold at night. It's an environment of absolute extremes.

    If the OP is such a green hiker that they need advice on how to buy a good pack, they're waaay too green for a multi-day solo hike on a mountain in the desert.

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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Robman is right, you don't want to underestimate being out of touch and especially solo.

    If you don't have the experience to back this up you really need to buddy up or something at least.

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Going on a solo camping trip isn't a death sentence guys, Jesus. A satellite phone? Do you have any idea what those cost?

    As long as you pay attention and know the risks, you will more than likely have a great time. Yes, the wilderness can be extremely dangerous, and when you have no one to rely on other than yourself even the most minor injuries (like a twisted ankle) can be life threatening. But you shouldn't let anyone scare you into not going. More than likely the worst thing that will happen is you'll have a cold, miserable night and head back early.

    You're (presumably) an adult, so as long as you take reasonable steps to be prepared for a variety of situations, odds are you're not going to die alone in the wilderness.

    As far as mountains go, the one you are wanting to walk around on seems pretty decent. It's got a highway and a town on the top.

    I'm not trying to say that there is no risk or danger involved in your first camping trip being a multi-day on a mountain, but staying at home where it's warm and comfortable for your entire life is about as lame as it gets.

    Whatever you buy, the first thing you need to do is test all of your gear over a few nights in your backyard. If something breaks/cracks/leaks/doesn't work there, it's not a big deal. If something breaks/cracks/leaks/doesn't work when you're twenty miles from the highway and it's ninety degrees (or thirty degrees) out, it's a completely different story.

    And you might not be too concerned with weight right now, but half way through a day long hike, you're going to feel every ounce, no matter how strong you are. You've got plenty of time before the end of the month, so load the pack up with everything you plan on bringing and take a few walks around your neighborhood. If you're sore after a few hours on flat asphalt with your current pack weight, you're going to be destroyed after a day on a mountain on rocks and sand.

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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    A buddy doesn't cost money (I hope!) and makes things pretty fun anyways.

    This is based on the presumption that he hasn't really done these kinds of trips before.

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    A buddy might not have the gear they need, or the amount of time off of school or work.

    A partner would definitely make the trip considerably safer, and arguably more fun, but sometimes a dude just wants to wander around on his own.

    Nice thing about someone coming with you is you can split the non-personal weight (tent, cooking gear, first aid equipment, etc) though. This would be nice considering that Bomb here is likely going to have to carry a significant amount of weight in water alone.

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  • AtomBombAtomBomb Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Thanks for all the advice. I'm a resourceful, reasonable adult so I think I will be fine. I'm actually having my wife drop me off at the town on top (Summerhaven) and heading out from there. I think I'm going to make it a slightly shorter trip (Sunday morning, Monday, leave Tuesday night). If I want to extend it I'll hike to town and ask my wife to come another day to pick me up. I don't really have anyone to go with this time, and I'd kind of like to wander around alone for a bit as stated.

    I've gone camping with friends with random shit (things like bookbags instead of backpacks, blankets instead of sleeping bags), I'm just trying to get some proper gear this time. Plus, I'll be sober, so that makes it much safer right there :)

    As for weather, this it today, and it's just getting warmer:
    Today: Sunny, with a high near 51. South wind around 11 mph.
    Tonight: Mostly clear, with a low around 36. West southwest wind 6 to 10 mph becoming south southeast.

    That 30" to 40" of snow is wishful thinking on their part (or not updating the website). I wish there was somewhere that close to Tucson with snow in May.

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  • AtomBombAtomBomb Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    mts wrote: »

    Of course by the time I have a chance to look at it they're offering a women's shoe.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Wow, man. Having no idea how to equip for a hike, randomly throwing stuff together and then going on your first backcountry trip over a span of several days, alone? This is the textbook example of a bad idea. This is the sort of thing that we read about on CNN when a random hiker got lost and the state had to spend $200,000 to airlift them out of some bad situation they got themselves into. This is also one of the things people bemoan about all our new gadgetry. People completely underestimate the experience and planning needed to safely enjoy backpacking.

    I really recommend you plan this as a car-camping trip. You spend two days doing day hikes, feel free to pack up all your gear and take it on each day hike as though you're pretending you're backpacking. Then feel free to do an overnight from your car, to your site, back to your car. Feel free to do that twice. Seriously, ease into this and be a responsible, conscious outdoorsman.

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  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Depending on your location and elevation, expect temperatures to get near or below freezing at night. If you haven't slept in those conditions outdoors, you will find them...uncomfortable at best. I recommend buying a nice sleeping back that goes below what temperatures you will encounter. Sleeping bag temp ratings are incredibly optimistic. I also can't stress enough to have a sleeping pad. You need something to keep you insulated from the ground as it will probably be uncomfortable as hell, and will suck the heat right out of you.

    Make sure you have a really good first aid kit, lots of water, more food than you think you will need, multitool or knife, and 3 different ways of starting a fire. The art of making a fire is something a lot of people over look.

    Above all, make sure you let your wife know where you plan to be each day, and what time you expect to be picked up.

    You're freaking me out because you don't seem like you have much experience with the outdoors, and you're taking on a significant endeavor. Be mindful of rattlesnakes, mountain lions, and possibly black bears. Practice good backcountry etiquette.

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  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    I really recommend you plan this as a car-camping trip. You spend two days doing day hikes, feel free to pack up all your gear and take it on each day hike as though you're pretending your backpacking. Then feel free to do an overnight from your car, to your site, back to your car. Feel free to do that twice. Seriously, ease into this and be a responsible, conscious outdoorsman.


    This is the way to go.

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