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Seriously Ham, you should try sprinting, it's great.
Huh? Why do I need cardio?
...Are you callin' me fat, buddy?! :P
But on a much more dire note: I'm losing weight. :x
You know, you could be losing fat. I mean, your goal is to put on muscle, not fat. As long as your lifts are going up you don't have to obsess over the scale.
Also, raising your right foot could be a symptom of your shoes not being flat. Try slipping them off next time.
My shoes are flat, but I wear orthotics, because I have a leg length difference. I'm still unsure whether that is safe or not.
Hrm.
That is a good question.
That IS a good question
Were you given the orthotics under the assumption that they would be for daily use, including physical activity? Now, I'm no doctor/physio but lifting weights properly isn't wildly different than many other forms of physical activity.
If they were given to you for wearing during your daily grind but with instructions to remove them for athletic endeavors, take them out while you're lifting. If they were given to you knowing that you would be using them during highly intense physical activity, keep them in.
Also, raising your right foot could be a symptom of your shoes not being flat. Try slipping them off next time.
My shoes are flat, but I wear orthotics, because I have a leg length difference. I'm still unsure whether that is safe or not.
Hrm.
That is a good question.
That IS a good question
Were you given the orthotics under the assumption that they would be for daily use, including physical activity? Now, I'm no doctor/physio but lifting weights properly isn't wildly different than many other forms of physical activity.
If they were given to you for wearing during your daily grind but with instructions to remove them for athletic endeavors, take them out while you're lifting. If they were given to you knowing that you would be using them during highly intense physical activity, keep them in.
Well the doctor who gave me the orthotics is also a runner. And he has a partner who wears them and she runs, in fact they were designed because of problems she had while running.
Good looking out, DL. I am helping with an apt move all this weekend, but we might be done in time for the music/fireworks.
re: cardio, has anybody ever messed around with one of those hand bike things? I heard they can smoke you pretty good. I like KBs for cardio, which is not to say that I like cardio at all.
i don't know if i'm gonna go yet, i think i'm gonna be hitting up lonestar jam the day before
but if i do i will definitely let ya know ahead of time
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Then my suggestion to you is to wear them while lifting. Your mileage may vary of course and the ideal situation would be to seek advice from the doctor who gave them to you. If you put them in shoes fit for lifting I doubt you'll have any issues with them. I know/knew many runners from college who lifted with inserts/orthotics.
Also, raising your right foot could be a symptom of your shoes not being flat. Try slipping them off next time.
My shoes are flat, but I wear orthotics, because I have a leg length difference. I'm still unsure whether that is safe or not.
Hrm.
That is a good question.
That IS a good question
Were you given the orthotics under the assumption that they would be for daily use, including physical activity? Now, I'm no doctor/physio but lifting weights properly isn't wildly different than many other forms of physical activity.
If they were given to you for wearing during your daily grind but with instructions to remove them for athletic endeavors, take them out while you're lifting. If they were given to you knowing that you would be using them during highly intense physical activity, keep them in.
Well the doctor who gave me the orthotics is also a runner. And he has a partner who wears them and she runs, in fact they were designed because of problems she had while running.
Looks like Rip isn't a fan of the way orthotics change your ankle position for lifting. The ideal thing to do is get proper weightlifing shoes, then get a shoe shop to shim the shoe up.
That's a bit of an investment but would probably work best, for now i'd go with whatever is most comfortable and safe feeling. Also yeah, heed what a doctor says
Seriously Ham, you should try sprinting, it's great.
Huh? Why do I need cardio?
...Are you callin' me fat, buddy?! :P
But on a much more dire note: I'm losing weight. :x
You know, you could be losing fat. I mean, your goal is to put on muscle, not fat. As long as your lifts are going up you don't have to obsess over the scale.
Weight must go up.
This is what I've been taught. This is all I know.
Also: fuck man, I think I'll take the advice someone gave me and quit doing deadlifts at 3x5. My grip just utterly fails me, even with an alternated grip. I'm either going to switch to 1x5 or finally get some straps. Which would you dudes suggest? My DL's at around 245 atm.
Stick with it Ham. Get some straps if you like, but also maybe think about throwing some KB or thick bar work in there to strengthen your grip/improve your grip endurance. Even chins and DB farmer walks would be pretty good if things like KBs and axles are rare in your area. You can definitely continue to progress working with standard barbells though, just stick with it. It's a long process.
As your DL form continues to evolve, you'll probably start breaking the bar off the ground faster and faster too, which translates to less time that your grip will need to last.
Personally, the best investment I've made re: lifting was buying $8 straps for deadlifts.
Also, I thought you were only supposed to do 1x5 DLs at working weight for SS?
I'm not really doing straight SS. I'm pretty much just following Tube's Mk. II (bench + accessories on Monday, DL + accessories on Wednesday, squat + accessories on Friday) but with squats thrown in on Mondays. I am doing it in the SS style insofar as everything is 3x5, though.
3x5 isn't what makes the program, the linear progression, order of exercises, 3x5 and deload strategy is what makes it work the way it does. Linear progression being the most important part.
Personally, I would not worry about accessory exercises, grip etc, until you are DL'ing about 2X BW. Before that, you just need to deadlift (with good form, that's the #1 thing). You can get away with multiple sets of 5 if it isn't too heavy, but 3 sets of 5 across will limit you pretty quick compared to 1 set of 5 (assuming your goal is increasing strength as displayed by 1-5 rep maxes).
3x5 isn't what makes the program, the linear progression, order of exercises, 3x5 and deload strategy is what makes it work the way it does. Linear progression being the most important part.
Personally, I would not worry about accessory exercises, grip etc, until you are DL'ing about 2X BW. Before that, you just need to deadlift (with good form, that's the #1 thing). You can get away with multiple sets of 5 if it isn't too heavy, but 3 sets of 5 across will limit you pretty quick compared to 1 set of 5 (assuming your goal is increasing strength as displayed by 1-5 rep maxes).
Well, I'm also doing all those other things (possibly with the exception of deloading -- what do you mean here, exactly?). I think I will just wind up doing 1x5 DLs next time. I've found they're extremely taxing (or I would be squatting 3 days a week) and frankly, fuck up the arm-heavy accessory exercises that're supposed to follow them. By the time I get to my last exercise, barbell curls, my forearms just cry like little bitches when I try to pick up even an EZ-curl bar. I know I can curl 100 lbs, but not with my forearms in that condition. :?
Deloading is a period where your volume drops significantly for a period of time, say 7-10 days, so that your body can recover completely from the strain from the previous cycle before starting a new cycle.
Deloading is a period where your volume drops significantly for a period of time, say 7-10 days, so that your body can recover completely from the strain from the previous cycle before starting a new cycle.
No, I know what deloading is. I just haven't heard of it being part of SS -- I assumed SS was straight linear gains until they stop coming, and then you mix it up with a more intermediate-oriented program.
But then, I never have cracked my SS open to the programming chapter...
And in the context of SS, you do it when you miss reps at a certain weight two workouts in a row, and you drop 10 to 15% off the bar and start the linear progression again from there.
And in the context of SS, you do it when you miss reps at a certain weight two workouts in a row, and you drop 10 to 15% off the bar and start the linear progression again from there.
Oh, I thought Rip called that a reset. The whole 'three strikes, you're out' deal.
EDIT: Oh, just two workouts? Then I guess two strikes.
couldn't get the squat form right even with just the bar and asking some random dude to give me some pointers, kept favoring my right side and unbalancing myself. I think my stance wasn't wide enough?
To make matters worse, I dropped weights today benching and I don't want to talk about it.
Maybe I should stick to being a little gay boy for the rest of my life.
couldn't get the squat form right even with just the bar and asking some random dude to give me some pointers, kept favoring my right side and unbalancing myself. I think my stance wasn't wide enough?
To make matters worse, I dropped weights today benching and I don't want to talk about it.
Maybe I should stick to being a little gay boy for the rest of my life.
OR you could go back on Friday and try again.
I dropped on my ass THREE times in front of a full mainstream gym. Big deal, stand up and do it again
I just wish I could afford a trainer/teacher or had someone with me to spot and help me along. I want to do this, but I want to do it right and not hurt myself/waste time
couldn't get the squat form right even with just the bar and asking some random dude to give me some pointers, kept favoring my right side and unbalancing myself. I think my stance wasn't wide enough?
To make matters worse, I dropped weights today benching and I don't want to talk about it.
Maybe I should stick to being a little gay boy for the rest of my life.
uh oh, sounds like somebody needs some inspiring words of wisdom
ham, you must be getting pretty anxious with all the "wait until you squat/bench/press/DL X amount of weight" comments.
This IS a game of patience.
Are you using chalk?
I would recommend using chalk first before straps, grip is something that increases very rapidly and you shouldn't worry about it too much right now
reset = deload
Honestly, I've given up looking forward to cutting for the time being. I think a better goal someone mentioned (was it you?) was to go on a cut once my linear gains have stopped. Obviously, that won't be for awhile, so the carrot has been moved waaaay down the road. :P
couldn't get the squat form right even with just the bar and asking some random dude to give me some pointers, kept favoring my right side and unbalancing myself. I think my stance wasn't wide enough?
To make matters worse, I dropped weights today benching and I don't want to talk about it.
Maybe I should stick to being a little gay boy for the rest of my life.
OR you could go back on Friday and try again.
I dropped on my ass THREE times in front of a full mainstream gym. Big deal, stand up and do it again
Yeah bro, suck it up and keep going back, I'm having to learn to do that myself. Also, the gym rats you see doing hundred pound curls are usually really nice guys who are just happy to seem knowledgeable on a topic so if you're having trouble, or if you fall or whatever, just laugh it off and ask them if they've got any tips. You'll make friends and learn stuff. Plus, everyone had to start somewhere, don't get discouraged.
couldn't get the squat form right even with just the bar and asking some random dude to give me some pointers, kept favoring my right side and unbalancing myself. I think my stance wasn't wide enough?
To make matters worse, I dropped weights today benching and I don't want to talk about it.
Maybe I should stick to being a little gay boy for the rest of my life.
uh oh, sounds like somebody needs some inspiring words of wisdom
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Ahahahaha.
I will now yell "Ain't nuttin' but a peanut!" right before I perform any lift.
couldn't get the squat form right even with just the bar and asking some random dude to give me some pointers, kept favoring my right side and unbalancing myself. I think my stance wasn't wide enough?
To make matters worse, I dropped weights today benching and I don't want to talk about it.
Maybe I should stick to being a little gay boy for the rest of my life.
OR you could go back on Friday and try again.
I dropped on my ass THREE times in front of a full mainstream gym. Big deal, stand up and do it again
Yeah bro, suck it up and keep going back, I'm having to learn to do that myself. Also, the gym rats you see doing hundred pound curls are usually really nice guys who are just happy to seem knowledgeable on a topic so if you're having trouble, or if you fall or whatever, just laugh it off and ask them if they've got any tips. You'll make friends and learn stuff. Plus, everyone had to start somewhere, don't get discouraged.
i remember the first time i failed on bench, someone came over and helped me rack the weight and said "don't worry, it's happened to all of us"
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Also, raising your right foot could be a symptom of your shoes not being flat. Try slipping them off next time.
Hrm.
That is a good question.
bench
pullups
and then some leg extensions and hamstring curls to help with my knee and not strain it
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That IS a good question
You know, you could be losing fat. I mean, your goal is to put on muscle, not fat. As long as your lifts are going up you don't have to obsess over the scale.
Were you given the orthotics under the assumption that they would be for daily use, including physical activity? Now, I'm no doctor/physio but lifting weights properly isn't wildly different than many other forms of physical activity.
If they were given to you for wearing during your daily grind but with instructions to remove them for athletic endeavors, take them out while you're lifting. If they were given to you knowing that you would be using them during highly intense physical activity, keep them in.
Well the doctor who gave me the orthotics is also a runner. And he has a partner who wears them and she runs, in fact they were designed because of problems she had while running.
i don't know if i'm gonna go yet, i think i'm gonna be hitting up lonestar jam the day before
but if i do i will definitely let ya know ahead of time
Lets see what the Coach has to say:
http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=7563&highlight=length+difference
Looks like Rip isn't a fan of the way orthotics change your ankle position for lifting. The ideal thing to do is get proper weightlifing shoes, then get a shoe shop to shim the shoe up.
That's a bit of an investment but would probably work best, for now i'd go with whatever is most comfortable and safe feeling. Also yeah, heed what a doctor says
PSN: Robo_Wizard1
Weight must go up.
This is what I've been taught. This is all I know.
Also: fuck man, I think I'll take the advice someone gave me and quit doing deadlifts at 3x5. My grip just utterly fails me, even with an alternated grip. I'm either going to switch to 1x5 or finally get some straps. Which would you dudes suggest? My DL's at around 245 atm.
Also, I thought you were only supposed to do 1x5 DLs at working weight for SS?
As your DL form continues to evolve, you'll probably start breaking the bar off the ground faster and faster too, which translates to less time that your grip will need to last.
I'm not really doing straight SS. I'm pretty much just following Tube's Mk. II (bench + accessories on Monday, DL + accessories on Wednesday, squat + accessories on Friday) but with squats thrown in on Mondays. I am doing it in the SS style insofar as everything is 3x5, though.
Personally, I would not worry about accessory exercises, grip etc, until you are DL'ing about 2X BW. Before that, you just need to deadlift (with good form, that's the #1 thing). You can get away with multiple sets of 5 if it isn't too heavy, but 3 sets of 5 across will limit you pretty quick compared to 1 set of 5 (assuming your goal is increasing strength as displayed by 1-5 rep maxes).
Well, I'm also doing all those other things (possibly with the exception of deloading -- what do you mean here, exactly?). I think I will just wind up doing 1x5 DLs next time. I've found they're extremely taxing (or I would be squatting 3 days a week) and frankly, fuck up the arm-heavy accessory exercises that're supposed to follow them. By the time I get to my last exercise, barbell curls, my forearms just cry like little bitches when I try to pick up even an EZ-curl bar. I know I can curl 100 lbs, but not with my forearms in that condition. :?
No, I know what deloading is. I just haven't heard of it being part of SS -- I assumed SS was straight linear gains until they stop coming, and then you mix it up with a more intermediate-oriented program.
But then, I never have cracked my SS open to the programming chapter...
Oh, I thought Rip called that a reset. The whole 'three strikes, you're out' deal.
EDIT: Oh, just two workouts? Then I guess two strikes.
ham, you must be getting pretty anxious with all the "wait until you squat/bench/press/DL X amount of weight" comments.
This IS a game of patience.
Are you using chalk?
I would recommend using chalk first before straps, grip is something that increases very rapidly and you shouldn't worry about it too much right now
reset = deload
couldn't get the squat form right even with just the bar and asking some random dude to give me some pointers, kept favoring my right side and unbalancing myself. I think my stance wasn't wide enough?
To make matters worse, I dropped weights today benching and I don't want to talk about it.
Maybe I should stick to being a little gay boy for the rest of my life.
OR you could go back on Friday and try again.
I dropped on my ass THREE times in front of a full mainstream gym. Big deal, stand up and do it again
I just wish I could afford a trainer/teacher or had someone with me to spot and help me along. I want to do this, but I want to do it right and not hurt myself/waste time
uh oh, sounds like somebody needs some inspiring words of wisdom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO45iY7hilI&feature=related
PSN: Robo_Wizard1
Honestly, I've given up looking forward to cutting for the time being. I think a better goal someone mentioned (was it you?) was to go on a cut once my linear gains have stopped. Obviously, that won't be for awhile, so the carrot has been moved waaaay down the road. :P
And I'll look into the chalk.
Yeah bro, suck it up and keep going back, I'm having to learn to do that myself. Also, the gym rats you see doing hundred pound curls are usually really nice guys who are just happy to seem knowledgeable on a topic so if you're having trouble, or if you fall or whatever, just laugh it off and ask them if they've got any tips. You'll make friends and learn stuff. Plus, everyone had to start somewhere, don't get discouraged.
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Ahahahaha.
I will now yell "Ain't nuttin' but a peanut!" right before I perform any lift.
i remember the first time i failed on bench, someone came over and helped me rack the weight and said "don't worry, it's happened to all of us"
it made me feel a lot better
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Ronnie's the best.
We still putting together that list of people and locations for the OP? If so I'm in NW Philly, I'd love someone to lift with.
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That was light...